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Amendment Keeps Taxpayers from Funding Mandatory HPV Vaccines
CitizenLink.com ^ | 7-19-2007

Posted on 07/22/2007 11:12:08 AM PDT by monomaniac

Amendment Keeps Taxpayers from Funding Mandatory HPV Vaccines

The U.S. House passed an amendment Wednesday that will keep the government from funding mandatory vaccination against the human papillomavirus (HPV).

Republican Reps. Phil Gingrey of Georgia and Jim Jordan of Ohio introduced the amendment following efforts across the country to require young girls to receive the vaccine to attend school.

Merck & Co.’s Gardasil vaccine protects against the four most common strains of HPV, a sexually transmitted infection. Focus on the Family Action supports widespread availability of the vaccine, but holds that parents should make the decision of whether their daughters are vaccinated.

Linda Klepacki, sexual health analyst for Focus Action, said: “We applaud the passing of this amendment preserving parental choice.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: gardasil; hpv; hpvvaccine; merck; prolife; taxes; vaccines

1 posted on 07/22/2007 11:12:10 AM PDT by monomaniac
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To: monomaniac

My feelings are mixed on this. It is a Cancer vaccine. Vaccinations are required for numerous conditions already. I guess I should just duck at this point...


2 posted on 07/22/2007 11:29:44 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: monomaniac
Why would anyone want to NOT be vaccinated against cancer? Since all medicine is given to us my the highest use it!
3 posted on 07/22/2007 12:01:19 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: kinoxi
Vaccinations are required for numerous conditions already.

Cancer isn't likely to spread from one to another sitting in a classroom. You want it, no one is stopping you from getting it. You want to impose it on me or mine, bring your armies. Blackbird.

4 posted on 07/22/2007 12:06:24 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (I'm dug in, giving no more ground to the rino stampede. BB)
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To: kinoxi

While I believe in the ideal of parental choice, I am also pragmatic about the taxpayer cost of cancer treatments.

I say fight the disease and take the funding from the waste, fraud and abuse in all other areas of government (including welfare, politician’s salaries, and the military) and ESPECIALLY from pet projects like the UN.

Before you folks start getting your panties in a bind, welfare, politician’s salaries, and the military each need certain amounts of spending, but they don’t need wasteful excesses.


5 posted on 07/22/2007 12:08:02 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: BlackbirdSST

Your children wont have sex right? Good luck with that.


6 posted on 07/22/2007 12:09:07 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Triggerhippie

You don’t think it’s worth the cost. That’s understandable.


7 posted on 07/22/2007 12:14:11 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
It also prevents most genital warts that are not Herpes. It is not a cancer vaccine, actually--it is a vaccine for a sexually transmitted VIRUS. That means, once you have the virus, you can't get rid of it. You can get rid of syphillis and gonorhea with antibiotics. HPV is like AIDS, though not so deadly--you can't get rid of it, only treat it.

This virus is already very widespread in the adult population. The only hope of controlling the virus is to vaccinate the young before they become sexually active.

The "cancer" angle was a way to avoid the STD stigma--

8 posted on 07/22/2007 12:14:13 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Down with Mel Martinez)
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To: Mamzelle

No vaccines are cures to my knowledge. They are preventative measures.


9 posted on 07/22/2007 12:16:23 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: YOUGOTIT

“Why would anyone want to NOT be vaccinated against cancer? Since all medicine is given to us my the highest use it!”

Maybe because they are trying to make it mandatory.

It’s not your business, nor the government’s as to whether or not my daughter(s) have a vaccine for HPV.

It’s MY business.


10 posted on 07/22/2007 12:16:29 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Famously frisky)
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To: kinoxi
Did I use the word "cure"? The vaccine is to prevent an infection and the effects--cancer and genital warts, among other things. The disease is presently very widespread--men get it, too, and spread it. It can't be "cured"--but it can be mostly eliminated from the present generation of children who are not yet sexually active.

Perpetual virgins will not get the virus. But a lot of wives will get it from their husbands.

11 posted on 07/22/2007 12:21:27 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Down with Mel Martinez)
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To: kinoxi

I guess I wasn’t clear when I said:

“I say fight the disease” meaning vaccinate. The cost will be lower than letting girls get cancer and then fighting it.


12 posted on 07/22/2007 12:21:42 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Always use a silencer in a crowd. Loud noises offend people.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

So you don’t vaccinate your daughter?


13 posted on 07/22/2007 12:21:44 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi

What I do with my family and their health is frankly none of your business.


14 posted on 07/22/2007 12:22:37 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Famously frisky)
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To: Triggerhippie

Can’t argue with that. ;


15 posted on 07/22/2007 12:22:51 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Leatherneck_MT

Just out of curiosity...if there were such a thing as an HIV vaccine (AIDS) would you want your adolescent children to get it?


16 posted on 07/22/2007 12:23:20 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Down with Mel Martinez)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

You posted it I responded. I asked nothing beyond what you openly offered.


17 posted on 07/22/2007 12:23:55 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Mamzelle

See #14


18 posted on 07/22/2007 12:24:31 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Famously frisky)
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To: kinoxi

evidently you didn’t understand my first post.

It’s not your nor the government’s business.

End of discussion.


19 posted on 07/22/2007 12:25:12 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Famously frisky)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Vaccinations have improved your quality of life.
20 posted on 07/22/2007 12:26:36 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Leatherneck_MT
LOL--I guess there's never been a little round scar on shoulder, and you never had a TB tine...although it's cute to insist that the government has no interest in controlling disease.

The only gripe I would have with enforcing vaccination is that the disease--chlamidia--is not as dangerous as say, AIDS, is. But there are enough infected women out there to cause a big spike in cervical cancer rates in years to come. Not to mention the other results of carrying the virus around for years.

Almost no one who has the virus is aware of it. In ERs, it is the default assumption that most of the adults who appear with any kind of STD-sounding complaint already have it.

21 posted on 07/22/2007 12:32:48 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Down with Mel Martinez)
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To: kinoxi

It still doesn’t make it any more YOUR business.


22 posted on 07/22/2007 12:38:46 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Famously frisky)
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To: Mamzelle

Having served my country faithfully for most of my adult life, I would have to assume you have no clue what a serviceman has to be innoculated against.

Your assumptions are incorrect.

Let me reiterate once and for all.

My families health choices are not yours nor the government’s business.

Hillary may think it takes a village, but I prefer to trust independant individuals rather than the overseeing overintrusive all empowered guvmint that seems to think it knows better than the rest of us.


23 posted on 07/22/2007 12:41:44 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Famously frisky)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

I never said it was. A vaccine for Cancer leaves me “mixed” if you care to read the entire post.


24 posted on 07/22/2007 12:42:30 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: kinoxi
Females have the most to gain, at present knowledge, from getting the innoculation. Males really ought to get it, as well, since the goal is to eliminate it from the rising generation. We may find that HPV has long-term health problems for male carriers, as well.

I guess libertarianism is all very well until one's daughter gets infected by some infected boy somewhere, and can't be cured of the virus.

They should have started the campaign to vaccinate with testing and informing all those who are already infected and should be aware of their hugely increased chances of cervical cancer (very few cases of cervical cancer are unrelated to HPV).

25 posted on 07/22/2007 12:50:40 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Down with Mel Martinez)
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To: Mamzelle
Choosing to not get one’s child innoculated is...
26 posted on 07/22/2007 1:22:59 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Mamzelle
I've just thumbed through my handy-dandy pocket sized copy of the US Constitution and for the life of me I can't find one single word that authorizes the Federal government to force me to put anything into my body.

Maybe you ought to pop on over to the FR homepage and give the Mission Statement a read.

Just a thought.

L

27 posted on 07/22/2007 1:28:19 PM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: kinoxi
Your children wont have sex right? Good luck with that.

Well, that's taking it to the extreme but I'll play.

My oldest, 27 yo Daughter, Virgin, till she thought she HAD a husband, lost hope of that when she deployed to Iraq (she listened to her peers instead of mom/dad. Stuff happens like that in the Military). Next oldest, 22 yo Daughter, Virgin till married. My next oldest, 17 yo Daughter, swears to remain Virgin till married. My next oldest 15, Autistic Son, (Likely) until I buy him his first piece, Virgin till whenever.

We're not particuralry religious folk, just smarter than the average bear, but you seem to have a bit less faith in yours, not questioning their upbringing mind you. If this is such a concern for you and yours, head off to the clinic. Come near mine, like I said earlier, bring your Army.

My kids were raised to know and respect their FReedom, so you guys who think you know better than them are going to have some pains for decades to come. That was intentional BTW. I saw this nanny state crap coming decades ago and raised them to be a pain in the ya'lls butt long after I leave. Enjoy that brief glimpse into your chaotic future. Blackbird.

28 posted on 07/22/2007 2:14:30 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (I'm dug in, giving no more ground to the rino stampede. BB)
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To: monomaniac
Amendment Keeps Taxpayers from Funding Mandatory HPV Vaccines

I wish we could get similar ammendments for:
Medicare
Medicaid
Social Security
etc.

29 posted on 07/22/2007 5:24:24 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: Lurker
Oh, pugnacious assertions about the "shoulds" of life and libertarianism don't butter many parsnips.

But since you want to talk about what SHOULD be read... I just read a fabulous book "Ghost Map" about a cholera outbreak in London before the Germ Theory.

I don't know how important this HPV vaccine is to public health, but I'm not gonna cry that you were forced by the vicious Nanny State to avoid infantile paralysis.

30 posted on 07/22/2007 5:29:32 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Down with Mel Martinez)
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To: BlackbirdSST
You know, you can raise a daughter to be a virgin.

Can you raise a daughter to never marry a liar?

31 posted on 07/22/2007 5:30:48 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Down with Mel Martinez)
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To: Mamzelle
I guess libertarianism is all very well until one's daughter gets infected by some infected boy somewhere, and can't be cured of the virus.

Libertarian's fault that the daughter had unprotected sex somewhere?

Where were the parents at?

32 posted on 07/22/2007 5:33:40 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
In most states, 18 is well past the age of consent. There's a lot you can protect a daughter from--and a lot of wishful thinking about what you can protect a daughter from--

Most men who carry it are absolutely oblivious that they carry it. I wonder if all the fathers of virgin daughters here were themselves virgins on their wedding nights?

People do forget that this disease causes more than cancer. There are other symptoms of STDs that cannot be treated with antibiotics. Everyone exposed to HIV does not contract it--but this HPV increases risk of contracting HIV as any STD will.

33 posted on 07/22/2007 5:37:53 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Down with Mel Martinez)
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To: Lurker

Funny! ;-D


34 posted on 07/22/2007 5:43:00 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Mamzelle
Can you raise a daughter to never marry a liar?

Welcome to life, no one gets out alive. Blackbird.

35 posted on 07/22/2007 6:25:09 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (I'm dug in, giving no more ground to the rino stampede. BB)
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To: Mamzelle

Would it make a difference to you to know that the gov’t is trying to impose a non-effective vaccine on the populace?
It’s not to be compared with smallpox or other diseases you can get through casual contact.
The gov’t has no right to impose it’s will on the people.
I agree with MT. We’ve become so like sheep in our society that we no longer recognize when our wills have been broken and our lives sucked into bondage.


36 posted on 07/22/2007 6:39:23 PM PDT by PinkDolphin (J'essaierai de faire mieux la prochaine fois.)
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To: Mamzelle
Oh, pugnacious assertions about the "shoulds" of life and libertarianism don't butter many parsnips.

We ain't talking about parsinps, sweetheart. We're talking about my inalienable rights and the limits which are imposed upon the Federal government by the US Constitution.

And by the way, I wasn't discussing libertarianism, I was discussing a dusty old principle called "Federalism". You might want to look it up.

Now you may be willing to toss your rights on the trash heap of history, and that is your privilege. But you have no right to force your will on me by using a government stooge who may happen to be willing to do your bidding.

You have no right to force me to be an unwilling participant in some mass medical experiment.

It's largely the fault of boneheaded do-gooders who are willing to take little slices off the Constitution that we're in the mess we are today.

Now if you take the Constitution as lightly as you seem to I'd politely suggest you find another forum to post it in. Especially considering that your views are plainly diametrically opposed to the purposes of this one.

L

37 posted on 07/22/2007 6:52:59 PM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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re: We ain't talking about parsinps, sweetheart.)))

No, I guess we're really talking about condescending sexist jerks. Or at least I'm talking to one. Snookums.

So, don't pay your taxes, if you think a pompous pronouncement will keep the Man away. Don't vaccinate your kids for polio. See what that gets ya. And keep your kids out of school, and college, etc.

And when some illegal alien infects you or yours with some disease, at least his inalien rights haven't been violated. He didn't want to get his innoculations. He didn't. (Have you heard of the Kissing Bug?)

As for HPV--I don't know if it's worth the hassle of dealing with those tinfoil types terrified of flouridated water to attempt to eradicate an STD in the general population. It's just women with cancer, after all.

Nobody you'd care about. Snookiepie.

38 posted on 07/22/2007 7:54:34 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Down with Mel Martinez)
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To: PinkDolphin
re: It’s not to be compared with smallpox or other diseases you can get through casual contact.)))

This is true, and I have alluded to that more than once. It doesn't have the stature of other vaccines at saving a large number of people and requiring the public health enforcement. But that begs the question and the assertion that the government has no legitimate interest in vaccinating the public.

It's far from ineffective, however. The public is not aware of how widespread this virus is and how easily transmitted. Most haven't a clue that they have it. It is also relatively new (not like smallpox or polio). This means we will see a sharp uptick in new cases of cervical cancer several years from now.

The virus has no treatment. Once your daughter contracts it, she's got it for life. It doesn't go away by expressing disappointment in her morals.

39 posted on 07/22/2007 8:01:53 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Down with Mel Martinez)
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To: Mamzelle

It’s not an effective vaccine! I’m trying to tell you, this is not some magical treatment. It’s not even very effective and is unsafe.


40 posted on 07/22/2007 8:07:11 PM PDT by PinkDolphin (J'essaierai de faire mieux la prochaine fois.)
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To: Mamzelle
No, I guess we're really talking about condescending sexist jerks.

No, what we are discussing is people who will quite willingly cast aside Constitutional principles of governance when it suits their purposes.

And yes doll face, I'm talking about you.

So, don't pay your taxes

I do pay my taxes. Congress quite clearly has the power to lay and collect taxes. It's spelled out in Article 3, Section 8 of the Constitution.

What isn't spelled out there is the enumerated power (there's that phrase that you seem to have so much trouble getting into your pretty little head) to force the entire US population to undergo some kind of mass medical experiment whether it proves beneficial or not.

It's just women with cancer, after all. Nobody you'd care about.

For your information my mother has survived cancer twice so I hope you'll take this next little bit in the spirit it's offered.

Go **** yourself.

L

41 posted on 07/22/2007 8:20:03 PM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: monomaniac
It is a STD, and therefore readily avoidable with modest precautions. Insisting that girls receive the innoculation or be barred from school is a statement from the State that all students must participate in sex in government schools.

It also does not protect from any of the other, more gruesome, STDs currently raging through the population.

Far better to educate your own children on these perils and provide the moral support that will help them resist the incessant pull of the moral relativists (...and pull them out of government schools)...IMHO

42 posted on 07/23/2007 9:11:30 AM PDT by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the "No Child/Left/Behind" Party)
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