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Every Marine to be a Kung-Fu Fighter
Military.com ^ | July 22, 2007 | Jeff Schogol

Posted on 07/22/2007 6:46:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

First the Marine Corps made Chuck Norris an honorary Marine. Now the Corps wants all Marines to follow in his footsteps.

All Marines must now qualify for their tan belt in the Corps' version of martial arts by the end of 2007, Corps Commandant Gen. James Conway said in a recent Corps-wide message.

The move mostly affects those who joined before 2001, when the service made the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program part of basic training and the Basic School, said 1st Lt. Brian P. Donnelly, a spokesman for Manpower and Reserve Affairs.

The Corps originally hoped to have all Marines earn their tan belt by the end of fiscal 2003 and then have Marines attain higher belts by the end of fiscal 2004.

Now the higher belts are no longer goals but requirements for Marines, Donnelly said in an e-mail to Stars and Stripes.

"All infantrymen will be trained to green belt by the end of CY [calendar year] 2008," Conway said in the July 16 message. "All other combat arms Marines will be trained to gray belt by the end of CY 2008."

The changes apply to all Marines, including reservists, said retired Lt. Col. Joseph C Shusko, director of the Martial Arts Center of Excellence.

"A Marine is a Marine," he said.

The tan belt shows that Marines have mastered basic skills such as how to fall, move, throw punches, choke an opponent and counter someone coming at you, Shusko said.

The gray belt is the next step up and shows Marines have learned techniques such as lower-body strikes, chokes and how to get out of a headlock, he said.

The green belt is third in the series and shows Marines have learned skills such as how to rip muscle from bone, Shusko said.

The martial-arts training also teaches Marines how to hone their mental skills as warriors, Shusko said. This involves learning about other cultures such as the Spartans, Zulus and Apaches.

Another component of the training is character development, which ties the physical skills Marine learn with what they do as good citizens, he said.

Conway praised the character development aspect of the martial-arts training in the message.

"It has, at its center, the Marine Corps ethos that includes our core values of honor, courage, and commitment, as well as the legacy of selfless and honorable services passed from one generation of Marines to the next," Conway said in the message.

The switch to mandatory martial arts training came after Training and Education Command recommended revamping the program as part of changes to Marine character training, Shusko said. Those changes include moving the climactic "Crucible" exercise — where Marines march about 40 miles over 54 hours with little food or sleep — to the end of basic training.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alwaysfaithful; armedforces; chucknorris; devildogs; iran; iraq; kungfu; marinecorps; marines; martialarts; military; semperfi; semperfidelis; tellittothemarines; usmc; wot
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Jihadists beware! Here come the Marines! I think my late father (a retired Gunnery Sergeant) would have approved of this idea. There's an old saying: "Every Marine a rifleman" that the other services would do well to emulate, and now this.
1 posted on 07/22/2007 6:46:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Somebody link the song.
2 posted on 07/22/2007 6:49:42 PM PDT by 359Henrie ( One more bullet for a Kennedy trifecta)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
F*** the rifle, F*** the nukes, our Marines can F*** you up with their pinkey finger!
3 posted on 07/22/2007 6:50:10 PM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
the other services would do well to emulate

We already get the training, thank you.

4 posted on 07/22/2007 6:51:01 PM PDT by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There's an old saying: "Every Marine a rifleman"...

I always thought that was true until I met this guy that was a Marine during Desert Storm - he worked with secure telecomms on aircraft, and he hated firearms. I never figured out why ...

5 posted on 07/22/2007 6:52:04 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: 359Henrie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccp6Is7sFHY


6 posted on 07/22/2007 6:53:03 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Marines have learned skills such as how to rip muscle from bone, Shusko said.

Semper Fi.

L

7 posted on 07/22/2007 6:55:06 PM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: Old Sarge
Sarge!

The green belt is third in the series and shows Marines have learned skills such as how to rip muscle from bone, Shusko said.

Hope they plan to practice on raw standing rib roasts or PETA will be on this like white on rice.

8 posted on 07/22/2007 6:55:38 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The green belt is third in the series and shows Marines have learned skills such as how to rip muscle from bone, Shusko said.

Then after having a TV series and the highest belt possible they get to advertise for The Yellow Book. Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

9 posted on 07/22/2007 6:55:39 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
First the Marine Corps made Chuck Norris an honorary Marine.

While Chuck Norris makes the Marines an honorary Chuck Norris.

10 posted on 07/22/2007 6:55:57 PM PDT by lowbridge (A Gun A Day Keeps The Government Away)
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To: Old Sarge

Im former Army, myself. What I meant was having everyone weapons capable, not just combat arms. Remember the young female early in the war who was in the convoy that was ambushed? She couldn’t remember how to operate her M-16.


11 posted on 07/22/2007 6:56:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: txflake

Now what’s a few dislocated pounds of rump between freidns?


12 posted on 07/22/2007 6:56:32 PM PDT by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: Old Sarge

*friends* six-fingered-typing at it’s best...


13 posted on 07/22/2007 6:56:57 PM PDT by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Er...Norris's specialty isn't Gung Fu, it's Chun Kuk Do. His first expertise was in Tang Su Do, one of the branches of Korean martial arts that later became Tae Kwon Do (the other was Mu Duk Kwan).

As far as the Marines receiving hand-to-hand combat training, it's news to me. Why didn't we think of it before?

14 posted on 07/22/2007 6:57:30 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Old Sarge

lol and then they have to be able to suture it back on! And give a transfusion! lol


15 posted on 07/22/2007 6:58:40 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Old Sarge

You still in Ramadi?


16 posted on 07/22/2007 7:01:59 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: lowbridge
While Chuck Norris makes the Marines an honorary Chuck Norris.

But the real question will be is if the Marines can divide by 0 :)

17 posted on 07/22/2007 7:02:04 PM PDT by pnh102
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This brand of martial arts was affectionately referred to as “Semper Fu” when introduced to the Marines. From what I hear they like it.


18 posted on 07/22/2007 7:04:29 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: pnh102
We have so settled this. Ony Jim Robinson and Jack Bauer and Chuck Norris can divide by 0.

OT: funny tagline I saw: 'The Marines taught me everything but SQL'.

19 posted on 07/22/2007 7:06:07 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

1. [cue Carl Douglas-”Kung Fu Fighting”]

2. Does this mean we’re going to see a recruiting ad that parodies the old Hong Kong martial arts flicks?


20 posted on 07/22/2007 7:07:10 PM PDT by RichInOC ("Private Pyle, your style of kung fu sucks like a five-dollar whore!")
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To: Phsstpok
Is that related to the Scottish Martial Art, Fok Que?
21 posted on 07/22/2007 7:09:39 PM PDT by mnehring (Virtus Junxit Mors Non Separabit)
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To: txflake

Got home last year for my mother’s funeral.


22 posted on 07/22/2007 7:11:56 PM PDT by Old Sarge (This tagline in memory of FReeper 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t see a big change of training here. But what I do see is an aggravating display of politically correct warring.

Ordering a more detailed and extensive hand-to-hand combat training regimen means our young Marines have orders to dance more and more with enemy combatants instead of just killing them and moving on, or the USMC mission has changed so much we no longer have a clear path in any conflict.

Obviously winning points via a PC war is all that matters lately and is going to get a lot more of our boys killed.

Training is good. Having to play PC games with your enemy is bad, very bad.

Semper Fi


23 posted on 07/22/2007 7:14:17 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Think not of today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That story about “it jammed” did seem weird since she also claimed to never have got off even one round.......the one in the chamber always fires.


24 posted on 07/22/2007 7:15:00 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

sun due bu du jitstso’

the art of the open hand.

okinawa 1976


25 posted on 07/22/2007 7:15:42 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“shows Marines have learned skills such as how to rip muscle from bone”

I find this one a bit hard to believe.


26 posted on 07/22/2007 7:17:11 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
There was an old Japanese man named Dan Fuji. Dan’s father was a Christian pastor in Japan, but Dan himself bolted and rebelled, and left home.

Dan went into organized crime in Japan and Hong Kong. He worked himself up through the ranks of those who were the assassins, henchmen; the thug ranks. Dan Fuji became one of the underworld’s most skilled Martial Arts experts.

Later, Dan was himself converted to Jesus Christ, and immediately left the underworld. We spent time with Dan on several occasions in the late 1980s. We discovered that Dan wrote a booklet called “Karate and Christ.”

“Karate and Christ” was written as a discouragement to Christians from getting involved in the Martial Arts; asking young people to resist the Martial Arts because of potential spiritual dangers in the Arts.

Dan said something to us, and I have read it in his booklet, and here it is: Many of the very best Martial Arts practitioners who ever lived were fighting on the beaches and in the trenches in the Pacific trying to defend against the American invasions of the islands during the Second World War. There were many long bloody bouts of hand-to-hand combat on those islands.

The U.S. Marines were using old-fashioned hand-to-hand combat tactics against skilled Martial Arts belts. Who won those hand-to-hand contests? Overall, the U.S. Marines defeated Japanese black belt Martial Artists on those beaches.

Dan went on to make the point that there is much more involved in war than the style of fighting.

27 posted on 07/22/2007 7:20:54 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Billthedrill
Norris's specialty isn't Gung Fu, it's Chun Kuk Do. His first expertise was in Tang Su Do, one of the branches of Korean martial arts that later became Tae Kwon Do (the other was Mu Duk Kwan).

Doesnt matter what his specialty is, I can still kick his wimp butt. /keyboard commando

28 posted on 07/22/2007 7:22:24 PM PDT by lowbridge (A Gun A Day Keeps The Government Away)
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To: Lurker

“Marines have learned skills such as how to rip muscle from bone, Shusko said.”


If they use such skills on the field, then somebody will want to courtmartial them. Just wait and see.


29 posted on 07/22/2007 7:22:49 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Billthedrill

Chuck Norris was an Airman.


30 posted on 07/22/2007 7:31:19 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good news.. altho I remember some of the same stuff being part of our Boot Camp routine.

Besides pugil sticks, choking the snot out of one of your fellow recruits with a piece of garden hose were moments one doesn’t forget.

Glad to see they are continuing a tradition.


31 posted on 07/22/2007 7:34:24 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Welcome to FR. The Virtual Boot Camp for 'infidels' in waiting)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

32 posted on 07/22/2007 7:34:34 PM PDT by Tuba Guy (Charles Martel must be spinning in his grave !!)
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To: John Leland 1789
Several factors in WW-II which you don't think about.

George Patten described the M1 rifle as a super weapon. Despite all the noise about B29s, aircraft carriers and atom bombs, the rifle is still the most basic weapon of war and any major advantage in that is gigantic.

Kids growing up playing baseball were able to throw hand grenades further than kids growing up with karate. Imagine that....

The most major weapon you see in those films of island invasions appears to be the flame thrower; the most common way Japanese died in WW-II likewise appears to be having been burned to death.

The Germans never had any sort of a counterpart to the Browning heavy machinegun. Again something basic. The only real German advantage seems to have been in tanks.

There were a dozen or so very simple things which Hitler did wrong; doing any two of them right would probably have won for him. The simplest would have been simply not invading Russia. I've had Russians tell me the soviet state would have collapsed within another five or six years and Hitler could have picked up the pieces.

33 posted on 07/22/2007 7:34:50 PM PDT by rickdylan
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"The green belt is third in the series and shows Marines have learned skills such as how to rip muscle from bone, Shusko said."

LOL! ...spearhand thrust into abdomen, grab spine, and pull it through the front.
34 posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:03 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will vote for Duncan Hunter)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hot Damn! The Corps is now even more hard core. I love it. I always wondered why the military didn’t take martial arts more seriously. I guess they finally came around.


35 posted on 07/22/2007 7:43:32 PM PDT by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: rickdylan

I think you help make Dan Fuji’s point.


36 posted on 07/22/2007 7:48:09 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: mnehrling

Oh right yeah. I’ve heard of that. It’s mostly just head butting and then kicking people when they’re on the ground.


37 posted on 07/22/2007 7:48:28 PM PDT by Virulas (I am the lion of the courtroom!)
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Doesnt matter what his specialty is, I can still kick his wimp butt. /keyboard commando

Do you realize that you are still alive only because that statement amused Chuck Norris?

38 posted on 07/22/2007 7:51:51 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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Do you realize that you are still alive only because that statement amused Chuck Norris?

A second possibility is that the wimp is way too scared to do anything about it. :-)

39 posted on 07/22/2007 7:53:57 PM PDT by lowbridge (A Gun A Day Keeps The Government Away)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You and I spent our time running from hogs at Ft. Polk. What belt does that get?


40 posted on 07/22/2007 7:56:19 PM PDT by chesty_puller (70-73 USMC VietNam 75-79 US Army Wash DC....VietNam was safer.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Your cat (we have eyes everywhere):


41 posted on 07/22/2007 8:04:04 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Ken522
and he hated firearms. I never figured out why ...

Because he HATED cleaning them. At least a quarter of my time in boot seemed like it was cleaning weapons with Q-Tips and toothbrushes. Forget using modern cleaning fliud ... you're doing it with CLP ... basic oil.

You've never gone through gun cleaning hell until you've had your weapon rejected 10 times by the armorers.

42 posted on 07/22/2007 8:04:04 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: txflake

Your cat (we have eyes everywhere):


The behavior looks right but my cat is “fluffier.” Maybe he’s wearing a disguise...


43 posted on 07/22/2007 8:09:31 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Kung FOOEY~~~Go Back To 1966 "Hand To Hand Combat."... Image and video hosting by TinyPic Sat Cong...Sat Moozzi...
44 posted on 07/22/2007 8:10:13 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Am I gettin warm?

45 posted on 07/22/2007 8:16:04 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Billthedrill
As far as the Marines receiving hand-to-hand combat training, it's news to me. Why didn't we think of it before?

Once upon a time, both the Army and the Marines taught hand to hand combat in Basic Training. It was phased out shortly before I entered Basic though, because too many recruits were getting into trouble in bars on furlough (actually getting their backsides handed to them by civilians, or so the DI's told me).

If this new program was designed by somebody like Norris, though, it may well be worthwhile...

the infowarrior

46 posted on 07/22/2007 8:16:09 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: chesty_puller

Bacon belt?


47 posted on 07/22/2007 8:16:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Your Kung Fu is weak, Al Queda boy! My Kung Fu comes with landing craft!

48 posted on 07/22/2007 8:25:37 PM PDT by LexBaird (PR releases are the Chinese dog food of political square meals.)
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To: chesty_puller; 2ndDivisionVet

LOL,,,Ya’ll Too ?,,,C/3/5,,,3-1966,,,Chuck Who ? BWAhahaha!


49 posted on 07/22/2007 8:26:42 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Billthedrill

Norris had significant training in other styles, including judo. Incidentally, Norris was in the Air Force.


50 posted on 07/22/2007 8:29:38 PM PDT by 1L
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