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Fossil finds shake up dinosaur theories
The Mercury News ^ | July 19, 2007 | Betsy Mason

Posted on 07/22/2007 8:19:41 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

Dinosaur fossils found in New Mexico are challenging the idea that when dinosaurs appeared on the scene some 235 million years ago, they quickly rose to dominate the landscape.

Buried among the dinosaur bones, a team led by UC Berkeley paleontologists discovered the remnants of the dinosaurs' predecessors, dinosauromorphs, that lived 15-20 million years after the first dinosaur showed up.

"It was very exciting because we knew this was a type of animal that no one thought you'd find anywhere at any time in North America," said paleontologist Randall Irmis, a graduate student at UC Berkeley and lead author of the study which appears today in Science.

The discovery means that dinosaurs didn't simply replace their ancestors. Instead, the two types of animals lived side-by-side and competed for resources for millions of years.

"It has shaken up the old theory," said Bill Parker, a paleontologist at Petrified Forest National Park who also studies dinosaurs. "Everything was nice and neat before."

Scientists thought dinosaurs evolved from the dinosauromorphs in South America. Then, they may have driven their predecessors to extinction by outcompeting them with their bigger, faster and stronger bodies. Or, their ancestors and other animals suddenly went extinct for another reason, and the dinosaurs took advantage of the newly empty ecological niches.

Either way, the belief was that by the time dinosaurs were roaming North America, the dinosauromorphs were long gone.

"Everybody thought those animals had gone extinct," Parker said. "I think people are going to be surprised."

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TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevo; dinosaur; dinosaurs; evolution; fsmdidit; godsgravesglyphs; paleontology
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To: DaveLoneRanger

OOOPS!

Time to change the science books again!


41 posted on 07/23/2007 3:10:46 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 2 ..GWB, we hardly knew you...)
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To: webheart
Humans and dogs share the same environment. How did they differentiate?

Both derived from a common ancestor probably 100+ million years ago. Some physiology never changed: if you clip your dog's nails, you'll notice that the fronts grow twice as fast as the rears. Just like us!

42 posted on 07/23/2007 3:38:30 AM PDT by Does so
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To: ari-freedom

Time won’t help at all, the probability of even a mycoplasma cell spontainously coming to life w/all the amino acids(about 400) to give it life is one chance in 10 to the 119,800th power and the time it would take(the age of the earth times 10 to the 119,800th power) still makes it impossible.

Evolution is a theory and thats all. It is sad that it is taught as fact in our schools and universities with no evidence to back it up. Someones best guess that science has turned into a religeon.


43 posted on 07/23/2007 3:52:45 AM PDT by coincheck (America, the most generous country on the planet.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

One would think you would know better by now.


44 posted on 07/23/2007 4:58:07 AM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I think them dinosauromorphs have been hiding in my basement all this time along with a heap of other stuff.

Another good reason to put off cleaning it.


45 posted on 07/23/2007 4:59:13 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus ("Eat yer groatcakes, Porgy!" "Heavy on the thirty weight, Mom!")
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To: coincheck
w/all the amino acids(about 400)

It's easy to know everything when you know just about nothing, isn't it?

There are 20 standard amino acids used by most organisms to build proteins.

46 posted on 07/23/2007 5:02:54 AM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: ahayes; coincheck

Woho....why we have a scientific moralist...

“It’s easy to know everything when you know just about nothing, isn’t it?”

Judgmental too, likes to cast the first stone!


47 posted on 07/23/2007 5:18:02 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: ndt

Except that my suggested title is more accurate than yours...


48 posted on 07/23/2007 5:40:59 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: mdmathis6

Heck yes, except in the arena of science it goes, “Let he who is most qualified among you throw the first stone.” That would be me. :-D


49 posted on 07/23/2007 5:53:00 AM PDT by ahayes ("Impenetrability! That's what I say!")
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To: ahayes

“That would be me”

If you say so....


50 posted on 07/23/2007 6:02:50 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: vpintheak
Meanwhile, there has yet to be any proof that the Bible has been wrong on anything, end of story.

There was no global flood 4350 years ago.

51 posted on 07/23/2007 6:18:53 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: coincheck
Evolution is just a Theory with no evidence to back it up.

Check my FR homepage for definitions, including the definition of "theory."

If you are this wrong on something so simple, why should we trust anything else you have said?

52 posted on 07/23/2007 6:21:45 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
dinosauromorphs

Or as they are better known, the dinobots...


53 posted on 07/23/2007 6:50:44 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (As heard on the Amish Radio Network! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1675029/posts)
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To: snarks_when_bored
I used to have a small ranch on which I raised Youkneecorns and Nagues. To my ill fortune the Youkneecorns didn’t have any horns so I had to sell them to a Shetland Pony show. I did well selling Nague Hides until they stopped putting the skins on the roofs of the Detroit Dinaswoards. Had to go on wellfair. I am planning to start a hummingbird gizzard business in the near future.
54 posted on 07/23/2007 6:52:08 AM PDT by CHEE (Shoot low, they're crawling.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
"It has shaken up the old theory," said Bill Parker, a paleontologist at Petrified Forest National Park who also studies dinosaurs. "Everything was nice and neat before."

Not if you were honest and paying attention.

55 posted on 07/23/2007 6:52:25 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (Islam is the poisonous soil that bears evil fruit.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Dude, it’s missing the hairy chest and gold chains. I lived the 70’s.


56 posted on 07/23/2007 6:53:47 AM PDT by mikeus_maximus (Islam is the poisonous soil that bears evil fruit.)
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To: Coyoteman
There was no global flood 4350 years ago.

You fell into his trap. He'll just say that the evidence hasn't been found, yet. God always answers prayers-- either yes, no, or wait (which fits what happens when you pray to your toilet, too). Believers are always able to come up with ways to explain things that fit their beliefs.

57 posted on 07/23/2007 6:54:31 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Believers are always able to come up with ways to explain things that fit their beliefs.


But what will happen to our theology if we admit error?

Not my problem. You painted yourself into a corner and you can get yourself out.

Source


58 posted on 07/23/2007 7:08:08 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Dinosaur fossils found in New Mexico are challenging the idea ...

Scientists thought dinosaurs evolved from the dinosauromorphs in South America. Then, they may have driven their predecessors to extinction by outcompeting them with their bigger, faster and stronger bodies. Or, their ancestors and other animals suddenly went extinct for another reason, ...

Either way, the belief was ...

"Everybody thought those animals had gone extinct ...

Where are all the FACTS?

59 posted on 07/23/2007 8:14:23 AM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Interesting. I don’t see that this has much bearing on the inherent improbability of general evolutionary theory one way or the other.

But it could make a difference in the toy industry. Maybe by next Christmas we’ll be seeing stuffed purple dinosauromorphs in Toys “R” Us.


60 posted on 07/23/2007 8:36:10 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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