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Fossil finds shake up dinosaur theories
The Mercury News ^ | July 19, 2007 | Betsy Mason

Posted on 07/22/2007 8:19:41 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

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To: js1138

[[It was once dogma that eating pork was a serious sin.]]

Correction- it was once a health issue that later became an unfounded dogma by those hwo broke away from worshipping God and valued their own ‘good works’ more than actually listening to God.


101 posted on 07/23/2007 1:05:10 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: vpintheak

Here are just a few contradictions to the Bible (of course, they depend on which of the 50+ versions of it you read, too):

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm

http://www.unm.edu/~humanism/bible-pi.html

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/

No “true believer” on another long-winded recent thread ever did anything but state that these weren’t contradictions - any of them - but offered no corroborating evidence as to why they weren’t. I expect the same, here. The profound lack of scientific acumen I have seen on this and other websites is truly shocking. The tired old creationist argument that it’s just a “theory” is so pathetic it makes me want to tear my hair out in frustration. Nuclear weapon design theory is just a theory, too. Any creationists willing to sit next to a 10-megatonner while they pop the cork? (well, you won’t feel a thing, anyway) After all, it’s only a little “theory”, right, what harm could that possibly do? I guess airplanes can’t really fly because aerodynamics is only a “theory”. The power of the weakest scientific theory is vastly superior to any nonsensical atavistic dogma written by pre-scientific primitives. At least science ADMITS it doesn’t know everything - science is a search for the truth - truth that is backed up by empirical evidence and reproducible results. Religions are static and dogmatic, they make no progress, reveal no new truths, make no new discoveries. They are mired in the ignorance of the past, and are attempts to explain the natural world by a bunch of ignorant savages. What’s really sad is the desperate lengths to which religionists will go to seize upon the discovery of any new evidence that causes a theory to be altered, however much or however slightly, as “proof” that their primitive, ignorant beliefs are true and the very foundations of modern scientific thought are crumbling under the weight of their heretical, inaccurate beliefs. I’ll give you a clue; they aren’t.


102 posted on 07/23/2007 1:05:20 PM PDT by Locke_2007
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103 posted on 07/23/2007 1:05:26 PM PDT by CHEE (Shoot low, they're crawling.)
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To: CottShop
Really? Because in the other thread, folks are demanding a precise strong definition of Baraminology-...

No problem. Biology asserts that all living things are related; therefore it is not surprised that "species" is difficult to pin down.

Baramin Systems asserts that types cannot shade into other types; it is therefore incumbent upon baraminologists to say exactly what a type is and isn't. Of course, when defining types, one must include all types that have lived, not just those currently living.

104 posted on 07/23/2007 1:06:54 PM PDT by js1138
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To: GraniteStateConservative

[[You should pray harder to your toilet if you aren’t getting the result you desire.]]

No thanks- you can if you wish to play silly little games, but I’ll pray ot the God who takes a personal and very real interest in His creation- mock if oyu like- wouldn’t expect anyhtign different.


105 posted on 07/23/2007 1:07:25 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: CottShop
Correction- it was once a health issue...

And when did it cease to be ahealth issue? Name the date.

By your reasoning, promiscuous sex is not a moral issue provided the health issue can be taken care of.

106 posted on 07/23/2007 1:09:00 PM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138

[[Of course, when defining types, one must include all types that have lived, not just those currently living.]]

Mission nearly accomplished- Sure, there are a few problematic obscure problems- but by golly I’ll be dipped in dog doo if the ‘other’ system don’t have the ery same problems


107 posted on 07/23/2007 1:09:11 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: whereasandsoforth
I don’t think dinosaurs ever existed and God put the bones and stuff around just to mess with our heads.

LOL, that's a good one!

108 posted on 07/23/2007 1:10:04 PM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: js1138

[[By your reasoning, promiscuous sex is not a moral issue provided the health issue can be taken care of.]]

Oh really? I think that? Golly- wasn’t aware that promiscuity ALSO carries OTHER problems like broken marriages, hurt families, phsycological problems, as well as the health issues- thanks fur clearing htat up


109 posted on 07/23/2007 1:10:40 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: js1138
It was once dogma that eating pork was a serious sin.

Still is for some religions. Interestingly it is in some limited circumstances within Christianity, as explained by Paul in Romans. If it is a matter of conscience for you, don't do it--nor should you do it if it bothers a fellow believer and might undermine his faith.

In many respects Christianity was originally founded on a breaking of past dogmas, and there are many more examples of this. And like Martin Luther leading a rebellion against the stuffy hypocritical dogma of his age, I would assert a real Christ follower should have enough faith not to be afraid of new information and insights.

110 posted on 07/23/2007 1:12:33 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Locke_2007

[[as “proof” that their primitive, ignorant beliefs are true ]]

I read rtight up until that point and discovered that perhaps you’re incapable of mature arguing- Thanks for making that clear!


111 posted on 07/23/2007 1:13:01 PM PDT by CottShop
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To: coincheck

Anybody who simply dismisses the mountains of empirical, scientific evidence for evolution with a casual wave of the hand, is either deluded or ignorant of the facts.

www.talkorigins.org

Go take a look. Browse around. Check the section on Creationist claims especially. Or will you just dismiss all that too without even going there and reading it because you’ve read the Bible and that’s enough for you?


112 posted on 07/23/2007 1:16:36 PM PDT by Locke_2007 (Liberals are non-sentient life forms)
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To: CottShop

That’s precisely what they are.


113 posted on 07/23/2007 1:17:57 PM PDT by Locke_2007 (Liberals are non-sentient life forms)
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To: CottShop
Oh really? I think that? Golly- wasn’t aware that promiscuity ALSO carries OTHER problems like broken marriages, hurt families, phsycological problems, as well as the health issues- thanks fur clearing htat up

Just tell us what date eating pork ceased to be a health issue, and while you are at it cite your scriptural authority that dietary laws were just a health issue. Be sure to include all of the dietary laws, not just the one for pork.

I would like to see your evidence that sex outside marriage causes psychological problems. Do you suppose it causes more psychological problems than lying to kids about the physical effects of masturbation?

Would you care to speculate on the percentage of freepers who have had sex before marriage. How about their psychological problems?

114 posted on 07/23/2007 1:19:09 PM PDT by js1138
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To: CottShop

What, no refutation of any of my cites? How is that “mature arguing”? (I’m so shocked - NOT!)


115 posted on 07/23/2007 1:21:34 PM PDT by Locke_2007 (Liberals are non-sentient life forms)
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To: AndyTheBear

I find it interesting to see cottshop arguing that morality is just utilitarian. That’s an interesting insight. I wonder how many other believers accept that argument?


116 posted on 07/23/2007 1:21:55 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Locke_2007
Look there are tons of links arguing for and against the Bible, and it would be be unreasonable to simply post links as a method of debate. Most do not have time to both read and research all the various claims and counter claims.

How about simply siting a few of the most compelling alleged contradictions?

117 posted on 07/23/2007 1:26:02 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: stormer
crossbreeding between different species does not produce viable offspring

Not true. Interspecific hybrids can be viable and such hybridization is thought to have produced new species.

118 posted on 07/23/2007 1:28:58 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: AndyTheBear

No problem!! Good idea!!

Here’s one:

The sins of the father:

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

How, pray tell, is this not a contradiction?


119 posted on 07/23/2007 1:29:15 PM PDT by Locke_2007 (Liberals are non-sentient life forms)
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To: CHEE

I’ll put up a truck farm side-of-the-road stand for your humdingers right over by Leaf Springs, and throw in real pico de gallo bits.


120 posted on 07/23/2007 1:29:43 PM PDT by BuglerTex (What did the unnatural scientist say to the immoral philosopher?)
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