Skip to comments.Fossil finds shake up dinosaur theories
Posted on 07/22/2007 8:19:41 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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[[It was once dogma that eating pork was a serious sin.]]
Correction- it was once a health issue that later became an unfounded dogma by those hwo broke away from worshipping God and valued their own ‘good works’ more than actually listening to God.
Here are just a few contradictions to the Bible (of course, they depend on which of the 50+ versions of it you read, too):
No “true believer” on another long-winded recent thread ever did anything but state that these weren’t contradictions - any of them - but offered no corroborating evidence as to why they weren’t. I expect the same, here. The profound lack of scientific acumen I have seen on this and other websites is truly shocking. The tired old creationist argument that it’s just a “theory” is so pathetic it makes me want to tear my hair out in frustration. Nuclear weapon design theory is just a theory, too. Any creationists willing to sit next to a 10-megatonner while they pop the cork? (well, you wont feel a thing, anyway) After all, it’s only a little “theory”, right, what harm could that possibly do? I guess airplanes can’t really fly because aerodynamics is only a “theory”. The power of the weakest scientific theory is vastly superior to any nonsensical atavistic dogma written by pre-scientific primitives. At least science ADMITS it doesn’t know everything - science is a search for the truth - truth that is backed up by empirical evidence and reproducible results. Religions are static and dogmatic, they make no progress, reveal no new truths, make no new discoveries. They are mired in the ignorance of the past, and are attempts to explain the natural world by a bunch of ignorant savages. Whats really sad is the desperate lengths to which religionists will go to seize upon the discovery of any new evidence that causes a theory to be altered, however much or however slightly, as proof that their primitive, ignorant beliefs are true and the very foundations of modern scientific thought are crumbling under the weight of their heretical, inaccurate beliefs. Ill give you a clue; they arent.
No problem. Biology asserts that all living things are related; therefore it is not surprised that "species" is difficult to pin down.
Baramin Systems asserts that types cannot shade into other types; it is therefore incumbent upon baraminologists to say exactly what a type is and isn't. Of course, when defining types, one must include all types that have lived, not just those currently living.
[[You should pray harder to your toilet if you arent getting the result you desire.]]
No thanks- you can if you wish to play silly little games, but I’ll pray ot the God who takes a personal and very real interest in His creation- mock if oyu like- wouldn’t expect anyhtign different.
And when did it cease to be ahealth issue? Name the date.
By your reasoning, promiscuous sex is not a moral issue provided the health issue can be taken care of.
[[Of course, when defining types, one must include all types that have lived, not just those currently living.]]
Mission nearly accomplished- Sure, there are a few problematic obscure problems- but by golly I’ll be dipped in dog doo if the ‘other’ system don’t have the ery same problems
LOL, that's a good one!
[[By your reasoning, promiscuous sex is not a moral issue provided the health issue can be taken care of.]]
Oh really? I think that? Golly- wasn’t aware that promiscuity ALSO carries OTHER problems like broken marriages, hurt families, phsycological problems, as well as the health issues- thanks fur clearing htat up
Still is for some religions. Interestingly it is in some limited circumstances within Christianity, as explained by Paul in Romans. If it is a matter of conscience for you, don't do it--nor should you do it if it bothers a fellow believer and might undermine his faith.
In many respects Christianity was originally founded on a breaking of past dogmas, and there are many more examples of this. And like Martin Luther leading a rebellion against the stuffy hypocritical dogma of his age, I would assert a real Christ follower should have enough faith not to be afraid of new information and insights.
[[as proof that their primitive, ignorant beliefs are true ]]
I read rtight up until that point and discovered that perhaps you’re incapable of mature arguing- Thanks for making that clear!
Anybody who simply dismisses the mountains of empirical, scientific evidence for evolution with a casual wave of the hand, is either deluded or ignorant of the facts.
Go take a look. Browse around. Check the section on Creationist claims especially. Or will you just dismiss all that too without even going there and reading it because you’ve read the Bible and that’s enough for you?
That’s precisely what they are.
Just tell us what date eating pork ceased to be a health issue, and while you are at it cite your scriptural authority that dietary laws were just a health issue. Be sure to include all of the dietary laws, not just the one for pork.
I would like to see your evidence that sex outside marriage causes psychological problems. Do you suppose it causes more psychological problems than lying to kids about the physical effects of masturbation?
Would you care to speculate on the percentage of freepers who have had sex before marriage. How about their psychological problems?
What, no refutation of any of my cites? How is that “mature arguing”? (I’m so shocked - NOT!)
I find it interesting to see cottshop arguing that morality is just utilitarian. That’s an interesting insight. I wonder how many other believers accept that argument?
How about simply siting a few of the most compelling alleged contradictions?
Not true. Interspecific hybrids can be viable and such hybridization is thought to have produced new species.
No problem!! Good idea!!
The sins of the father:
ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.
How, pray tell, is this not a contradiction?
I’ll put up a truck farm side-of-the-road stand for your humdingers right over by Leaf Springs, and throw in real pico de gallo bits.
Depends on your definition...
There are in biological circles currently two competing definitions of species. One is the Biological Species Concept (BSC) and the other is the Phylogenetic Species Concept (PSC).
The Biological species concept says that the ability to interbreed is the key factor in deciding whether or not two populations are the same species. So using this concept, if owls and shafttails have fertile young, they should probably be considered the same species.
The Phylogenetic species concept says that every identifiable population is a separate species. If you can quantify a measurable difference between two populations, in size, shape, color, behavior, whatever, then you can call them two different species. By this definition, any time we create a new color variation in our domestic finches, we have created a new species.
Tear your hair out all you want. Rant and rave and call names all you want. It doesn’t matter to me. All people, including yourself are ignorant, stupid, and arrogant, ALL people. Your rant only serves to prove how pathetic and angry you are. I urge you to quite reading Dawkins and give up your anger and sarcasm.
I just read this to see how many creationists would comment about the way this discovery somehow supports their theories. I love and revere God. I’m not going to hobble Him with my puny imagination. The universe is how it is. I personally find an Earth with an age of 4.5 billion years and hundreds of millions of years of evolution far more awe inspiring than the few thousand years our limited minds conceive of so we can somehow fit the beliefs of my ancestors to the painstaking study of the world and how it works. Christianity is a guide for living and worship, not Geology 101, Biology, or Chemistry. I can give my soul to Jesus and still accept plate tectonics, radioactive decay, the microwave background radiation of the universe, and, yes, the evolution of living things. Science is just a collection of facts. Christianity gives it all meaning.
It must be tough to live with a mind so convoluted; my condolences.
IF evolution is a FACT why is it still called a THEORY (not yelling:)) and why have NO “missing links” been found, why did Mr Darwin say that the eye gave him the most trouble about his theory?
why have we not found in the fossle record evidence of the very beginnings of life? surely they would be there.
why have we not found fossle evidence of animals, plants, and fish evolving into their current form? but we have found just the opposite, animals and plants in unalterable form
why are we not seeing the continuation of this evolution today, what has stopped this evoutionary cycle? and don’t say that is is a v-e-r-y slow cycle.
why no archeological evidence of the “nutrient rich broth” that started the whole evolutionary cycle? again, we should have at least found some trace of this somewhere
why is it that when anyone challenges the theory of evolution they are automatically thought of as having the IQ of either their shoe size or a rock and not able to understand the scientific method, therefore they are not able to be trusted in anything they say?
I understand how science developes their theorys and how they test them, science is either directly or indirectly responsible for the advances we have made over the past years. Without science we would still be using wood to heat and light out homes and cook our food. we would also still be dieing of tooth infections or appendecitis.
I am not stupid, I do understand how science works, what I do not understand is that when NO evidence has been found to support this theory and when a theory leaves many many more questions(simple and complex) than it is able to answer since its inception and yet it is still is clung to as “truth” this is where I have a problem.
You must be talking to yourself again. Interestingly, all those 20 aminos must be 'left handed' in living organisms, even though the simple probability of either is equal. Mathematics provides yet another asymptotic impossibility for evolutionists to digest, yet they remain ignorantly unfazed.
Score: evolution, zero; mathematics (the real science) infinity!
NEW FOSSIL DISCOVERY: Paleontologists today announced the discovery of numerous primitive pre-dinosaur fossils that greatly resemble contemporary species of ‘RAT. The finds are being named in honor of Shrillery (’beastialitus’), Albore (’boritus’), Harry Reid (’undertakeritus’), etc. etc.
But that would put them out of business, since slivers are all that lend themself to such mental contortions.
Are you now trying to create nuovo-dogma that it must move? - In relativity, there is no discernable basis available to us to postulate either position. It's all arbitrary and subjective.
I haven’t read Dawkins - have no opinion either way on him. Who is ranting? I still haven’t read why the Bible quote I listed previously is not a contradiction. I am not the one who is looking at clouds and seeing angels. I am not angry, I’m simpy stating facts. I am sorry if you find them unpalatable.
The answers to all these questions can be found here:
It is quite sad, in this day and age, with all the research that has been done, and all the mountains of evidence collected, that people can still be so stunningly ignorant of the facts. Do nuclear weapons work? Has that been proven as a fact to your satisfaction? They are a development made possible by quantum THEORY. Look up the definition of THEORY - here’s a couple of good ones:
Just out of curiosity, what kind of evidence do you have that the earth moves? Or that electrons exist?
It's good to see more and more anti-evolutionists reveal their true colors.
I will ask you the same question I ask the others: in a geocentric universe with a non-moving earth, how do you account for the phases of Venus?
None of the links that you posted show any Bible contradictions. Only the inability of the lost humanist mind to accept God’s truths. The human mind is incapable of wisdom.
No “reason-that-they-aren’t-contradictions” can be logically expected, since a negative is logically unprovable. Your request for such folly tags you accurately to the cognosenti.
No, biology doesn't assert any such thing. Evolution philosophy asserts such proven nonsense.
A foolish question, illustrating your complete lack of understanding of GR. All frames of reference are equal.
Simple denial - no facts or rational argument presented. the last resort of the truly deluded!
How - tell me HOW are these not contradictions?
God good to all, or just a few?
PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.
JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
War or Peace?
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
Who is the father of Joseph?
MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.
Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it:
MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?
JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.
JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
And if God is truly omnipotent - why would he have to rest on the 7th day? Isn’t that a contradiction?
[[”O that there were such a heart in them [the Israelites] that they would...keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them and with their children for ever! ...you shall walk in all the ways which the Lord your God hath commanded you, that you may live and that it may be well with you, and that you may prolong your days... “
The suggestion ANd wisdom of not eating it never ‘ended’, But Christ did come and abolish people’s works as being the vehicle through which they thought that maintained tjheir salvation- the wisdom still stands to do whatever it takes to keep you healthy, however, As God pointed out to Peter, it wasn’t hte refraining from ‘unlcean animals’ that attained salvation but faith in Christ, and God pointed out to Peter that it should no longer be concidered a religious abstenece - not needed for being in presence of a Holy God who gave His common sense laws that we should maintain healthy bodies in His sight as far as possible.
Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. (As did the pagans who drank blood as ritual worship to their false gods)
[[Just tell us what date eating pork ceased to be a health issue, and while you are at it cite your scriptural authority that dietary laws were just a health issue.]]
Golly Gee Wiz Paw... do I gots tro spend rest of night searchign out passages that should be common sense to folks? I was so looking forward ot playing ‘Red Rover Red Rover, send the evolved amino acid right over’ instead
[[Would you care to speculate on the percentage of freepers who have had sex before marriage. How about their psychological problems?]]
Gosh, and here I thought your questions couldn’t get any sillier- Wow- was I wrong! Apparently you think the only ones invovled are the two who commit the act- it should be apparent to those with common sense though that marriage breakups over extramarital effects does indeed affect people psychologically, that premarital sex leads to higher incidents of infidelity after marriage and which affect the children, the parents of the offenders, the brothers, sisters uncles aunts etc
It's not a question about gravity or frames of reference. It's a simple question about light and shadow on a sphere.
So when did the eating of pork cease to be a health issue? or any of the other unclean foods, for that matter?
Perhaps we should have a poll among freepers to determine how many are psychologically disturbed or have committed adultery as a result of having sexual experience before marriage.
You don't have to do anything. I was merely interested in your assertion that morality was based on utility rather than obedience to God's law.
Since you’re hot and heavy ot reject God at any cost- even unto misinterpretting His word, what I’m about ot say won’t of course amount to a piss-hole in the snow, but:
[[God good to all, or just a few? PSA 145:9 The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works. JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.]]
He IS good to all- He gave His own life for EVERYONE, and offers EVERYONE free will. The fact is however that there are many people and cultures that totally reject Him and must be righteously judged- He gave fair enough warning- any more questions?
[[EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name. ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.]]
He is the God of peace to all who believe and obey Him. His word is very clear on that throughout and should, had you bothered to actually study His word reverently, instead of scouring His word for supposed contradictions taken out of context with which to cement your hatred against Him and His people, you’d have udnerstood that.
[[Who is the father of Joseph? MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.]]
Again, in your lust to malign God, you overlook soem very important points- but alas- anythign will do with wich to demean, eh?
“Which was the son of Eli; meaning, not that Joseph was the son of Eli; for he was the son of Jacob, according to Mat_1:16, but Jesus was the son of Eli; and which must be understood, and carried through the whole genealogy, as thus; Jesus the son of Matthat, Jesus the son of Levi, Jesus the son of Melchi, till you come to Jesus the son of Adam, and Jesus the Son of God; though it is true indeed that Joseph was the son of Eli, having married his daughter; Mary was the daughter of Eli: and so the Jews speak of one Mary, the daughter of Eli, by whom they seem to design the mother of our Lord: for they tell (b) us of one, “that saw, “Mary the daughter of Eli” in the shades, hanging by the fibres of her breasts; and there are that say, the gate, or, as elsewhere (c), the bar of the gate of hell is fixed to her ear.’’ By the horrible malice, in the words, you may know who is meant: however, this we gain by it, that by their own confession, Mary is the daughter of Eli; which accords with this genealogy of the evangelist, who traces it from Mary, under her husband Joseph; though she is not mentioned, because of a rule with the Jews (d), that “the family of the mother is not called a family.’’
[[Who was at the Empty Tomb? Is it: MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.]]
Eeeeek- John neglected to mention the others that were with Mary? Stop the presses!!!
[[Is Jesus equal to or lesser than? JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one. JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.]]
A simple understanding of the Triune God would clear this up for you, but I’m sure you’re much too busy finding other suppsoed contradictions with which to skewer God’s peopel with- well done thou good and faithful servant of the depths
Golly Gee Wiz Paw... do I gots tro spend rest of night searchign out passages that should be common sense to folks
You have an odd concept of common sense. Common sense dictates to me that the previous posts I logged that present some of the many contradictions in the Bible would give any rational person cause to examine the assertion of it being divinely-inspired very carefully. With an obvious conclusion...as a truly onmiscient and omnipotent God would certainly have worded it in a way that would not contradict itself.
[[You don’t have to do anything.]]
Actrually yeah I do have better things to do than to answer some of the incredulous silly questions of others- (yours wasn’tr that bad a question- but soem of hte others are) So Adue
Quoting contradictory scripture at me is not a rational answer. And I did not misquote anything. You are using the old argument that we cannot judge God’s intentions because we are not intelligent enough to understand him. This leads us into another logical contradiction - why would God create a flawed creation with the full foreknowledge that we woudl fail to understand him? And create a Hell to punish us with an eternity of torment for only a lifetime of sin? How cruel is that? (Not to mention incompetent)