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To: ClearCase_guy
But here we have an fossil being found which really wasn't supposed to be there at this time and this place. It goes against the theory.

Is anyone going say that serious doubts about the theory are raised? No. Don't be stupid. The theory cannot be question. We hold on to the theory no matter what. We just tweak it whenever contradictory evidence is found. That's (ahem) science.

You are wrong throughout.

Scientific theories are always modified if the data changes or if additional data is found. If the theory can't accommodate the new data, the theory has to be scrapped and a new theory developed. In this case, this is a very minor detail and does not change anything in the underlying theory of evolution. It just fills in a missing piece of the puzzle.

It is religious dogma that can't change to accommodate new data: new data such as the age of the earth (ca. 4.5 billion years) or the lack of a global flood about 4350 years ago.

9 posted on 07/22/2007 8:51:35 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman
In this case, this is a very minor detail and does not change anything in the underlying theory of evolution. It just fills in a missing piece of the puzzle.

Well, if you'd read the article, those guys disagree with you.

"It was very exciting because we knew this was a type of animal that no one thought you'd find anywhere at any time in North America," said paleontologist Randall Irmis, a graduate student at UC Berkeley and lead author of the study which appears today in Science.

"It has shaken up the old theory," said Bill Parker, a paleontologist at Petrified Forest National Park who also studies dinosaurs. "Everything was nice and neat before."

Oh, let me guess, they aren't *real* scientists. Their opinion doesn't count.

The discovery means that dinosaurs didn't simply replace their ancestors. Instead, the two types of animals lived side-by-side and competed for resources for millions of years.

Then how did they differentiate enough to become two distinct species if they shared the same environment? The initial genetic changes should not have been enough to prevent inbreeding for several generations, at least. So how DID they differentiate?

13 posted on 07/22/2007 9:10:24 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Coyoteman
It is religious dogma that can't change to accommodate new data: new data such as the age of the earth (ca. 4.5 billion years) or the lack of a global flood about 4350 years ago.

Complete bullshit. Speaking for my own faith, we accept avolutionary processes, etc, etc... (and we don't say "hey, religion is self correcting!" as an excuse if something turns out to be incorrect).

22 posted on 07/22/2007 9:43:04 PM PDT by Hacksaw (Appalachian by the grace of God! Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: Coyoteman
"Scientific theories are always modified if the data changes or if additional data is found. If the theory can't accommodate the new data, the theory has to be scrapped and a new theory developed. In this case, this is a very minor detail and does not change anything in the underlying theory of evolution." - Coyoteman

That's difficult to corroborate. The Theory of Evolution lacks any peer-reviewed falsification criteria in any established, recognized scientific publication...so whether or not new evidence changes (or falsifies) Evolutionary Theory is an open question.

25 posted on 07/22/2007 10:36:13 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Coyoteman
Evolution is an impossibility, when will science give up trying to prove something that, no matter how much time is given, did not happen, period.

The probability that a single celled life form even started on its own is about 1:10 to the 40,000th power. Anything at or above 1:10 to the 50th power is no chance at all. Even given all the time and concessions science wants to give to evolution, at best the probability is 1:10 to the 132nd power, still an impossibility.

Then to suggest that a human evolved, the probability is 1:10 to the 1,000,000,000,000th power. Again, impossible. Evolution is just a Theory with no evidence to back it up.

It is science that can not change when its religious dogma to evolution can not be supported, either by the fossle record or existing life.

Its time to get over this evolution fairy tale.

37 posted on 07/23/2007 12:19:07 AM PDT by coincheck (America, the most generous country on the planet.)
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To: Coyoteman
It is religious dogma that can't change to accommodate new data...

Do other types of dogma change based on new data, or only religious dogma?

93 posted on 07/23/2007 12:38:52 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: Coyoteman

Noah was a pakistani farmer living in the Indus River Delta region. He’d been flooded out before(the Indus River floods irregularly)and thus built a 3 layer log raft, w/tent, to ride out the next one. Instead he/family/animals got washed into the Arabian Sea by a 4 day long hurricane, 15 cubits = 22 ft deep water = storm surge.

The great CCW gyre in that sea washed him back to shore again. They had to wait for low tide to wade back to the true shore from the sand bank they’d landed on. 7 generations go by and his illiterate descendents, goat/sheep herders, find themselves in the UR area of iraq. Everyone there is a GOD or son of GOD(macho monkey hubris). So, sitting around a campfire this old, TRUE family story of survival at sea gets jazzed up into the myth you read in Genesis, to counter all these other myths floating around.

Still another 7 generations go by and one young boy’s name is ABRAM who swallows the whole myth; hook, line and sinker. Marilyn Vos Savant(230 IQ) : you can convince a 95 year old of NOTHING, a 5 year old of ANYTHING.

Thus this, along with an irish bishop’s 6000 year old earth, is what fuels creationism. GOD did create the universe, but that was 13.7 BILLION years ago. Biblical scholars make poor scientists....and it’s TRUTH we’re after, not someone else’s truth, our OWN TRUTH.


216 posted on 07/26/2007 2:46:24 PM PDT by timer (n/0=n=nx0)
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