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Insecure Borders: Let’s Give Blame Where Blame Is Due
The Family Security Foundation, Inc. ^ | 7/23/07 | Peter Gadiel

Posted on 07/23/2007 10:48:39 AM PDT by AuntB

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To: ANGGAPO

I still support GWB because there is on one else to support right now.


That is the reason America is lost, nobody will simply do what is right. You give an excuse for the status quo just like those that wont secure the border have thier reasons. I'm so sick of hearing these kinds of rationalizations, don't you see, this is WHY AMERICA IS FEELING, GOOD MEN ARE DOING NOTHING.
21 posted on 07/23/2007 11:22:05 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: AuntB
"President Bush... put up that wall!"

22 posted on 07/23/2007 11:22:11 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: Scythian

feeling = failing, sorry, ticked off


23 posted on 07/23/2007 11:22:27 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: MEGoody
Lets not try to make a tar baby out of RR on the issue of todays illegals swamping the nonexistent border defenses. Back then it wasn’t the all consuming issue it is now.

He had his hands full bringing down the Soviets and undoing the damage to the economy of the carter years with a demon666rat dominated congress behaving badly as ever.

24 posted on 07/23/2007 11:22:50 AM PDT by Weeedley
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To: MEGoody
It was official policy LONG before Bush took office.

Tell that to the thousands of American victims of illegal alien drunk driving, murder, rape, robbery, burglary, shootings, drug smuggling, fraud, etc over the past 6 years.

25 posted on 07/23/2007 11:22:51 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: AuntB
Hey, I will grant that Bush probably hasn't done enough to secure the southern border.

I ALSO want for the border hawks who use this forum as a constant platform to preach their hatred for Bush to get through their minds that he also hasn't done nothing about the border and the Democrat party operatives would've done much much less about the border than even Bush.

Turning all of politics into one issue and helping a party go to HELL because its failure to have a 100% success rate is insane.

This is what we want the liberals to do to the DEMOCRATS, dammit.

JMO.

26 posted on 07/23/2007 11:24:14 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Scythian
Here is what i support. Easing him to the curb one way or another and letting Cheney finish the term.
27 posted on 07/23/2007 11:26:11 AM PDT by Weeedley
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To: AuntB

What an outrageous foolish hatefest.

Thank you President Bush for your excellent work as a public servant.

Once this crowd has permanent established the Democratic party as the only ruling party in America, maybe they will come to their senses.

It will be difficult to rally the conservative base from jail cells though.

Border bots are opposed to border enforcement. We saw that in their defeat of the most recent immigation bill.


28 posted on 07/23/2007 11:26:23 AM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: AuntB
As chief of the Executive Branch he has under the Constitution not only the sole power but the duty to enforce the laws of our country, a duty he refuses to honor. He thumbs his nose at the obligations imposed on him by the Constitution, which, in the name of the God he claims to worship, he has sworn to uphold.

Correct and inexcusable

29 posted on 07/23/2007 11:26:59 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: MEGoody

“Reagan was theirs for 8. Bush Sr. was theirs for 4. Clinton was theirs for 8. What’s your point?”

If you believe there is no difference, there is no point.


30 posted on 07/23/2007 11:29:23 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: lonestar67
Border bots are opposed to border enforcement. We saw that in their defeat of the most recent immigation bill.

Moronic Post of the Day!
31 posted on 07/23/2007 11:34:43 AM PDT by rottndog (Government is a necessary evil, but as with all evils, the less of it the better.)
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To: dragnet2; AuntB; All

“Tell that to the thousands of American victims of illegal alien drunk driving, murder, rape, robbery, burglary, shootings, drug smuggling, fraud, etc over the past 6 years.”

Toss in 9/11 and the dire need to protect our borders from terrorists!

Toss in Bush openly inviting illegal immigration by constantly saying “Just doing the jobs Americans are unwilling to do” .........when 80% of those jobs were being done by Americans.

Toss in “ We must match willing employees(criminal trespassers) with willing employers(greedy quasi-slave labor crooks)


32 posted on 07/23/2007 11:36:03 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: ANGGAPO
"...20 thousand illegals..."

Make that 20 million; actually it is probably a lot more than that.

33 posted on 07/23/2007 11:36:05 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: AuntB
But in one respect Mr. Bush has carved out a place that is unique among corrupt politicians. In his obsession to pass his amnesty, a major tool in the permanent elimination of our borders, he offered what amounted to a bribe, in public, to members of the US Senate, telling them that if they would vote for his amnesty bill he would provide 4.5 billion dollars to build the border fence that a 2005 federal law he signed required to be built.

Good grief...for people who claim knowledge of the Constitution this is a situation where they look foolish. Surely they know that Bush does not "appropriate funds", Congress does.

June 15, 2007 - WASHINGTON – House Democrats voted down legislation offered by Congressman Jerry Lewis Friday to require full funding for 854 miles of double fencing and other security measures that were mandated in the Secure Fence Act passed by Congress last year. Lewis criticized the vote as undermining efforts to provide real security to the nation’s Southern border.

Congressman Jerry Lewis

WASHINGTON, Jan. 17 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) has provided an early indication that the new Democratic congressional leadership is prepared to abandon all pretense of enforcing U.S. immigration laws and our borders, warns the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). In a statement Tuesday, Hoyer declared that construction of the 700-mile security fence approved by Congress last fall is unlikely to receive the funding necessary to move forward. Instead, Hoyer vaguely referred to "other ways" that Congress would look into dealing with illegal immigration and securing the nation against terrorist infiltration.

Past statements by the Democratic leadership indicate that their approach to dealing with illegal immigration would include another massive illegal alien amnesty program and another set of vague promises to enforce immigration laws in the future. Democrats, who have repeatedly excoriated the Bush administration for its failure to bring America's borders under control and for failing to take necessary steps to secure the nation against future terrorist attacks, now appear prepared to scuttle the one real initiative that has been put forth to end the dangerous and chaotic situation that exists along the southern border.

Democrats Indicate That They Are Ready to Backtrack on Border Fence, Warns FAIR

And puhleeeeze don't anyone say he could do it if he wanted...or it's back to Civics 101 for you. And yes, what y'all call the amnesty bill was a farce, but the fence issue is being held up by the Dems, Bush signed the bill approving the fence and also gave Chertoff permission to waive environmental regulations that were also holding it up. Yes,...let's DO put the blame where it belongs...on Congress.

34 posted on 07/23/2007 11:39:56 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: rottndog

: )


35 posted on 07/23/2007 11:43:33 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: AuntB
It is useless to speculate about “why” he permits these crimes.

I don't doubt that Bush believes he has saved more American lives when the overall economic impact of illegal immigration is taken into account than the few thousand which have been lost because of criminal action by illegals. No doubt that he believes he has helped stave off a Communist revolution in Mexico that might have killed millions. No doubt that he believes he is denying Hugo Chavez (and by extension, China) an expanded role in the Western Hemisphere.

But since he seems to have decided he can't comment publicly on these aspects of the issue - particularly on the way illegals are propping up our house-of-cards economy at the moment - he has apparently decided to take the short-term political hit in the hope that history will prove him right, much as he did to shield Putin from the repurcussions of Putin's decision to help Iraq move its WMD's to Syria before the war.

Bush isn't a villain - but he's too much of an "ends justify the means" guy to be a hero, either.

36 posted on 07/23/2007 11:52:50 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

You don’t destroy America to prop up another country. Illegal immigration has wrecked hundreds of towns all across America and it is getting worse every day.


37 posted on 07/23/2007 11:58:45 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: lonestar67

Calling serious disagreement with policy *hate* is exactly the sort of thing the liberals do best. It’s exactly the same tactic as playing the race card whenever you don’t have a good argument. Make your point, present your position, but if you think you win any debate points by calling hate where this is anger about policy, you’re wrong.
And yes, I’m a Texan and yes, I voted for Bush for Governor, and twice for President, but I see his stance on illegal immigration as one of the greatest threats to the US right now. Might I be wrong? Perhaps. Could YOU be wrong?
susie


38 posted on 07/23/2007 12:02:51 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Not so... Reagan gave AMNESTY to 3 million of them... is that not a tad more than an invite?

LLS


39 posted on 07/23/2007 12:07:15 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: AuntB
For five years, members of 9/11 Families for a Secure America have lobbied in Washington and in many state capitols for immigration law enforcement and secure borders.

Bush and Fox meet in either Feb. or March of '01 to discuss immigration-we all know what that means. If after 9-11 and he didn't shut the borders down, he never will. The blueprint has been laid out and they will not stop it's progress. Only we can fight against that tide.

here's a bit from it.

The bilateral migration talks were initially announced at the Presidents’ first meeting in February 2001, and they were more formally reviewed in early September 2001. At that time, the Presidents instructed the cabinet-level working group “to reach mutually satisfactory results on border safety, a temporary worker program and the status of undocumented Mexicans in the United States . . . as soon as possible.”

40 posted on 07/23/2007 12:08:08 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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