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Insecure Borders: Let’s Give Blame Where Blame Is Due
The Family Security Foundation, Inc. ^ | 7/23/07 | Peter Gadiel

Posted on 07/23/2007 10:48:39 AM PDT by AuntB

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To: MEGoody
I never said they were. I simply pointed out that this is nothing new, but people act like Bush created this problem.

Ahem. While Bush didn't actually create the problem he has acted to make it much, much worse.

In September 2001, Bush and Vicente Fox signed the Partnership for Prosperity agreement. This agreement allowed the FDIC to form the New Alliance Task Force. Among other things, it changed the rules under which banks operate. Instead of requiring a US SSN to open a bank account or apply for a auto or home loan, banks could now accept the Mexican Matricular Consular card as valid ID and an income tax return using a ITIN as proof of employment.

It is this act which is most directly responsible for the all-out assault on our borders and the sub-prime lending debacle currently unfolding.

So, while your attention was diverted by the events of 9/11, George W. Bush was working behind your back to sell out American citizens.

In May 2004, Bush's appointed SSA commissioner signed a Social Security Totalization Agreement with Mexico that allows, among other things, the Mexican illegal alien to apply for and receive US Social Security benefits for the time they worked (illegally) in the USA. Not only that, but they can apply for and receive US SS benefits for their Mexican (national) wife and children, even if the wife and children have never stepped foot in the USA.

While your attention was diverted to re-elect George W. Bush, he was working behind your back to sell out future American generations.

No president before him has done more to sell out America than George W. Bush.

41 posted on 07/23/2007 12:08:16 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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To: lonestar67
Border bots are opposed to border enforcement. We saw that in their defeat of the most recent immigation bill.

You're a bald-faced liar. Pure and simple. The last amnesty showed what happens in DC when the open borders types get their way. All the wonderful enforcement provisions never get around to being enforced.

Which is why we and sane people everywhere demand enforcement FIRST - and THEN we talk about the other stuff.

42 posted on 07/23/2007 12:08:27 PM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
You don’t destroy America to prop up another country.

They think they have propped up the economic engine of America and headed off even bigger problems. A few small-towns suffer changing demographics? Just collateral damage - can't be helped.

Like I said - Bush isn't malicious or stupid, he just made a poor judgment call (with, I suspect, CIA advice) that a few murders in small-town America are better than having investment bankers jumping out of windows on Wall Street and a bloodbath in Mexico City.

43 posted on 07/23/2007 12:11:20 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: processing please hold

meet-—should be met.


44 posted on 07/23/2007 12:13:08 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: dragnet2

Good Point !!!!


45 posted on 07/23/2007 12:13:10 PM PDT by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: AuntB

I am at the point where I can’t even stand looking at the guy on tv anymore and I voted for him twice. How he can gamble another 911 is beyond comprehension.


46 posted on 07/23/2007 12:13:17 PM PDT by Buffettfan (3rd Battalion, 6th Marines - 1971 - 1974)
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To: brytlea

There was little to nothing in Bush’s record as governor of Texas or his campaign in 2000 to suggest that he was going to be the border enforcement radical that the border bots demand he be.

Pat Buchannan ran on the arguments desired in the 1990s. He lost.

As usual, I urge border bots to focus on influencing the current process. Bush is not running in 2008— so you will not have to feel betrayed— which is a silly assertion often made.

Border bots should have been able to win more congressional seats in 2004 and 2006. To my knowledge they did not.

I think the article posted here is pretty poor and I do not appreciate 911 serving as a moral backdrop to illegal immigration. it is far more signficant than that. I do not appreciate the suggestion that Bush is anything close to Clinton— let alone worse. So yes, I see it has hateful and spiteful. It is an unreasoning emotional argument about how Bush never was a proponent of strict border enforcement— yes even after 911.


47 posted on 07/23/2007 12:15:37 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

“In May 2004, Bush’s appointed SSA commissioner signed a Social Security Totalization Agreement with Mexico that allows, among other things, the Mexican illegal alien to apply for and receive US Social Security benefits for the time they worked (illegally) in the USA. Not only that, but they can apply for and receive US SS benefits for their Mexican (national) wife and children, even if the wife and children have never stepped foot in the USA.

While your attention was diverted to re-elect George W. Bush, he was working behind your back to sell out future American generations.

No president before him has done more to sell out America than George W. Bush.”

EXACTLY!


48 posted on 07/23/2007 12:15:38 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: lonestar67
Border bots are opposed to border enforcement. We saw that in their defeat of the most recent immigation bill.

I sure as hell hope you plead temporary insanity on that statement. Border bots were suspended or banned during the borders wars here on FR.

49 posted on 07/23/2007 12:16:49 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: rottndog

I agree and it fits the general theme of this thread.


50 posted on 07/23/2007 12:17:29 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Dan,

You are absolutely right. For some strange reason, GW Bush has this strange love affair with the filthy, corrupt sh$thole known as Mexico.


51 posted on 07/23/2007 12:17:42 PM PDT by Buffettfan (3rd Battalion, 6th Marines - 1971 - 1974)
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To: processing please hold
The bilateral migration talks were initially announced at the Presidents’ first meeting in February 2001, and they were more formally reviewed in early September 2001.

These talks resulted in the Partnership for Properity agreement, which was signed in September 2001 by Bush and Fox.

At that time, the Presidents instructed the cabinet-level working group “to reach mutually satisfactory results on border safety, a temporary worker program and the status of undocumented Mexicans in the United States . . . as soon as possible.”

This working group is called the New Alliance Task Force and is where the FDIC got the authority to relax banking rules that allowed Mexican illegal aliens to obtain bank accounts, auto and home loans using the phony-baloney Mexican Matricual Consular card.

This caused the current sub-prime lending debacle.

Mexican Consulates were staffed with US banking employees to explain to Mexican illegal aliens how to obtain US banking services using the Matricular Consular cards.

52 posted on 07/23/2007 12:17:46 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (After six years of George W. Bush I long for the honesty and sincerity of the Clinton Administration)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Some posters here remind me of the adoration Klinton had ....

If Kommie Klinton massacre's 1,000 innocent people & if it was documented by numerous eyewitness & video taped .

You would still have a bunch of Demo-rats worshiping & defending Komrade Klinton till the end .

53 posted on 07/23/2007 12:17:56 PM PDT by DvdMom (Impeach Nifong -)
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To: lonestar67

Ah, another tactic of those who don’t have much of an arguement...name calling. Border bots indeed. Are you a Bush bot then? (I have never ever called anyone that, and in fact have been called one myself, btw). Both names insinuate that the person has not thought out their opinion, but rather just march lock step like...well, like mind numbed robots. You don’t need to bother posting back to me if it’s more of the same.
susie


54 posted on 07/23/2007 12:20:13 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: lonestar67

It’s moronic to try and hold POTUS responsible for his gross dereliction of duty?


55 posted on 07/23/2007 12:23:10 PM PDT by rottndog (Government is a necessary evil, but as with all evils, the less of it the better.)
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To: lonestar67
There was little to nothing in Bush’s record as governor of Texas or his campaign in 2000 to suggest that he was going to be the border enforcement radical that the border bots demand he be.

Border enforcement radical? You are flinging pure steaming meadow muffins now.

We are not asking Bush to be a radical. JUST TO ENFORCE THE LAWS AS THEY STAND.

56 posted on 07/23/2007 12:24:07 PM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: processing please hold

Let me spell it out.

I think Border bots need to be exposed to the same absurd ironies of their claims against Bush.

This mischaracterization of Border Bot arguments is precisely the type of analysis which is used to mislead the public about President Bush.

I actually do not begrudge border bots getting better border enforcement. I just do not agree with the axis of power that is emerging between Left and Right against Bush. This man is of far better character than 33% suggests.


57 posted on 07/23/2007 12:24:26 PM PDT by lonestar67 (Its time to withdraw from the War on Bush-- your side is hopelessly lost in a quagmire.)
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To: DvdMom

“Some posters here remind me of the adoration Klinton had ....
If Kommie Klinton massacre’s 1,000 innocent people & if it was documented by numerous eyewitness & video taped .

You would still have a bunch of Demo-rats worshiping & defending Komrade Klinton till the end .”

Blindly following any political figure is at best foolish : )


58 posted on 07/23/2007 12:24:59 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
These talks resulted in the Partnership for Properity agreement, which was signed in September 2001 by Bush and Fox.

You're correct. They've had this in the works for some time, we're now trying to play catch up to their sellout.

I hope everyone reads your entire post, including lurkers.

59 posted on 07/23/2007 12:25:31 PM PDT by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: lonestar67
[.. Thank you President Bush for your excellent work as a public servant. Once this crowd has permanent established the Democratic party as the only ruling party in America, maybe they will come to their senses. ..]

20+ million brand new democrats amnestied and added to the voteing ranks of the democrat party will help America HOW?..

Will give Hitlery 8 years instead of 4???..
And Obama(VeeP) 8 MORE YEARS??..
HOW will that HELP?..

60 posted on 07/23/2007 12:26:46 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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