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Massive Egyptian Fort Discovered
iAfrica ^ | 7-23-2007

Posted on 07/23/2007 2:51:56 PM PDT by blam

Massive Egyptian fort discovered

Mon, 23 Jul 2007

Egypt announced on Sunday the discovery of the largest-ever military city from the Pharaonic period on the edge of the Sinai desert, part of a series of forts that stretched to the Gaza border.

"The three forts are part of a string of 11 castles that made up the Horus military road that went from Suez all the way to the city of Rafah on the Egyptian-Palestinian border and dates to the 18th and 19th dynasties (1560-1081 BC)," antiquities supreme Zahi Hawwas said in a statement.

Teams have been digging in the area for the past decade, but the Egyptian discovery of the massive Fort Tharo and the discovery of two other fortresses by French and American teams confirmed the existence of the Horus fortifications described in ancient texts.

Fort Tharo, the military headquarters for the eastern defence of Egypt, had 13-metre thick mud brick walls running 500 metres by 250 metres and was punctuated by 24 huge towers, said a statement from the Supreme Council of Antiquities.

The fortress was surrounded by a water-filled moat which could only be crossed by using a removable wooden bridge, with the fort's administrative buildings, temples, storehouses and market places found nearby.

The entire complex, which was connected by a bridge over the crocodile-infested waters of a now silted up branch of the Nile, was charged with defending Pharaoh Ramses II's northern capital city of Per-Ramesse.

Ramses II of the 19th Dynasty spent 16 years of his long reign battling the rival Hittites in the Levant and mounted numerous expeditions across the desert into neighbouring lands.

The other fortresses discovered appear to be outer lines of defence for the Tharo complex.

The American expedition found a 100-metre square fort known as the Lion's Lair seven kilometres east of Tharo in Tel al-Burj, also surrounded by a large moat.

Another 15 kilometres to the east the French expedition found a slightly smaller fortress built by Ramses' father Seti I in Tel Heir.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ancientegypt; avaris; catastrophism; discovered; egyptian; exodus; fort; godsgravesglyphs; massive

1 posted on 07/23/2007 2:51:57 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
GGG Ping.

No pictures.

2 posted on 07/23/2007 2:52:24 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

I see the Egyptians didn’t like Palestinians then, either.......


3 posted on 07/23/2007 2:54:54 PM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: blam

http://d.yimg.com/ca.yimg.com/p/070722/afp/isgeeea44220707151838photo00.jpg?


4 posted on 07/23/2007 2:56:27 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: blam
Here y'go ...

What?

Oh ... forT .... my bad.

5 posted on 07/23/2007 3:04:47 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: blam

More justification for Moses’ alternate route taken during the Exodus.


6 posted on 07/23/2007 3:17:09 PM PDT by brigadoon
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To: blam

…a water-filled crocodile-infested moat which could only be crossed by using a removable wooden bridge crocodile-infested…

We should hire the Egyptians to build our 700 mile long border fence.


7 posted on 07/23/2007 4:18:14 PM PDT by UglyinLA
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To: Berosus; Fred Nerks; 75thOVI; AFPhys; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ..
One of those topics (sort of).
 
Catastrophism
 
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8 posted on 07/23/2007 4:23:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 23, 2007 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

You rang?


9 posted on 07/23/2007 4:27:08 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Equal opportunity" means everyone will have a fair chance at being incompetent. ~~ L J Pete)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 49th; ...
Thanks Blam. I hope there are photos soon. I don't think this is far enough east to be Tharu, but it's interesting nonetheless.

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10 posted on 07/23/2007 4:27:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 23, 2007 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

I want piccies...they make things so much clearer...


11 posted on 07/23/2007 4:28:25 PM PDT by Monkey Face ("Equal opportunity" means everyone will have a fair chance at being incompetent. ~~ L J Pete)
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To: brigadoon
"More justification for Moses’ alternate route taken during the Exodus."

Outlined in this book:

The Gold Of Exodus

"Eminent biblical scholars at Harvard and the University of Pennsylvania have argued that Mount Sinai is not in the Sinai Peninsula at all, but rather in northwestern Saudi Arabia. However, they were never allowed into the kingdom to prove their argument. When Cornuke and Williams are also denied entry, they daringly sneak into Saudi Arabia. And what they discover at the mountain known as Jabal al Lawz will astonish the world — and inspire readers to rethink the role of the Bible in history. They find the remains of the stone altar at which the Golden Calf was worshiped, the twelve pillars that Moses ordered to be erected, the cave where Moses slept, and, most sensationally, the unnaturally scorched spot on the mountaintop where God gave Moses the two stone tablets. They also explain, in a fascinating account, the truth about the parting of the Red Sea waters. And not the least of their discoveries is the fact that one of the most sacred spots on earth is not a top secret Saudi military base. As these two adventurers follow in Moses' footsteps, they become pawns in a dangerous game of international power politics and intrigue, This action-packed tale — part high-tech treasure hunt, part modern-day spy thriller, and part biblical detective story — is riveting. And it is all true. "

12 posted on 07/23/2007 4:34:25 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: SunkenCiv

Who were they keeping out?


13 posted on 07/23/2007 4:47:15 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Helen Thomassss!


14 posted on 07/23/2007 5:02:04 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (ffffFReeeePeee!)
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To: blam
is riveting. And it is all true.

I've seen photos taken from that location and read a little about it. It certainly looks true to me.

15 posted on 07/23/2007 5:21:58 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: knarf

Wish I could get my hands on one of those Egyptshine Fords!


16 posted on 07/23/2007 5:38:07 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Red Badger

“I see the Egyptians didn’t like Palestinians then, either.......”

My thought exactly, and it’s been that way for better than 3,000 years too.


17 posted on 07/23/2007 5:53:18 PM PDT by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built)
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To: blam

A handout picture released by the Egyptian Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA) 22 July 2007, shows an arial view of excavation trenches mapping out the ancient wall foundations of the newly discovered Pharaonic fortress of Tharo on the edge of Egypt's Sinai desert. Egypt announced today the discovery of the largest-ever military city from the Pharaonic period on the edge of the Sinai desert, part of a series of forts that stretched to the Gaza border. "The three forts are part of a string of 11 castles that made up the Horus military road that went from Suez all the way to the city of Rafah on the Egyptian-Palestinian border and dates to the 18th and 19th dynasties (1560-1081 BC)," antiquities chief Zahi Hawwas said in a statement. AFP PHOTO/SCA/HO EGYPT-ARCHAEOLOGY-MI LITARY-FORT-THARO 22 Jul 2007

18 posted on 07/23/2007 5:53:31 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: UglyinLA

Clean up the Rio Grande and build alligator nesting grounds. Just a thought.


19 posted on 07/23/2007 6:43:41 PM PDT by BJClinton (pfft)
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To: SunkenCiv

>>>>13-metre thick mud brick walls

dat’s a lotta mud!


20 posted on 07/23/2007 7:18:54 PM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: UglyinLA

You’d need REAL Egyptians - the only ones lefet are the Copts - about 10% of the population and all oppressed Christians. All the others are just Muslim Arabs who moved in about 1500 years ago - you know - like they are moving in here today.


21 posted on 07/23/2007 8:13:37 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1464082/replies?c=8

Rhonicolura?

http://www.airport-images.com/city_743920_El-%60Arîsh


22 posted on 07/23/2007 8:38:44 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: BenLurkin

“Who were they keeping out?”

The “sea people,” I guess.


23 posted on 07/23/2007 8:41:36 PM PDT by indcons (I support Mitt's 5th position on abortion, 8th position on gun rights, and 7th position on amnesty.)
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To: SunkenCiv

AVARIS!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1164080/posts

#35

“The identification of Avaris with el-Arish goes together with the identification of the Hyksos with the Amalekites.”


24 posted on 07/23/2007 8:52:47 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: ken21; Fred Nerks

:’) Ken, they must have shipped ‘em in. ;’) The dating of these (18th / 19th dynasties) must be incorrect, or the identification of this as the site of Tharu / Avaris (they were two names for the same place in ancient times) must be incorrect. I’d suggest that this structure is NOT Tharu (not surprisingly, Tharu / Avaris was previously identified with just as much certainty, at a site west of this one) which was a fortress built by the Hyksos. Should be amusing if / when Persian artifacts show up in inopportune contexts. ;’)

The Peace Canal (whatever the project is now named) which Egypt has been building to move Nile water to Sinai settlements and (perhaps, eventually) Gaza (not to Israel, because Sudan threatened war over that idea) has uncovered a bunch of stuff in the northern Sinai and eastern delta.


25 posted on 07/23/2007 8:58:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 23, 2007 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

they must have had a powerful need to keep other folks out.


26 posted on 07/23/2007 9:13:59 PM PDT by ken21 ( b 4 fred.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Wish I could get my hands on one of those Egyptshine Fords!


Good luck finding after market parts, Dude!


27 posted on 07/23/2007 9:22:59 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Fred Nerks

Avaris references:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1716967/posts?page=21#21
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1180724/posts?page=18#18
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/999861/posts?page=6#6
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/891225/posts?page=20#20
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/725672/posts


28 posted on 07/23/2007 9:41:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 23, 2007 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: BenLurkin
It was a trade route, and an invasion route (going both ways), but it is very unforgiving country.
The History: Thalia
by Herodotus
tr by George Rawlinson
I shall now mention a thing of which few of those who sail to Egypt are aware. Twice a year wine is brought into Egypt from every part of Greece, as well as from Phoenicia, in earthen jars; and yet in the whole country you will nowhere see, as I may say, a single jar. What then, every one will ask, becomes of the jars? This, too, I will clear up. The burgomaster of each town has to collect the wine-jars within his district, and to carry them to Memphis, where they are all filled with water by the Memphians, who then convey them to this desert tract of Syria. And so it comes to pass that all the jars which enter Egypt year by year, and are there put up to sale, find their way into Syria, whither all the old jars have gone before them.

This way of keeping the passage into Egypt fit for use by storing water there, was begun by the Persians so soon as they became masters of that country. As, however, at the time of which we speak the tract had not yet been so supplied, Cambyses... filled a number of camels' skins with water, and loading therewith all the live camels that he possessed, drove them into the desert, and awaited the coming of the army. This is the more likely of the two tales that are told.

29 posted on 07/23/2007 9:59:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 23, 2007 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Something else to watch for while they're digging:
The History: Thalia
by Herodotus
tr by George Rawlinson
Psammenitus, son of Amasis, lay encamped at the mouth of the Nile, called the Pelusiac, awaiting Cambyses... The Persians crossed the desert, and, pitching their camp close to the Egyptians, made ready for battle. Hereupon the mercenaries in the pay of Psammenitus, who were Greeks and Carians... Stubborn was the fight which followed, and it was not till vast numbers had been slain upon both sides, that the Egyptians turned and fled... On the field where this battle was fought I saw a very wonderful thing which the natives pointed out to me. The bones of the slain lie scattered upon the field in two lots, those of the Persians in one place by themselves, as the bodies lay at the first -- those of the Egyptians in another place apart from them. If, then, you strike the Persian skulls, even with a pebble, they are so weak, that you break a hole in them; but the Egyptian skulls are so strong, that you may smite them with a stone and you will scarcely break them in. They gave me the following reason for this difference, which seemed to me likely enough: The Egyptians (they said) from early childhood have the head shaved, and so by the action of the sun the skull becomes thick and hard. The same cause prevents baldness in Egypt, where you see fewer bald men than in any other land. Such, then, is the reason why the skulls of the Egyptians are so strong. The Persians, on the other hand, have feeble skulls, because they keep themselves shaded from the first, wearing turbans upon their heads. What I have here mentioned I saw with my own eyes, and I observed also the like at Papremis, in the case of the Persians who were killed with Achaeamenes, the son of Darius, by Inarus the Libyan.

30 posted on 07/23/2007 10:00:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 23, 2007 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ken21
depended on their immediate need (':
The History of Herodotus
translated by George Rawlinson
Book II: Euterpe
The Ionians and Carians occupied for many years the places assigned them by Psammetichus, which lay near the sea, a little below the city of Bubastis, on the Pelusiac mouth of the Nile... The docks where their vessels were laid up and the ruins of their habitations were still to be seen in my day at the place where they dwelt originally, before they were removed by Amasis... Psammetichus left a son called Necos, who succeeded him upon the throne. This prince was the first to attempt the construction of the canal to the Red Sea -- a work completed afterwards by Darius the Persian -- the length of which is four days' journey, and the width such as to admit of two triremes being rowed along it abreast. The water is derived from the Nile, which the canal leaves a little above the city of Bubastis, near Patumus, the Arabian town, being continued thence until it joins the Red Sea. At first it is carried along the Arabian side of the Egyptian plain, as far as the chain of hills opposite Memphis, whereby the plain is bounded, and in which lie the great stone quarries; here it skirts the base of the hills running in a direction from west to east, after which it turns and enters a narrow pass, trending southwards from this point until it enters the Arabian Gulf... A hundred and twenty thousand of the Egyptians, employed upon the work in the reign of Necos, lost their lives in making the excavation... Necos, when he gave up the construction of the canal, turned all his thoughts to war, and set to work to build a fleet of triremes, some intended for service in the northern sea, and some for the navigation of the Erythraean. These last were built in the Arabian Gulf where the dry docks in which they lay are still visible.

31 posted on 07/23/2007 10:14:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 23, 2007 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Fred Nerks

King of the Wild Frontier (Hyksos art and architecture in the Sinai)
Al-Ahram Weekly | 2005 | Nevine El-Aref
Posted on 08/15/2005 10:33:49 PM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1464082/posts

[and, a graphics-heavy topic]

USO Canteen FReeper Style
Ancient Egyptian Military:
Fortresses, Siege Warfare July 22, 2003
MilitaryHistory.com at the Internet | July 22, 2003 | LaDivaLoca
Posted on 07/22/2003 5:52:06 AM EDT by LaDivaLoca
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/950387/posts


32 posted on 07/23/2007 10:20:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 23, 2007 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1664981/posts


33 posted on 07/23/2007 10:21:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 23, 2007 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

thanks three times...


34 posted on 07/23/2007 10:25:03 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: Fred Nerks
:') 3 y'r'welcomes. ;')
Key archaeological finds in Sinai
Egypt State Information Service
Tuesday, May 16, 2006
An archaeological mission belonging to the Supreme Council of Antiquities (SCA) announced the discovery of 36 tombs dating back to the pre-history era.

Dr. Zahi Hawwas, Secretary-General of SCA said that the mission unearthed the tombs during an archaeological survey in Ain Hadra and Abul Rdeis, central Sinai.

35 posted on 07/24/2007 11:09:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 23, 2007 https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam
I notice it's the Egyptian / Palestinian border, not the Egyptian / Israeli border..

Apparently this publisher still refuses to admit Israel exists.

36 posted on 07/24/2007 1:32:35 PM PDT by Drammach (Freedom - It's not just a job, It's an Adventure)
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To: SunkenCiv

http://www.wataninet.com/article_en.asp?ArticleID=12949

South Sinai has a long history of human habitation. In ancient times Abu-Zneima, which lies on the Gulf of Suez close to the Gharandel valley, the temple of Hathor and Hammam Pharaon—Pharaoh’s Bath—was used as a port for carrying turquoise and copper from Sinai to Tiba, present-day Luxor. It is now an industrial zone with most of the residents employed in nearby factories and mines. Further along the Gulf of Suez is Abu-Rdeis, surrounded by a chain of mountains interrupted by valleys of date palms. Oil and natural gas is found in this area, so many local people work in these industries...

http://www.egyptsites.co.uk/deserts/western/farafra.html

Ain Hadra...inhabited during the Roman period, ancient caravan route, artifacts, pottery sherds found etc...


37 posted on 07/24/2007 3:44:57 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (Fair dinkum!)
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To: blam

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38 posted on 01/14/2010 8:08:10 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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