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Posted on 07/24/2007 11:09:16 AM PDT by lizol
US, Poland Ignore Russian Threats
WARSAW, Poland, July 24--Poland and US remain undeterred by Russian opposition to Washington's plans to build a missile defense system in eastern Europe, the chief Polish negotiator said Tuesday.
Deputy Foreign Minister Witold Waszczykowski said Russia had shown a determination to block the project, most recently by suspending its participation in a key European arms control treaty.
In a phone interview with The Associated Press, Waszczykowski said the Polish President Lech Kaczynski and US President George W. Bush discussed their concerns over Russia's move during their meeting in Washington last week and resolved not to be swayed by it.
"During the meeting of Kaczynski and President Bush, we discussed what else the Russians can do to spoil the whole concept, and the straightforward answer was, well, that we will continue,'' Waszczykowski said.
"Despite Russia trying to spoil this concept, to destroy the whole idea, there is a determination and commitment on the American side to continue the project as they proposed in January of this year,'' said Waszczykowski, who accompanied Kaczynski to Washington.
Waszczykowski said that Bush and Kaczynski discussed how seriously to take Russia's decision to suspend its participation in the Treaty on Conventional Forces in Europe.
"That was part of the discussion -- how are we supposed to react? Is it only rhetoric, used just like 10 years ago during the discussion on NATO enlargement?'' said Waszczykowski, a former charge d'affaires to NATO who led Poland's negotiations on joining the alliance.
"Or is it something serious that we need to take into consideration -- do we have to take care and be afraid? So far it's too early to answer this.''
The US formally asked Poland in January to let it place 10 interceptors in Poland as part of a system aimed at a baseless claim of protecting the US and Europe from future missile attacks from neighboring countries. The system would also include a radar base in the Czech Republic.
Russia says the US anti-missile system would upset the balance of strategic forces in Europe. Russian President Vladimir Putin suggested in June that the US modify the proposal and use current or proposed radar sites in Azerbaijan and southern Russia.
That plan, Waszczykowski said, is "worth taking into consideration. But it cannot replace the whole system -- it can add additional value, but it cannot replace the original proposal.''
Poland has not yet given its final decision.
“US, Poland Ignore Russian Threats”
Breaking news from the late 1930’s.
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Putin is a fascist, and must be treated as one: no appeasement, no backing down. Fascists fear strength and loathe weakness. Announce that we have decided not to redeploy as many forces out of Europe, go ahead with the Poland and Czech radar sites, add more sites in the Balkans. These can be used to pressure Russia going forward. The establishment of Putin’s own “Hitler youth” movement seals the deal. Russia IMO is a principle architect of the Islamo-fascist movement, just as it was during the Cold War, using the Nazi ideology prevalent in Islamic discourse to its own advantage. I say this because without Russia support, supply and training of these movements they would cease to exist as a threat to the West going forward. Russia is using the Islamo-fascist movement as an extension of its own foreign policy. I also believe autocratic Russia, with its massive foreign espionage program, contributes greatly to the so-called “anti-war” movement in this country. How they do this is obscure, but I imagine it has to do with infiltration and manipulation of ANSWER and other similar organizations, the MSM and certain figures in the blogosphere and Hollywood. IMO the Bush-Putin Maine Summit was intended by Bush as a last look at Putin to determine whether he was enemy or friend. IMO Bush decided he is an enemy and will proceed appropriately. This will eventually lead to the bombing of Iran, and a more aggressive military posture in Europe. As well, the first steps to the establishment of a worldwide “Democracy Organization” to marginalize China and Russia going forward. The increasingly aggressive posture of socialist governments in Latin America seems illogical unless supported by powerful allies. This is the Russian version of “soft power”, absent a predominant military. That can come later, and quickly, once the economy is sufficiently revived.
putin’s a thug.
Actually, Russia had the largest defense budget to date this year (to inflation) since World War II.
Putin is still officially a member of the Soviet Communist Party, and its successor, the KPRF. We are dealing with a Marxist-Leninist with an image team and a makeover.
They'll Be Ready!
Here are some hypothetical questions relating to Poland and the three Baltic states relating to Putin's dictatorship:
What if Putin ordered Russian tank divisions to invade all four independent nations. Would there be a swift, united NATO response forcing a Russian withdrawal?
If Iran & Syria, two rouge terrorist exporting states, which Moscow supports with all sorts of military hardware, were to trigger war with Israel, in conjunction with Iran attacking oil tankers in the Persian Gulf as a diversion, what would the West's reaction be, if while the Middle & Near East are going up in flames, Israeli cities are being rocketed by Hezballah terrorists based in southern Lebanon with rocket launchers supplied to Syria by Russia and all of a sudden Russia invades Eastern Poland (as Moscow did in 1939) coupled with Russian naval forces effectively blockading the three Baltic states - until Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania fully accept Putin's demands.
It's all so reminiscent of a previous era when Finland was being invaded & bombed by the Russians in 1939 and finally the brave Finns were forced to relinquish Finnish territory at the end of the Winter War, a war the Russians paid dearly for starting, as well as the defending Finns. After Russia's aggression and theft of Finish soil, it was eastern Poland turn to be jointly invaded not just by Moscow but by Berlin too, then the Baltic states fell to the Russian communist horde and the wholesale murders started by the NKVD, coupled with thousands deported, one way to the frozen hell of Siberia.
How would the White House and Number 10 react to the Kremlin's blatant aggression in Eastern Europe, without going nuclear?
You can bet Putin and his KGB thugs are pondering these 'possibilities', while we are combating Russian supported Iranian and Syrian trained terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.
With Putin making alliances with Syria, Iran, Venezuela, China, etc.. etc... I seriously see a pattern developing in these actions and it’s not good, IMHO.<<<<
Keep in mind also, how many of the jihadi terrorists were trained by KGB, most of the leaders, Arafat was, Zawahiri was and many more.
Stay alert and prepared, read the communist manifesto that I posted here and you see the entire plan.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1853040/posts?page=1911#1911
Thanks for the ping.
Ping.
These can be used to pressure Russia going forward. ==
As well, the first steps to the establishment of a worldwide “Democracy Organization” to marginalize China and Russia going forward.==
Russia’s hawks want this as the “heaven manna”. They beleive in America aggresiveness. And now you will give them a prove.
IMO what you say will bring all us to the limited nuclier war in Europe which may end the history of Poland and few other new members of NATO.
Zawahiri too? I did never hear of it. DO you have some proves?
It’s all so reminiscent of a previous era when Finland was being invaded & bombed by the Russians in 1939 and finally the brave Finns were forced to relinquish Finnish territory at the end of the Winter War, a war the Russians paid dearly for starting, as well as the defending Finns. ==
It was Soviets not Russians. In ranks of Soviet army was many ukranians for example. Stalin the leader of USSR of those times was Georgian.
After Russia’s aggression and theft of Finish soil, it was eastern Poland turn to be jointly invaded not just by Moscow but by Berlin too, then the Baltic states fell to the Russian communist horde and the wholesale murders started by the NKVD, coupled with thousands deported, one way to the frozen hell of Siberia.==
Soviet agreesion. And there were no theft because those Finns signed the separate peace treaty with Bolshevicks in 1920th in which they “stole” those lands. In 1939 Soviet simply got it back.
Same way with Poland they signed thier treaty with Bolshevicks in 1922 and “stole” good chunks of Belorus and Ukraine. In 1939 they lost back it to Soviets.
What if Putin ordered Russian tank divisions to invade all four independent nations. Would there be a swift, united NATO response forcing a Russian withdrawal?==
IMO there will be no response at all except agry rethoric in press because the response will mean that London, Paris AND EVEN wASHINGTON dc will die in the thermonuclier flames.
I don’t mean to be aggressive but let us talk seriously here for a moment. AFAIK you neither Europians nor americans will not sacrifice thier own people for sake of baltic states. That is the main issue here. Do you ready to trade lifes your own family members for sake to punish Russia? I think you are not.
So that is it. Russia has the free hand here until she touches the territories of the VIP states.
Can you explain that photo:)
Your Radio Moscow style propaganda concerning Finland and the Winter War are not up the Kremlin's high standards of 100% absolute lies. Current rating is only 97.8%. You must apply yourself for the sake of Premier Putin's Motherland, as all the loyal Nashi commissars clones diligently do while currently away at summer camp.
You must do better Comrade, really, or it's a long, snowy train ride this coming winter to the northern most portions of Putin's Peoples Paradise :)
Your Radio Moscow style propaganda concerning Finland and the Winter War are not up the Kremlin’s high standards of 100% absolute lies. Current rating is only 97.8%. You must apply yourself for the sake of Premier Putin’s Motherland, as all the loyal Nashi commissars clones diligently do while currently away at summer camp.==
Bla bla. Everyone may check facts I mentioned. You simply afraid that facts contradict your Russophobia:).
Bolshevick recognised Finland in 1918. http://www.histdoc.net/history/itsen2.html So Bolshevicks gave them Russia’ territory in 1918 but in 1939 decided to take some back.
It is teh facts which are stubborn thing:))). I propose that you go educate yourself instead of dessiminate anti-russian hate:).
There are Russians which clearly see any semblance to Russia and a truly democratic republic is nothing but an illusionary pipe dream, with the likes of Putin controlling what is now a high-tech neo-Stalinist totalitarian empire. Many Russians also understand mounting numbers of their fellow countrymen have been murdered on the brutal dictator's direct orders if they publish or speak the truth about the KGB dictatorship., so the issue is not directed at members of the Russian public who fully fathom they do not live in a free nation. Russians who no longer desire to exist in a state of fear should depart Russia, since the Putin régime's inevitable future military aggression/invasions of other independent nations will eventually result in the destruction of vast portions of Russia. Russians who support their 'wonderful' dictator will only have themselves to blame.
The proper term is 'Putinphobia', you know the top KGB thug & his collection of KGB cronies from the 'old days' which he has brought back with an alarming vengeance.
If the Kremlin's leading tyrant continues threatening the British, do not be surprised about the events which will transpire in the future.
Hitler thought largely the same thing in 1941.
He lost that bet, badly.
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And that's pretty indicative of how Russians view every single treaty they've ever signed. Signing a Treaty with Russians is a waste of ink.
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how many of the jihadi terrorists were trained by KGB, most of the leaders, Arafat was, Zawahiri was and many more.==
Zawahiri too? I did never hear of it. DO you have some proves?<<<<<<<
RusIvan, there are many reports, I do not see the Wilson Center in these searches, but a couple years ago, they released declassified papers, that showed the KGB meeting and paying many of the worlds top al-qaeda and any other hater of America.
Sorry, I don’t have the hours to dig them all out, but the links below will get you started.
http://www.worldthreats.com/russia_former_ussr/russian_poisoning.html
http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/93-5429.aspx
Hm.... RUSSIA'S youth admire the Soviet dictator Josef Stalin - who presided over the deaths of millions of people - and want to kick immigrants out of Russia, according to a poll released yesterday. When asked if Stalin was a wise leader, half of the 1,802 respondents, aged from 16 to 19, agreed he was. "Fifty-four per cent agreed that Stalin did more good than bad," said Theodore Gerber, a sociologist from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, who presented the poll. Hmmm...
The way things are going, why wait until that KGB barbarian attacks Eastern Europe, NATO should launch the first strike. (That will draw the lurking Nashi Putin promoters out in the open :)
That percentile, or far higher, supports the current tyrant as well.
Ingrained Despotism of Russia's Rulers 
You labeling all those which warn others of Russia’s current dictator as being “Russophobic” or having a case of “Russophobia” is false.==
Call “Bolshevicks” and “Soviets” as Russians is the Russophobia(just because it is not true and blame Russians for deeds of all Soviets).
Pin on Russia the acts made by whole USSR is teh Russophobia too.
But if you worry about Russia then I presume you should learn what Russia is. For this you should use many differnt sources awhilable. But I see it vividly you know almost nothing about subject unless some Nycvyst like slanders. I’d like to help you with it but you stuck in your Rsusophobia and simply refuse to hear the different things. You pin all facts which contradict your Russoahpbia as teh propaganda although any unbiased watcher may check them. We live in Internet era don’t we?
If the Kremlin’s leading tyrant continues threatening the British, do not be surprised about the events which will transpire in the future.==
Threaten British? Isn’t British just paranoid? The Litvinenko case its just one big hoax devised just for purpose to blackmail Putin into something. Putin just didn’t give up so ahole buckle of the slanders was thrown at him. Anyways in one year Putin will go so who else you and cronies will hate then?:)
http://www.google.com/search?q=+Al+Zawahiri++in+Russia+KGB
BHAHAHAHA:)) Just look closer into your own reference for a moment:). “Zawaharri in KGB” is just one more hoax of R.J. Nyquist which the western press easily dissiminates. I think it is the one manifistation of the western Russophobia. No prove and no nothing plus the wild gossips mixed with the just ill imagination and voa-a-la we have the new press sensation in which all dupes believe wholeheartly. “Yeah yeah it is all this pesky Putin did”:)))). I cann’t cease wondering for what those dupes use thier brains?:))
I give you one more tip. The today huge flooding in the south-westren Britain it is all Putin doing:)). He just flooded Britain to punish her for extradition of 4 Russian diplomats. I give you the great anti-Putin idea for free:). I beleive that the western press may chew this for month.
AFAIK you neither Europians nor americans will not sacrifice thier own people for sake of baltic states...
Hitler thought largely the same thing in 1941.==
Did Hitler bomb the american territory? But that is what I’m talking. Will your sacrifice your own home town where your family live (so do you ready to lose your family?) for sake to punish Russia if she invades baltic states but your territory she won’t touch? That is the main question. My honest answer - NO. Give your honest answer or don’t bother.
Just notice that if I’m right then Russia has just the free hand in eastern Europe and no NATO may stop her.
Did the Bolsheviks & Soviets take over Iceland? Singapore? No, they took over Russia. Your Kremlin propaganda which attempts to paint that Russia was some how controlled by commies for over 75 years, which were not Russians, oh no not a Russian among the NKVD, the KGB, the Politburo, or all the Russian spies slithering all over the West were really spies from Ireland who had plastic surgery to look like Russians - please Sir, next you will assert the bloody Bolsheviks must have originated from Mars.
Is Comrade Putin Russian? Or was his KGB training taken in Portugal, maybe Norway? You can't have it both ways. Russia has always been ruled by monsters, dictators of the worst sort, and today nothing has changed except the suits and ties. Putin is a die-hard KGb commie to the bone and you know it.
"Threaten British? Isn’t British just paranoid?"
Now that reads like a typical headline from the front pages of Tass or Pravda.
Putin Will Expand Spy Network to Counter `Imbalances' With U.S.
Huge fire after natural-gas pipeline break outside St Petersburg
Is Premier Putin going to blame the British for this natural gas line fire?
Putin intensifies rhetoric against Britain
"The Litvinenko case its just one big hoax devised just for purpose to blackmail Putin into something. Putin just didn’t give up so ahole buckle of the slanders was thrown at him."
Now you are reading directly from the KGB's script.
Have you removed your 'American' made shoe and are banging it the table, as Comrade Khrushchev did as he yelled "We will bury you!"?
Putin will bury Russia in the future by his own actions.
"Anyways in one year Putin will go so who else you and cronies will hate then?:)"
Russians would put Putin back in the Kremlin -poll
Who knows, maybe the closer the 2008 elections draw near there will be another sudden rash of Moscow apartments terrorist bombings making it 'impossible' for Premier Putin to step down as Russia's dictator.
Putin will be pulling the strings no matter who is 'elected' in the upcoming 2008 rigged Russian 'elections'.
Is your statement an admission the Russians are manipulating the weather, along with their domestic news? :)
I am so sorry, as I expected you to be able to read more than the top line of the searches........
You found what you wanted to find.
As for Russia changing the weather, they have done that for years, and no that information did not come from the internet.
Russia once offered to change the weather with a typhoon, when one of the Pacific countries, Indonesia or near there had many forest fires.
That was on the world news, late 1990’s or early 2000.
If you want more information, you can go and google for what you want it to say.
The funny thing is that Russia can change the weather, they offered once to use it to blow the smoke away, from forest fires.
I am Laughing, it appears that England is already talking about
Russia’s gift of a flood, thanks Ivan for the tip, as I had not thought of it.
According to this page, Russia sells the weather changing machines:
Yes, the UK is considering the chances of Russia being the cause of their bad weather, this report, appears to be high on their minds:
Buzzed by the bear - RAF tornados scramble to meet Russian intruders
by CHRISTIAN GYSIN - More by this author » Last updated at 23:16pm on 20th July 2007
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=623757
Are the Russians Manipulating our weather ?
The UK is not playing the Kremlin's games, boots out more of Putin's spies and then the massive flooding gets worse(?)
It makes one ponder considering Putin's devious and brutal track record.
One of the link you supplied stated that the Russians "would create a massive typhoon that would blow the cloud layer away.." One has to wonder about the Russian named hurricane 'Katrina'.
We also need to wonder what is transpiring on the homefront as well.
There was a lot of talk last year about Katrina, something about the photos of it still at sea, showing a line of color that could have been caused by a weather helper machine.
I do not have an education in science or weather making, so did not dwell on it.
I have known for 15 or more years that the use of weather in a war, was possible.
There is so much going on, that I cannot catch it all.
Every so often I take a look at Russia’s spies, they say that we and the rest of the world have more of them here, than during the cold war.
Australia has just caught several.
Of course, if you get bored with Russia, there is always China to look at.
Yep. American ships on the high seas are American territory.
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The last time Russia had a 'free hand' in Eastern Europe you murdered a couple of million people and enslaved the rest for half a century.
Trust me, Ivan. It's highly unlikely you'll get away with that a second time.
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How did he get his hands on the Rove Weather-Making machine?
How did he get his hands on the Rove Weather-Making machine?<<<
Now why didn’t I think of that?
Did he buy it from Russia?
Or is Rove also KGB?
Thanks, I needed to laugh.
Was it the Bolsheviks' land to give? How did they take it back if it was never theirs in the first place? Don't you mean to say Russia took its land back? Or was it the Bolsheviks? You say the two are different things, but then you seem to confuse them, when it comes to defending Stalinist aggression against non-Russians. You need to get your story straight. Do you support what the Bolsheviks did or not? It seems that the answer is that you support what they did, as long as they did it to non-Russians.
If Russia invades America's Baltic allies, we will respond just as if Russia had invaded America itself. It will be the end of the world. What about mutually assured destruction don't you understand, Ivan? Start a war with us or our allies and you doom the whole world. That's the simple fact, and that's why you will back down. All your bluster is just bluff, and we are calling your bluff, because we know you are full of crap.
Did the Bolsheviks & Soviets take over Iceland? Singapore? No, they took over Russia.==
Over Russian Empire accually. Russia is only half of Russian Empire population and 60% of territory.
Russia was some how controlled by commies for over 75 years, which were not Russians, oh no not a Russian among the NKVD, the KGB, the Politburo, or all the Russian spies slithering all over the West were really spies from Ireland who had plastic surgery to look like Russians - please Sir, next you will assert the bloody Bolsheviks must have originated from Mars.==
I presume you must to look it closer in where those Bolshevicks cam from. I repeat you thousand time that I did NEVER tell that no Russian were amongst Bolshevick. I just tell you that Russians were the MINORITY between them. Bolshevicks consisted of the many ethnicities of Russian Empire and whole world. Even few american communists like John Reid the commie writer was amongst them. Will you blame America for that?:)
Is your statement an admission the Russians are manipulating the weather, along with their domestic news? :)==
Yeah yeah:) And New Orlean flooding it is Putin guilt too:))) Sell this sensation to the R.J Nyquist. I presume he didn’t blame Russians for that yet:)).
Are the Russians Manipulating our weather ?==
Yeah next time Russia will cause the earthquke 9.0 in Britain. Russia knows how to invioke the earth quakes too:). Beware Russophobes:))))).
Don’t you mean to say Russia took its land back? Or was it the Bolsheviks?==
Bolshevicks took it back.
Do you support what the Bolsheviks did or not?==
No I’m not. Because Bolshevicks did many territorial changes. The most of them are against the best interests of Russia. So if we reject today ALL I emphasize ALL Bolshevick territorial changes then Russia will benefit of it. Russia will get the russian territories which Bolshevicks gave Ukraine and Kazakhstan. I’m totally agree to exchange them for that smal patch of land taken form Finland in 1939. But only as the exchange I emphasize.
If it was about weather modification, which Moscow does, it would still apply.
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