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Tour de France - Stage 16 - July 25
Tour Website ^ | 7/25/07 | Aeronaut

Posted on 07/25/2007 1:47:30 AM PDT by Aeronaut

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To: commish
Nothing n AP either. I was watching BBC and the newscaster was reading it right off the wire.

Said they received warnings prior to explosions. Said Separatist claimed responsibility for it.

Is the tour doing the leg of the tour that goes near Spain right now???

51 posted on 07/25/2007 6:09:16 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: leilani

Here are the 8 riders who were tested: Robert Hunter (stage winner), Michael Rasmussen (yellow-jersey leader), Maxim Iglinskiy, Erik Zabel, Lilian Jegou, Cristian Morini, Kim Kirchen and Patxi Vila.


52 posted on 07/25/2007 6:09:25 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion

Sorry, meant to ping to you too for post #48.


53 posted on 07/25/2007 6:09:57 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: NittanyLion

No inside scoop or proof here,but for some reason I would bet it will be either Rasmussen or Zabel


54 posted on 07/25/2007 6:11:04 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: mware
Yes, they are in the Pyrenees.

Is the tour doing the leg of the tour that goes near Spain right now???

55 posted on 07/25/2007 6:12:23 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: commish; Vaquero

I’ve already put my money on Rasmussen. If it’s Zabel, I’ll pick up the tab for the next round of Gerbils.


56 posted on 07/25/2007 6:17:20 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: leilani
Hey R4F! Already back from the Transpac? ;-)

You missed some squalls around here.

57 posted on 07/25/2007 6:29:25 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: Ready4Freddy

Oops, a misping. Let’s try that again. (These gerbils are making me kinda loopy, I think. Gettin’ sloppy.)


58 posted on 07/25/2007 6:36:44 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: NittanyLion

Eight were tested, including Hunter and Rasmussen.


60 posted on 07/25/2007 7:08:48 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Baynative
From eurosport this am:

Wednesday's 16th stage was delayed when the six French and two German teams competing in the race protested against doping.

The teams, Agritubel, AG2r, Francaise des Jeux, Bouygues Telecom, Cofidis, Credit Agricole, Gerolsteiner and T-Mobile, have formed a Movement for a Credible Cycling, asking for all teams to abide by their good behaviour charter of 2005.

Overall leader Michael Rasmussen was jeered at the sign-on following revelations that he has been warned for missing four random doping controls in the past two years.

(IOW, they think his non-compliance with testing requirements means he's not as serious as they are about un-doping the sport, so they booed him.)

61 posted on 07/25/2007 7:36:23 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: Aeronaut

Yes, but that was a rather hilly one as TT go - the next one will be flatter, and he will have a tougher time doing as well against some of the true time trialists


62 posted on 07/25/2007 7:39:20 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: Baynative
There’s been too much drama to keep up with but I believe it’s because he “missed” two urine tests and basically said he forgot or was too busy.

Verses declared last year "the tour of chaos," but it's nothing compared to this year.
63 posted on 07/25/2007 7:40:19 AM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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To: leilani
I would add that even Lance Armstrong has weighed in on Rasmussen's failure to make himself available:

(from AP yesterday)

"Lance Armstrong said he had no sympathy for cyclists who fail to report their whereabouts for drug tests."

"It's 2007, everyone's accessible by cell phone, e-mail or Blackberry," Armstrong told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "I declared where I was 365 days a year. Everybody has to play by the same rules."

So it's pretty safe to say there's some resentment against Ras in the peloton.

64 posted on 07/25/2007 7:40:23 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: Vaquero

try getting behind discovery - an American team, and its up and coming star Contador
If he pans out the way he looks this year, he may rival Lance in the future


65 posted on 07/25/2007 7:40:49 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: beebuster2000

IT is almost impossible to prove innocence once the accusation is made in cycling. The cards are stacked against the cyclist, the testing is only done at one lab (FRENCH lab to boot, as if they don’t have a dog to hunt in the results) and the international body has NEVER found for the cyclist in disputed cases. Guilty or not, I don’t blame Vino for his remarks.

I doubt Landis is guilty - taking testosterone the night before a big stage would do NOTHING for your performance in that stage. He had nothing to gain and everything to loose

I think the only way to go forward is to declare amnesty for all past incidents (since there is no way to prove one way or the other if doping was involved, the samples are destroyed or lost), start from now with a strict policy with testing in 3-4 independent labs in different countries.


66 posted on 07/25/2007 7:45:59 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: Mom MD
testing in 3-4 independent labs in different countries.

That's the key if they want the public to regain some confidence and get everybody on the same page.

67 posted on 07/25/2007 7:51:52 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: leilani

Levi has just attacked to put Ras in a “little spot of bother”!


68 posted on 07/25/2007 7:54:48 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Now that Astana’s gone,& Disco doesn’t have anybody to conspire with to defeat Rasmussen in the flat stage, what do you think they’ll do tomorrow?


69 posted on 07/25/2007 8:29:34 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: leilani
Discovery with Levi and Contador took on Rasmussen in the last few Ks but it was Discovery who cracked and The Chicken takes the stage win.

It appears Levi cracked Contador on that on.

70 posted on 07/25/2007 8:38:31 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: leilani
Do we know yet who it was that supposedly tested positive for testosterone? If it was Rasmussen, that obviously changes any strategy the other teams might have.

I don't know if Disco is willing to just fight it out for a couple of podium spots in the final TT, or if they will try something dramatic to reel in Rasmussen in one of the remaining flat stages. I don't know enough about the sport to know how realistic that would be.
71 posted on 07/25/2007 8:42:44 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Steve_Seattle; commish

L’Equipe is reporting the positive test was
the Italian rider Cristian Moreni of Cofidis.
(I owe everybody a gerbil I guess!)


72 posted on 07/25/2007 8:50:12 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: Steve_Seattle
Sorry, Here's the link but it's in French.
73 posted on 07/25/2007 8:52:14 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: PeteB570
It appears Levi cracked Contador on that one

Yes, that was a surprise. But Contador's just a baby. He did phenomenally today considering - think how this guy will rule the tour when he's a little more seasoned.

74 posted on 07/25/2007 8:55:22 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: leilani

Rasmussen takes Stage 16
By VeloNews.com

Rasmussen extends his lead with a stage win

Michael Rasmussen (Rabobank) won the 16th stage of the Tour de France on Wednesday, a 218.5 kilometres ride from Orthez to the Col de l’Aubisque.

Rasmussen also extended his lead in the overall standings - he leads Spanish rival Alberto Contador (Discovery Channel) by 3 minutes and 10 seconds. Third-placed Australian Cadel Evans (Predictor-Lotto) lost more time and is now 5:03 adrift.

The Dane, impervious seemingly to the furor over his racing here after receiving four warnings for missing out-of-competition doping ccontrols over the past two years, came home 24 seconds ahead of American Levi Leipheimer (Discovery Channel) while Contador took third at 35 seconds back.

Rasmussen said he had opted to use a different strategy than the one he had employed in Monday’s 15th stage, when Contador had given him endless problems by constantly attacking and trying to break his resistance.

Leipheimer takes second

photo: AFP

“On Monday I was finding it tough to follow him,” said Rasmussen. “So I decided to use a different strategy today (Wednesday) and go at my tempo.

“It worked perfectly because he blew up.”

Rasmussen added that he hoped now more Danes would believe he could see the task through and stand atop the podium in Paris on Sunday - a poll had suggested that a majority of those asked did not believe he would.

“Maybe some have changed their minds after this stage,” he said. “I have over a three minute lead over Contador and I would look to extend that in Saturday’s time trial.”

The stage had begun with a protest by eight teams, six French and two German, over the persistent doping scandals, which saw Alexander Vinokourov thrown out of the race on Tuesday after failing a test for blood doping. His team, Astana, withdrew after a request from the race organizers.

When racing finally got under way, Spaniard Carlos Sastre (CSC) had launched an attack from a long way out way out from the finish, along with compatriot Iban Mayo (Saunier Duval-Prodir) and king of the mountains leader Mauricio Soler (Barloworld).

They caught the early leaders, but Sastre, who was continually the more aggressive of that trio, was reeled in on the final climb by Rasmussen, Contador, Evans and Leipheimer.

Contador did try to attack on several occasions but never succeeded in distancing himself from either Rasmussen, while Leipheimer successfully came back to the other two 5km from the summit - however, neither he nor the Spaniard had any answer to Rasmussen’s final burst.

Stage 16
1. Michael Rasmussen (Dk), Rabobank, 6:23:21
2. Levi Leipheimer (USA), Discovery Channel, at 0:26
3. Alberto Contador (Sp), Discovery Channel, at 0:35
4. Cadel Evans (Aus), Predictor-Lotto, at 0:43
5. Juan Mauricio Soler (Sp), Barloworld, at 1:25

Overall
1. Michael Rasmussen (Dk), Rabobank, 76:15:15
2. Alberto Contador (Sp), Discovery, at 3:10
3. Cadel Evans (Aus), Predictor-Lotto, at 5:03
4. Levi Leipheimer (USA), Discovery, at 5:59
5. Carlos Sastre (Sp). CSC, at 9:12

http://www.velonews.com/tour2007/details/articles/12929.0.html


75 posted on 07/25/2007 9:10:00 AM PDT by hardback
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To: Steve_Seattle

Can Levi get 0:56 back in the ITT Saturday for a podium shot at Paris?


76 posted on 07/25/2007 9:11:00 AM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback

Since Ras is safe from dopage control people, and barring a total crackup by him in the TT on Sat., I think we saw the podium in Paris finish today 1 -2 - 3 on your list.


77 posted on 07/25/2007 9:13:53 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: leilani

What is the protocol if Levi gains something like 0:45 in the ITT, will the other riders let them match race it out for the podium on the Champs?


78 posted on 07/25/2007 9:24:37 AM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback

I don’t know.(I’m not a good person to ask because I’m really here mostly to watch scenery, lol!) But since I can remember, it seems like Lance or somebody already had it wrapped up by then, so it was a champagne-sipping kumbaya stroll down the Champs.But I think these guys would be almost as crazy as Vino is stupid not to fight to the end if Rasmussen chokes in the TT & gives them an opening!


79 posted on 07/25/2007 9:35:40 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: Baynative

Rasmussen made himself absent on four occasions when he was supposed to be available for drug tests. This is what has led to his suspension from the Danish Olympic team for Beijing next year.


80 posted on 07/25/2007 9:47:30 AM PDT by laconic (ence)
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To: laconic

But since we now know that it was a Cofidis rider who tested positive for testosterone, it makes ya wonder whether he (Cristian Moreni) participated in that little demonstration his teammates held against Rasmussen this morning, doesn’t it?


81 posted on 07/25/2007 10:20:26 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: leilani

ESPN is reporting that Moreni was removed from the Cofidas team bus and lead away by French police after today’s stage. Report also said Moreni has admitted doping and did not request that his B sample be tested


82 posted on 07/25/2007 10:25:43 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: Mom MD
I doubt Landis is guilty - taking testosterone the night before a big stage would do NOTHING for your performance in that stage. He had nothing to gain and everything to loose

The one scenario I've heard that makes a little sense is that he blood doped with his own blood (a la the Operation Puerto case) and the testosterone was present in the old blood, from when he was using it in the off season. Not saying that's what happened--Floyd was well within his training parameters when he pulled off that amazing ride to take the yellow back--but that's one way the test makes sense.

83 posted on 07/25/2007 10:31:50 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: commish

WOW. So he was actually busted. L’Equipe had a little snippet a while ago that said the police had launched a search over at the hotel housing Cofidis yesterday while all the other stuff was happening with Vino & Astana.Sounds like they might have caught somebody redhanded.


84 posted on 07/25/2007 10:33:20 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: Vision

It is ETA


85 posted on 07/25/2007 10:34:17 AM PDT by drzz
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To: leilani
Here is the News Blurb -- it is from Fox Sports not ESPN.

GOURETTE, France (AP) - Another Tour de France rider - Italian Cristian Moreni - failed a doping test and was led away by police at the end of Wednesday's 16th stage.

"He accepted his wrongdoing and did not ask for a B-sample," said Eric Boyer, manager of Moreni's Cofidis team. Athletes who are caught doping are entitled to ask for follow-up tests to confirm - and in rare cases deny - the results of the initial "A" sample.

Police were seen leading Moreni away from the Cofidis team bus. It was unclear where they were taking him.

The French sports newspaper L'Equipe said on its Web site that Moreni tested positive for testosterone after stage 11 of the Tour last Thursday.

86 posted on 07/25/2007 10:36:42 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: commish
The team manager has given a statement, also up now at l'Equipe where he says (rough translation, maybe Drzz can correct errors?) that Christian apologizes to everybody, accepts responsibility, clears the medical team of participating, & refuses testing of the second sample because he knows it has been doped.

The manager also accepts responsibility himself for not being there in the difficult moments when Moreni succumbed to temptation & will be talking to those in charge of the team to discuss the situation & make a decision (about a resignation himself, I presume.)

Well, at least he's coming right out with it, then. (Unless the cops found stuff in his room yesterday & he had no choice.)

87 posted on 07/25/2007 11:03:23 AM PDT by leilani (!)
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To: leilani
JUst announced - the entire COFIDIS team has pulled out of the Tour de France.

DAMN DAMN DAMN

88 posted on 07/25/2007 12:12:51 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: leilani

Hey leilani! Well, the big boys are in, with Pyewacket taking the Barn Door, but a J-125 (42’) is also home!

Morning Light & Sam Ba Ti are still match racing, coupla days out.


89 posted on 07/25/2007 12:15:59 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: hardback
"Can Levi get 0:56 back in the ITT Saturday for a podium shot at Paris?"

Evans is a pretty good TT guy, so it won't be easy.
90 posted on 07/25/2007 12:21:12 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: hardback
What is the protocol if Levi gains something like 0:45 in the ITT, will the other riders let them match race it out for the podium on the Champs?

No - the only realistic chance riders have of making up time is during the time trial. And of the top 4 Evans is the best time trialer. I'd expect Rasmussen will be first by about 1:00, Evans and Contador will be nearly tied for second, and Leipheimer will be about 2:30 behind Rasmussen.

91 posted on 07/25/2007 12:21:19 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion

Well, Greg Lemond did come back from something like 10 seconds down to win back in 1986 on the Champs in Paris, so I’m guessing it has to be a small time amount for an abbreviated match race-plus the sprint bonuses on the way. (but that was for the whole tour back in the day!)


92 posted on 07/25/2007 12:24:50 PM PDT by hardback
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To: leilani


93 posted on 07/25/2007 12:33:52 PM PDT by hardback
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To: hardback; leilani

‘twas 1989, hardback. Lemond put a stunning 58” on Laurent Fignon in 24.5km (started 50” down, won the stage by 8”). Fignon was battling saddle sores, but Lemond averaged >54kph pushing huge gears.

No kumbaya stroll that year! ;>)


94 posted on 07/25/2007 12:40:06 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy ("Everyone knows there's a difference between Muslims and terrorists. No one knows what it is, tho...)
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To: leilani

Well at least Moreni admitted it, although he might not have had a choice. A bit unlike Tyler Hamilton and his “disappearing twin”, whom I suspect looked an awful lot like Jan Ullrich.


95 posted on 07/25/2007 12:41:40 PM PDT by laconic (ence)
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To: hardback
Well, Greg Lemond did come back from something like 10 seconds down to win back in 1986 on the Champs in Paris, so I’m guessing it has to be a small time amount for an abbreviated match race-plus the sprint bonuses on the way.

True, but Lemond made up that time in a time trial into Paris. Without a time trial into Paris all the teams will ride onto the Champs together, and there's no way anyone of significance will get clear of the peloton once there.

96 posted on 07/25/2007 12:42:47 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: commish

Yesterday was a bummer, and today is too.


97 posted on 07/25/2007 12:43:50 PM PDT by Cecily
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To: Ready4Freddy

arrgh, my memory is failing me! Still would be good to see Levi rewared with the bronze...


98 posted on 07/25/2007 12:44:12 PM PDT by hardback
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To: NittanyLion

But the time bonuses could play a major factor if the margin is less than 0:15, although the sprinters will probably try and gobble those up.


99 posted on 07/25/2007 12:46:18 PM PDT by hardback
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To: Aeronaut

100 Aero!


100 posted on 07/25/2007 12:50:56 PM PDT by leilani (!)
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