Posted on 07/25/2007 6:25:09 AM PDT by paudio
By the time Tammy Faye Messner died Friday, the outspoken, fake-eyelash-donning 65-year-old had gone from Christian televangelist to reviled woman to gay icon. How did Messner become a gay icon?
With fabulousness and honesty. Tammy Faye's religious background made her an unlikely object for this kind of adulation, but in many ways she had the classic profile of a gay icon. Like many others, she became celebrated for her perseverance. She fell from grace (and lost much of her money) when it was discovered that her husband, Jim Bakker, had cheated on her and swindled their followers out of $158 million. But Tammy Faye talked openly about her pain on TV and stood by her man after his conviction, singing at a press conference, "On Christ the solid rock I stand/ All other ground is sinking sand." Her refusal to change her unique style—runny mascara, gawdy jewelry, and all—also made her icon-worthy.
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You said it badeye!!!
100% agree
Calling her a Christian in the first place stretches reality.
Christians should minister to homosexuals. That said, I would say that Tammy Faye did not choose HER ministers very well . . .
Thanks.
‘Calling her a Christian in the first place stretches reality.’
Not my place to say, and I suspect she’s had an interesting ‘journey’ since passing.
Exactly. TO say she didn’t know what her husband was doing is just comical. If your husband is a preacher,a nd he’s bringing hom millions of dollars, who wouldn’t know the church members weren’t being fleeced.
Paul, the Apostle, my personal hero was a tent maker, and lived in a rented house in Rome, and never took a cent from anyone. Jesus gives us everything freely, and we are to give freely. We aren’t to be money-obsessed black holes of greed. I guess Jesus said that it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man (or woman) to get into Heaven, for His health.
re: spinning in her grave. Tammy Faye was cremated.
SPELL CHECK! gaudy, no?
This jewelry is so awful it makes you say Oh Gawd! Maybe if you misspell it, you aren't taking the Lord's name in vain.
Aids has nothing to do with Tammy’s shallowness.
“How did Messner become a gay icon?”
Anybody with fake eyelashes that big was bound to attract homos.
What I always wanted to hear from Tammy Faye was an apology to all the people she and Jimmie Bakker fleeced. I would have loved to have heard her say, “I’m sorry. Taking money (supposedly for a ministry) and using it feather our own nest was wrong.” Unfortunately, she continued to deny they did anything wrong. Was she willfully ignorant or just ignorant? Jim Bakker is continuing his “work” with a newer, prettier version of a Tammy Faye — and still begging for money so they can stay on the air. Tammy Faye made plans with a married man (Roe). She divorced Jim while he was in prison. Roe divorced his wife and married TF. Roe was sent to prison for, hmmm, was it tax fraud? I don’t get it.
Looks resembling a drag queen perhaps?
My girls take piano lessons in a slightly seedy MA city. Each week we stop at Dunkin' Donuts. Last week a man, sitting alone, struck up a conversation with us. "That's what it's all about man. A father and his daughters sharing some donuts together." He was sad because his wife had left him for another man, and moved out of state. He said he didn't want to battle over custody because "a child should have a mother and father." He was obviously heartbroken.
Three weeks ago a tough biker-looking guy offered to buy some donuts for my girls. He wouldn't take no for an answer. He even bought them milks. Then he said, "Girls, do a good deed every day."
All I could think of was, "Blessed are the poor..."
Don't forget the ending.
"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God." When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?" Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Exactly. No where in the Bible does it say that when you become a Christian, your earthly problems are solved. In fact, Jesus always tried to thin the herd- telling them if they didn’t forsake all they weren’t fit to be His disciples, or if you build a tower you count the costs before hand, or when He said you must consume His flesh and drink His blood— these things were offensive back then, and offensive to us today. I would argue that when you become a Christian, that’s when your troubles start. God wants us to be prepared for this. These snake-oil salesmen who wear alligator boots and have tote boards telling you how many millions more God needs are just comical.
I agree. We do not have the ability to truly judge the whole of a person. Each of us has strong points and weaknesses - many of them due to genetic makeup, others due to life experiences and some just due to flaws in our mental abilities.
God sees the “why” some things are hard for one and not the other. God sees the life experiences causing our “quirks”, so only God can truly judge.
Man judges on man’s view knowing only a tenth of the whole.
And we cannot judge the heart - but God knows the heart.
I have always found that to be true for me. I've often turned to God for help when things got really hard only to find that's when stuff really hit the fan. A test of faith, I think, but by God or the devil? I've never been certain.
We are to discern the false teachers among us as there are many.
The reason I always respected Billy Graham was that he never begged for money and he always made sure there was another person with him in the company of women. If you will note, he was never asking you to send funds - which is quite different from the online preachers that ask you to plant the seed of faith with some of your funds.
Notice how they teach that you plant the seed of faith by sending money and that doing so will insure your wealth - they have corrupted the message.
Jesus never promised wealth - he taught sacrifice.
Being a Christian does not exclude us from the problems of human life on earth - but it does give us the best friend in the world to go through the hard times. There is no better friend than Jesus.
Non-believers will never believe that there is comfort received from God - but any Christian can tell you.
Non-believers cannot see or understand that comfort and the why we love Jesus - it is totally foreign to them and they judge with outsider’s eyes.
But, it is their loss. They go through life with no true friend, with no comfort from God during the hard times and no future after death. And, they do not even know what they are giving up. Amazing.
I have the gift of discernment but I won’t judge anyone based on that. God is not happy when we do that, CC. You don’t know her heart, and neither do I. She’s dead now and it doesn’t matter, but I refuse to heap judgement upon her.
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