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Missing from 'Harry Potter" – a real moral struggle,
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 07.25.2007 | By Jenny Sawyer

Posted on 07/25/2007 1:00:58 PM PDT by meandog

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To: Revolting cat!
Once the lemming mania has died, no one is going to reado those 4,195 pages. Wait 5 years.

Actually, I'd give it ten before the entire series is turned into a television series, which will be able to show the entire stories, not just select portions, and spend time developing some of the minor characters using background notes that never made it into print.

And seven years is typical for TV contracts and syndication deals, so it fits in with the seven books fairly well.

In any case, the first book stands alone quite nicely, so I can see it added to many suggested summer reading lists, which will be a great way to entice kids to read further.

321 posted on 07/29/2007 1:46:52 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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To: ECM
I’ve read the first book and part of the second—she’s a hack.

Then you should try reading the third book where she wasn't edited as much and had a little more control over things. (Plus, it's one of the best in the series.)

322 posted on 07/29/2007 1:50:54 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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To: billbears
When I was the age of these kids reading Potter, I was reading the first of Asimov's Foundation trilogy. There was a story behind it but it had less to do with morality as the author is speaking of.

Okay, I know of 8-10 years olds that have started the Potter series. Most that I knew that starting "Foundation" prior to, say, senior year in high school couldn't get through the first book, or if they did, they really didn't know what was going on. Granted, Foundation did have a story behind it, which was originally entitled "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire". Sheesh, to rip of a classic like that, the guy must've been a hack!

TS
;-)

323 posted on 07/29/2007 1:56:40 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Muggle when I married her.)
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To: w1andsodidwe
Because the books were good. Word of mouth and the internet generated the buzz over the books, which really started with the third or fourth book in the series.

I remember originally not wanting to read the series unless I could get the British edition, when I found out that Scholastic "dumbed down" the original, by changing its title. (Yeah, well, that never happened and I eventually got the U.S. versions.)

324 posted on 07/29/2007 2:00:12 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Muggle when I married her.)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Why the personal slam? I know what allegory means. Again, my comments were not about the author's intent, please don't try to make it so. But it would seem that you aren't wanting to listen to what I am saying. Oh well. I tried to show that someone who tried to make the claim that this is allegory for Christ is a false claim and actually is anti-gospel.

btw, being "preachy" isn't a bad thing according to Paul :)
I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions...

325 posted on 07/29/2007 2:27:09 PM PDT by lupie
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To: WWTD
And what redeemed Snape was also love.

Funny thing about the article -- the reason people "love" Snape's character isn't because of his moral struggle, but because he's an enigma. We don't know which way his moral compass is pointing. Of course, this isn't surprising. We know whose name is in the title and whose POV the series takes on. Only one character gets internalized throughout the series.

326 posted on 07/29/2007 2:44:56 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Muggle when I married her.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Foundation (started) 4th grade, LOTR 4th into 5th grade. I was a weird kid. I found Asimov, as well as Piers Anthony (probably 6th grade when I discovered him), too verbose (in their different manners). Course having Asimov as my first introduction into ‘hard’ sci-fi has affected me as I tend to shy away from authors that put the technology ahead of the story. My algebra teacher in 7th grade put me in the back of the class and gave me Stephen King books to read to prevent me from asking questions ;)


327 posted on 07/29/2007 2:54:10 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: wolfinator
Don’t get me wrong, I love the Rings books. But for me, Frodo’s struggle was an interesting side plot, not the major story.

And also it isn't a true comparison, because the Lord of the Rings is not a children's fantasy tale. "The Hobbit", on the other hand, is, and Bilbo doesn't have any moral conflicts. In fact in LotR, Gandalf states that it's because of the inherent goodness within Bilbo that he never fell victim to the Ring in all those years that he had it.

328 posted on 07/29/2007 3:58:35 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Muggle when I married her.)
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To: Oberon
As a Christian homeschooling father I've read the Potter books myself and let my children read them, for one purpose only: To teach my children how to tell great literature from potentially toxic brain candy.

Great idea. What are you using for toxic brain candy? Entertainment Weekly and People Magazine spring to mind as well as every "novel" every written based on a character from the television series "Full House".

329 posted on 07/29/2007 4:35:51 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Muggle when I married her.)
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To: zencat
At the age most of these kids are reading this drivel, I was reading Heinlein, Clarke, and Asimov.

Ah, that explains much! If you're brought up on a steady diet of Hard SF (not even the running the spectrum, as it were), then why in the world would you even waste your time on fantasy novels. Much too soft.

Actually, there isn't any magic in Harry Potter at all, anyway. It's all just sufficiently advanced techology (you know, the nanobots at the core of the wands reproducing themselves through verbal commands and telepathic instructions). But don't worry, after book 7 the magic goes away.

330 posted on 07/29/2007 4:39:45 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Muggle when I married her.)
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To: apillar
Although, I enjoyed most of the Harry Potter series, I was disappointed with Deathly Hallows and felt the ending felt tacked on and "too easy". JKR just seemed to have decided to take the easy way out, and go for the "Happily Ever After" Hollywood ending. After all the talk JKR made about a "price would be paid" and "sacrifices would be made", there really weren't any sacrifices made among the major characters (unless you count Snape, and his death was so expected as to almost be a given).

I still haven't figured out the "that was too easy" argument that I've heard from people that apparently thought that Harry should die, even though it's been known for several books that one must die at the hand of the other. I never had a doubt that Harry was going to live through it and the series wouldn't be worth ever reading again if he was going to die and everything he did was for nothing. Dumbledore didn't raise a lamb to be slaughtered.

By the end of the book I almost felt I was watching an old episode of Star Trek where Harry, Ron and Hermione where like Kirk, Spock, and McCoy who always escaped unscathed while several red shirt security personnel would die.

Unscathed?? Were you reading the same book as I was? Perhaps Harry should've lost the ear instead of George? Harry had everything taken from him that mattered: starting with Dumbledore, then his owl, his broom (the one thing he was really good at, if you recall), his friend Ron (ok, yeah, he came back later after some more trials and tribulations) and his wand. He was left with one item: his cloak. Maybe the centurions should've gambled for that after he died.

Also, the epilogue seemed so contrived as to have been written by a junior high student who just had a few minutes left to tack on some fluff at the end... Let's see, everyone marries their Hogwarts sweetheart, breeds like rabbits (I guess to make up for the action none of them seemed to get during the series...)

OH,NO!! They were being fruitful and mutliplying! After not engaging in any pre-marital sex for seven long years, and I bet they were long years, especially the last few. All those lonely nights camping in the woods, and yet they never gave into any kind of temptation even though the end of the world might be at hand.

And I find it odd that 3 kids is breeding like rabbits.

331 posted on 07/29/2007 4:50:33 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Muggle when I married her.)
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To: lupie; SuziQ
Why the personal slam?

There was no "personal slam" in my post. Merely trying to point out that you weren't listening.

You still aren't.

332 posted on 07/30/2007 5:08:51 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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