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Missing from 'Harry Potter" – a real moral struggle,
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 07.25.2007 | By Jenny Sawyer

Posted on 07/25/2007 1:00:58 PM PDT by meandog

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To: antiRepublicrat

The hatred comes from the church, they feel threatened for some reason and have attacked it from day one.


61 posted on 07/25/2007 1:29:22 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: goodwithagun

So by that argument do you think children should be allowed to smoke, drink, and have sex to decide on their own if it is good or bad for them?

Studies have proven that kids do take stock in what they read and see on tv and emulate certain behaviors and adopt certain beliefs based those viewings if allowed to watch and digest without parental supervisor or prevention.

I for one prefer my children to grow up with good foundation then once in the late teens or college years they can decide on certain moral dilemmas armed with a good Christian base to fall back on.


62 posted on 07/25/2007 1:30:12 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Emrys
I could not put my finger on what it was about these novels that bothered me apart from the appallingly bad writing, why I did not find them compelling or even readable. This article explains it.

It clarified things for me and mine also. No one in my family was able to get much past the first book. Of course we have all been exposed to a significantly more substantial caliber of literature. Probably good beginnings in reading independently for the babysitter’s club set, or for kids who are stuck with the public school’s appalling reading lists.

63 posted on 07/25/2007 1:30:12 PM PDT by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: WWTD

Agreed.

The Potter books are amusing, entertaining and fairly well-written. There are many things about them that are ingenious and very clever.

I loved the bits where portraits come alive and visit one another and the fat old knight jumps from frame to frame on his pony to show the kids how to find their way, I think in book one.

Lighten up everybody.


64 posted on 07/25/2007 1:30:34 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: Positive

This judgement comming from a murderous cult mouth piece, founded by a charlatan fraud is not worth spit.

huh?


65 posted on 07/25/2007 1:31:13 PM PDT by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: meandog
Yes sir, she sure is a hack... A hack worth $1,000,000,000 dollars. (That's billion Dr. Evil...) I WANT TO BE A HACK, PLEASE, CAN I HUH, CAN I? Jeez louise... Oh yeah, I forgot, Harry Potter is the Devil or whatever...
66 posted on 07/25/2007 1:32:09 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Fred Thompson has cooties, neener neener neener...)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Rowlings is a hack, without reading a word I agree.

Nonsense! You're opinion...not having read a word the woman's written...isn't worth the bandwidth your post consumes.

67 posted on 07/25/2007 1:33:27 PM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: lovecraft
Not with Zombies again. You know they are all over at KOS...
68 posted on 07/25/2007 1:34:39 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Fred Thompson has cooties, neener neener neener...)
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To: JenB
Harry has to decide to walk to his own death. Willingly. Consciously.

You mean like -- gasp -- Jesus Christ???

<SARCASM>Nnnnnnnooooooo! Surely all of those never-read-it "EEEEeekk!" sayers cannot be wrong; there just CAN'T be any Christian imagery in "Potter"! Far less anything so clearly messianic.</SARCASM>

69 posted on 07/25/2007 1:34:45 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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To: billbears

Well other than Wuthering Heights which is a torture tool to be used only when they’ve done something extremely bad

Great Expectations was my torture tool in 7th grade. Read out loud for us in a hi-pitched nasal voice by a woman who always wore green. We called her lizard-lady.


70 posted on 07/25/2007 1:34:50 PM PDT by Chickensoup (If it is not permitted, it is prohibited. Only the government can permit....)
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To: Resolute Conservative
Good trick since I was under the impression that Rowlings has made no statement to being a Christian and has tacitly denied it knowing that a admission would kill book sales.

Well, you're doubly full of crap, then. From her interview with The Vancouver Sun:

Harry, of course, is able to battle supernatural evil with supernatural forces of his own, and Rowling is quite clear that she doesn't personally believe in that kind of magic -- ''not at all.'' Is she a Christian?

''Yes, I am,'' she says. ''Which seems to offend the religious right far worse than if I said I thought there was no God. Every time I've been asked if I believe in God, I've said yes, because I do, but no one ever really has gone any more deeply into it than that, and I have to say that does suit me, because if I talk too freely about that I think the intelligent reader, whether 10 or 60, will be able to guess what's coming in the books.''

Willful ignorance is not a virtue. Spreading lies based on willful ignorance is a grave sin.

"What's coming in the books," BTW, can be read in Revelation -- Book 7's plot can be seen starting at about Revelation 12 or so.

71 posted on 07/25/2007 1:36:24 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Resolute Conservative
We have taste and standards maybe...

We'll take a vote, I for one vote for you to change your screen name to Literary Luna Lovegood.

Snicker
72 posted on 07/25/2007 1:36:35 PM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Corin Stormhands

Hillary said she is a Christian too. She does not have to answer to me and basically I don’t care since my kids will not read her stuff or see the movies until they out of my control.

Funny thing is my kids see the hype and have not once asked to read the books or see the films and I have not once ever preempted them by telling them they could not.


73 posted on 07/25/2007 1:36:44 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: squarebarb

Whatever personal struggle Frodo faced (1) paled in comparison to the much greater clash between good and evil and (2) was brought on somewhat artificially by the evil powers of the ring. Thus, in a sense, Frodo’s struggle was scarcely “moral,” but more sort of “chemically induced.”

Also, I don’t really think Harry Potter was the same person at the end of his struggle either. He appears to have gained a good deal of understanding along his journey.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the Rings books. But for me, Frodo’s struggle was an interesting side plot, not the major story.


74 posted on 07/25/2007 1:37:08 PM PDT by wolfinator
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To: w1andsodidwe

You’ve got it in the wrong order. When the first book was initially published it was by and large ignored by the press. Then it started selling well, and that got some buzz going and improved sales and eventually it turned into the juggernaut it is. Now the press is all over it because the press are innately whores and nobody wants to be the organization that didn’t report on the big story, and they’re all pretty sure this is a big story.


75 posted on 07/25/2007 1:37:40 PM PDT by discostu (indecision may or may not be my biggest problem)
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To: Chickensoup; JenB; SuziQ; RosieCotton; ksen
Of course we have all been exposed to a significantly more substantial caliber of literature. Probably good beginnings in reading independently for the babysitter’s club set, or for kids who are stuck with the public school’s appalling reading lists.

Y'all wanna take this one?

76 posted on 07/25/2007 1:37:50 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: Chickensoup
No one in my family was able to get much past the first book. Of course we have all been exposed to a significantly more substantial caliber of literature. Probably good beginnings in reading independently for the babysitter’s club set, or for kids who are stuck with the public school’s appalling reading lists.

I'm pretty sure that at least some of the millions of "Potter" fans have been exposed to the same caliber of literature you and your family have enjoyed. I'd venture to guess that some of them have even read better, and still manage to enjoy the "Potter" novels.
77 posted on 07/25/2007 1:38:27 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: DelphiUser
You know I think I saw that on a list of rejected Bond girl names...
78 posted on 07/25/2007 1:38:37 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Fred Thompson has cooties, neener neener neener...)
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To: meandog

Spoiler: the Ending

“You did it! You killed Voldemort!” exclaimed Hermione. Ron also beamed and cheered as he embraced Hermione tightly.
“I killed Voldemort, but I’m afraid Harry died in the process,” Harry explained in an apparent contradiction.
“But Harry, you’re alive. You’re talking to us right now,” argued a puzzled Ron.
“You may see me, but I am no longer Harry Potter. I shall henceforth be addressed as `Renee’, because I am now emboldened to embrace the my true self. I finally realize that I am, and have always been a woman.”


79 posted on 07/25/2007 1:39:12 PM PDT by tumblindice (See you at the signing!)
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To: meandog

Harry was drawn to revenge rather than justice, he was tempted by dark power, he was tempted by personal glory, and at times he was almost wholly lost. He survived two fatal curses, two fatal poisonings, more grievous injuries than I can count, the unspeakable torture of the cruciatus curse, the searing pain of unspeakable evil stabbing straight into the center of his mind, and periods when even his dearest friends doubted him.

All the while, every day, he had to be tempted by thoughts of surrender. just to succumb, or even to die. It would be so much easier than the never-ending fight. But he did not surrender, and instead grew, in strength, wisdom and judgment. If you don’t see the hero’s journey in the Harry potter septology, either you don’t understand the concept, I don’t understand the concept, or you haven’t read the books.


80 posted on 07/25/2007 1:39:15 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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