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Solzhenitsin slams West policy towards Russia
Voice of Russia ^ | 25.07.2007 | Voice of Russia

Posted on 07/26/2007 5:43:10 AM PDT by JohnA

In an interview with German Der Spiegel magazine, famous Russian writer and the Nobel laureate Alexander Solzhenitsyn, has accused the West of trying to ignore and sideline Russia. He said that quite often western criticism is unfair. Russia is only starting to build democracy and it's all too easy to take it to task with a long list of omissions, violations and mistakes. Mr. Solzhenitsyn has reproached U.S for its inability to demonstrate goodwill for Mr. Putin`s friendly steps. In his opinion, only a psychological inadequacy or a disastrous shortsightedness can explain such approach. Alexander Solzhenitsyn praises Vladimir Putin for rebuilding the country.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Russia
KEYWORDS: russia; solzhenitsyn
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1 posted on 07/26/2007 5:43:10 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn is a Slavophile. He has no love for the decadent West and he thinks his country being held to impossible standards. It will take Russia decades to emerge from the wreckage of Communism.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

2 posted on 07/26/2007 5:46:35 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

“he thinks his country being held to impossible standards”

What - is it too much to ask to not arm the Muslims who are killing our boys in the middle east - or to arm Iran with Nukes.

I don’t think you belong here.


3 posted on 07/26/2007 5:51:04 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: JohnA
Russia is only starting to build democracy and it's all too easy to take it to task with a long list of omissions, violations and mistakes.

Mr Solzhenitsyn,the things that Putin is saying and doing can *NOT* be classified as "mistakes".Read the newspapers once in a while.Putin has brought the gulag to London (was it plutonium?) and he's also brought it to Ukraine (bringing Ukraine's communication system to a standstill).

Wake up and smell the vodka,friend....Putin is not the friend of anyone,*anywhere*,who values freedom,democracy and openness.

4 posted on 07/26/2007 5:51:29 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: JohnA

Check out this bunch of Russophiles on FR.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1871524/posts?page=54#54


5 posted on 07/26/2007 5:52:23 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: AdmSmith

?


6 posted on 07/26/2007 5:56:01 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: JohnA

I think Russia is on a track to nowhere fast.


7 posted on 07/26/2007 5:57:30 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Putin is an autocrat. That doesn't make him a friend of the West. Russia has more or less reverted to the Soviet period except now nationalism rather than Communism is the source of its aggressive designs on Europe and elsewhere. Solzhenitsyn doesn't see this since he has a blind worship of Russia's government. A democracy isn't built by repressing internal dissent and murdering your own enemies abroad. The Slavophiles imagine they're bringing about freedom. In fact, they're helping to bring into being its exact opposite.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 07/26/2007 5:59:52 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Gay State Conservative

The trouble with chatboards is that nobody holds posters like you to the facts.


9 posted on 07/26/2007 6:09:02 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: yldstrk

You are entitled to an opinion. You should also take into account the opinions of others who may embarrass you.


10 posted on 07/26/2007 6:10:17 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: goldstategop
Russians were dominated by authoritarians for centuries before the Bolsheviks came along. Paranoia is in their DNA.
11 posted on 07/26/2007 6:10:59 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: JohnA

I think I need to read the Der Spiegel article before commenting


12 posted on 07/26/2007 6:12:56 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: JohnA

For a guy that was so critical of the Communists in the past, Solzhenitsyn sure gets fired up when the west doesn’t trust a “former” KGB agent? I wonder why he defends old Putin so much?


13 posted on 07/26/2007 6:15:58 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: nuconvert
Fill yer boots.
14 posted on 07/26/2007 6:17:47 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: caver
You make too much of a credential you fail to expand upon.

What, in your view, was Putin's job with the KGB. Please fill us in.
15 posted on 07/26/2007 6:20:18 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I suppose if you’d have been invaded a few times, and you took heavy hits, you’d be a little paranoid too. Instead, you have two very valuable allies ...always. These are called the Atlantic and the Pacific.


16 posted on 07/26/2007 6:22:21 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: spanalot

So exactly WHAT is your problem here?
Not everything “Russian” is bad.
You might try visiting the country someday.
There ARE things we could learn from them.


17 posted on 07/26/2007 6:24:44 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

The Russian people are also the most SPIRITUAL on this earth. (In spite of Communist attempts to destroy that aspect).


18 posted on 07/26/2007 6:26:22 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: JohnA

“You make too much of a credential you fail to expand upon.
What, in your view, was Putin’s job with the KGB. Please fill us in.”

What are you talking about? Are you trying to deny that Putin is a “former” KGB agent? And what am I trying to make too much of? Once a Communist, always a Communist.


19 posted on 07/26/2007 6:26:43 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver
I wonder why he defends old Putin so much?

He's damn near ninty, that and the poor nutrition he received in the prison camps have probably eroded his thinking capacity considerably.

20 posted on 07/26/2007 6:27:25 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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To: caver

Putin is trying to restore pride in his country. If he is more authoritarian, it is because traditionally, that is what the Russian people have wanted AND needed. They are a different mold from us, and cannot be judged by our standards of democracy.


21 posted on 07/26/2007 6:28:58 AM PDT by TexConfederate1861
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To: TexConfederate1861

“Putin is trying to restore pride in his country. If he is more authoritarian, it is because traditionally, that is what the Russian people have wanted AND needed.”

I’ve always known that, but have had a hard time understanding it. I used to think that all people are basically the same, but I learn more each day. It is hard to understand how the former Soviets can look back and yearn for the days of Stalin?


22 posted on 07/26/2007 6:32:26 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver

Please provide Putin’s rank and job description while with the KGB.


23 posted on 07/26/2007 6:32:56 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: TexConfederate1861

They certainly have a different history than you do if that’s what you mean. And you have these two important historic allies: Pacific and Atlantic, yes?


24 posted on 07/26/2007 6:34:41 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA

“chatboards”

What country did you learn to speak like that?


25 posted on 07/26/2007 6:34:51 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot
forums if you want. I think they're valuable and obviously, so do you. I'm Canadian if that's what you're after.
26 posted on 07/26/2007 6:36:05 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: caver

Solzi was always a vehement nationalist and never really took the Kremlin to task for the genocide of 12 million Ukrainians and Germans in 1921 and 1932.

Neither did he ever credit the Gulag underground that was run by Ukrainians for saving his butt.


27 posted on 07/26/2007 6:36:55 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot; nuconvert
Nothing strange here: “True” Christian Orthodox always support the holy Russian Tsar, and now the Tsar is Putin. QED!
28 posted on 07/26/2007 6:37:00 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: JohnA
The trouble with chatboards is that nobody holds posters like you to the facts.

You,sir...I must admit...are correct.There are two glaring,despicable inaccuracies in my post.First of all it was Estonia,*not* Ukraine,that had its embassy blockaded by Russian punk thugs not long ago and it was Estonia,*not* Ukraine,that had its internet service brought to a halt while Moscow was beside itself with rage because a Russian monument,which represented the filthy repression that Estonians had suffered at the hands of the "USSR" for 50+ years,was moved by the government of the newly free people of Estonia.

And,second,it was *not* plutonium that was used by Russian agents,on *British* soil,to silence (permanently) a vocal and highly credible critic of Putin....it was polonium.

I'm hanging my head in shame...as I type...for having written such scurrilous,filthy lies about that fine gentleman in Moscow.

29 posted on 07/26/2007 6:37:40 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: caver

An interesting view. Not compelling but interesting.


30 posted on 07/26/2007 6:39:02 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA

“I suppose if you’d have been invaded a few times, and you took heavy hits,”

Another Kremlin Myth - it was Ukrainians and Poles that shed the most blood during WWII.

http://www.infoukes.com/history/ww2/page-29.html


31 posted on 07/26/2007 6:39:22 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: Gay State Conservative

I like Estonians. I daresay there are many Russians who do too.


32 posted on 07/26/2007 6:40:22 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: TexConfederate1861

“You might try visiting the country someday.”

Only my father and mother managed to escape in 1939 - we saw the rest of the family for the first time 30 years later.

I know the evil that Russia is.


33 posted on 07/26/2007 6:40:40 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: caver

Putin is not a Communist, he is a Russian nationalist. There is something in the Russian psyche that demands they must be a “maverick” country, just for the sake of being mavericks.

Churchill put it best, “Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.” That has not changed one iota.


34 posted on 07/26/2007 6:42:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: spanalot
You'd best check in with the Scots Regiments and historian, Norman Davies, on WWII.

What are your views on Genghis Khan and Napoleon Bonaparte?
35 posted on 07/26/2007 6:42:08 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: TexConfederate1861; Tailgunner Joe; Thunder90

Hey Tex - do you have a Russian wife by any chance?

“If he is more authoritarian, it is because traditionally, that is what the Russian people have wanted AND needed”

Are you including the 20 million Ukrainians that the Kremlin Killed?

You are clearly an agent of the Kremlin and I dont think you belong here.


36 posted on 07/26/2007 6:43:00 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: TexConfederate1861

“The Russian people are also the most SPIRITUAL”

BWAHAHAHAHA - you mean morally bankrupt.


37 posted on 07/26/2007 6:43:47 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: JohnA

“Please provide Putin’s rank and job description while with the KGB.”

Why? You go find it if you want to know.


38 posted on 07/26/2007 6:45:36 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: JohnA; Tailgunner Joe; Thunder90

John,

If you are Canadian, Why then are all your posts in support of Putie?

Methinks you are a Putietrolli.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=147871;more=48709547


39 posted on 07/26/2007 6:47:08 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: caver

he’s a troll.


40 posted on 07/26/2007 6:48:32 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: dfwgator

“Putin is not a Communist, he is a Russian nationalist. There is something in the Russian psyche that demands they must be a “maverick” country, just for the sake of being mavericks.”

OK, I won’t argue with that. The Russians are an interesting people.


41 posted on 07/26/2007 6:48:57 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: spanalot

If he’s a troll, he’s been here since 2004.


42 posted on 07/26/2007 6:50:21 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: spanalot

Pigeonholes are understood by pigeons.


43 posted on 07/26/2007 6:51:53 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: caver

Oh I know Putin’s fmr rank. And I know it isn’t what you make it out to be. Make what you will of it. MSM has already done so.


44 posted on 07/26/2007 6:54:12 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA; AdmSmith

Thanks for the link to Der Speigle.
I just finished reading the whole interview. I suggest others do the same.
I wouldn’t characterize what Solzhenitsyn said quite the same way as this Voice of Russia did, which I assume is a Voice of Putin.


45 posted on 07/26/2007 6:54:12 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there are bad people in the pistachio business] (...but his head is so tiny...))
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To: nuconvert

bingo!


46 posted on 07/26/2007 6:54:37 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: JohnA
I like Estonians.

Cool

I daresay there are many Russians who do too.

Of course no such Russian has worked in the Kremlin for the last 60 (or more) years.

47 posted on 07/26/2007 7:09:11 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If martyrdom is so cool,why does Osama Obama go to such great lengths to avoid it?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I live in a city whose population is almost that of Estonia. We North Americans shouldn’t get into these uniquely Eastern European food fights. They have a way of arguing which is a bit foreign to us and they manage to get over their spats. If we get dragged in, we can embarrass ourselves.


48 posted on 07/26/2007 7:15:59 AM PDT by JohnA
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To: TexConfederate1861

You’re right. The church is the only “truth” they’ve ever had the past 100’s of years.


49 posted on 07/26/2007 7:17:04 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: All
we made mistake that we did not finish the job after the ww2 as Patton wanted.
We would have nice, Russia free, world today.
50 posted on 07/26/2007 7:35:08 AM PDT by proudly_HOS
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