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Harry Reid eats crow on border security funding: “I was wrong and Senator Cornyn was right”
MichelleMalkin.com ^ | July 25, 2007 | Michelle Malkin

Posted on 07/26/2007 11:04:11 AM PDT by Stoat

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To: sheana
highest border security priorities

Huh oh. Who's priorities? The President's? That's a no-go for me!

61 posted on 07/26/2007 12:01:51 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.)
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To: sheana

OK people...a little reading comprehension goes a long way, let me clear up some misconceptions:

Here is a Yahoo Article on this.

1) Article says:

"The Senate voted 89-1 to add the money to a homeland security spending bill for next year currently being debated."
This means the bill is an AMENDMENT to the Homeland Security Bill...it does NOT stand on it's own, only the vote to add it does.

2)Article says:

"Bush has threatened to veto the $37.6 billion homeland security spending bill for fiscal 2008, which starts on October 1, because it is about $2.5 billion more than he sought. The border security money was added as an emergency item on top of that amount."
He threatened to veto the Homeland Security Bill because they spent too much, THEN they added this emergency amendment to insure he wouldn't veto it. He DID NOT threaten to veto the border amendment.

Source: Yahoo Article

Good grief, keeping y'all straight on facts is like herding cats!!!

62 posted on 07/26/2007 12:02:23 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: tobyhill

I think the dummycrats are just now waking up to the fact that their base is no more anamored with illegals than we are. it’s one thing to foist welfare on the rest of us. It’s an entirely different matter when they start to move into your neck of the woods. Remember the glee senator swimmer met those windmills with..


63 posted on 07/26/2007 12:02:49 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Stoat

Ok, what’s the catch?


64 posted on 07/26/2007 12:02:54 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: NoBullZone
 
To allow DHS to present a photo electronically to an employer so that the employer may confirm the identity of the individual when he presents ID;

What genius came up with that provision? What do they expect - that DHS is going to maintain a database of all US citizens and legal immigrants? Sounds a little big-brother ish to me.

I'm guessing that they already have this.  I would assume that Homeland Security already has full access to all State driver's license databases, as well as other Government photo-ID databases.

65 posted on 07/26/2007 12:04:55 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: ontap
I blame on the first stages of alzheimer’s.

Hmmmmm. First ...?

8^)

66 posted on 07/26/2007 12:05:24 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.)
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To: ravingnutter

I don’t really give a rat’s patooty why he threatened to veto it. If he can send billions to Africa for Aids he can fund border security.
Simple as that for me.


67 posted on 07/26/2007 12:07:42 PM PDT by sheana
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To: NoBullZone

It has to happen. The entire concept of a self-contained “secure” ID card is a fantasy, and anyone advocating it is either uninformed or delusional - almost certainly the latter, if either a legislator or a journalist.

A few basic facts. Whatever biometric indicators are captured and recorded on the card, if it is to be used as ID, must be accessible to the person/facility that needs to identify the individual presenting the ID card. And it must be something that the individual can present, from his/her own person, that can be matched against the ID card data.

These range from simple biometrics - height, weight, hair and eye color, age, sex, etc. - to a photo, fingerprint, blood type, iris scan, or even DNA coding, if we get that far. We have done some of these for many years - and people have been forging ID cards for perhaps a month or two less.

They can be forged because the forgers have, or can obtain, the same information that the issuing agency uses to create the valid ID card, and encode it exactly the same way. As a result, the ID card can absolutely be connected to the person presenting it - BUT NOT TO THE IDENTITY being claimed, unless it is verified through a central database.

If we want to preserve employment as a right reserved for citizens, and a revocable privilege for aliens with permission to work, we MUST have such a database - and we already do, based on Social Security and Alien registration numbers.

Look up the Basic Pilot Program on SSA.GOV to read about it - it needs to be made both permanent and mandatory, and to include a picture. However, the picture matching needs to be done at the database site instead of by the employer. Any cell phone camera could take the picture needed.


68 posted on 07/26/2007 12:12:45 PM PDT by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

Man I hope it’s just the first stage!LOL


69 posted on 07/26/2007 12:14:49 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: sheana

I notice that once again Sam Brownback voted on the wrong side of a measure related to immigration and border security. While he may still have people outside Kansas fooled, Kansans are catching on to the fact that Sen. I-voted-for-it-then-switched-to-no-when-I-saw-it-losing is an absolute windbag that in no way represents the interest of the average legal resident.


70 posted on 07/26/2007 12:16:28 PM PDT by dez (Giving resident visas to illegals is like giving car thieves legal title to the cars they steal)
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To: sheana
If he can send billions to Africa for Aids he can fund border security. Simple as that for me.

No one is arguing with you about that.

They are simply setting the record straight that the threat of a VETO was issued because they loaded the bill with pork and before this amendment was even thought of being tagged to the bill.

There's plenty of ammunition to use against this President. But tagging the VETO threat to the fact this amendment was added this morning isn't factual. If anything it may force him to sign the bill, as the original intent was to use this bill as a symbolic gesture against pork at REPUBLICAN's request.

71 posted on 07/26/2007 12:17:35 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: ontap
*grin* Ask my kiddos. I've been through about 3 stages so far: Senility, Dementia and now I've only got 2 speeds. Dead slow and slower than dead.

*sigh*

Kids are vicious

72 posted on 07/26/2007 12:18:46 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.)
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To: CindyDawg
Ok, what’s the catch?

That will become evident when Kennedy and Kerry awaken from their alcoholic slumbers and tie up essential provisions of this in the courts.

There is ample precedent for them to say "those evil Republicans fooled us!  We didn't intend for there to be these consequences!"

The Dems simply cannot sit back and watch positive changes occur that pertain to immigration and national security.....they will lose their entire constituent base if that were to happen.

73 posted on 07/26/2007 12:19:05 PM PDT by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2008: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: CindyDawg

The “catch” appears to be that the Senators that loaded this bill with pork will get that money rather then a VETO because they tagged this amendment to it.


74 posted on 07/26/2007 12:20:07 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: NoBullZone
Should have included a provision to aggressively prosecute any LEO, State agency, municipality who refuses to comply and any organization such, as the ACLU, which interferes with the enforcement of said amendment.
75 posted on 07/26/2007 12:21:26 PM PDT by WesternPacific
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

My kids are gone, I’m knee deep in grandkids(7). Great thing about grandkids is they are an “on demand thing.


76 posted on 07/26/2007 12:22:08 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Soul Seeker

Sadly the pork was going to get passed anyway. At least we are getting our way on this.


77 posted on 07/26/2007 12:23:33 PM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: WesternPacific

Sorry - I am a conservative and don’t like expanding the power of the federal government in such a drastic way. Even making basic pilot mandatory is very tricky; there are lots of employers who, believe it or not, don’t have computers. But I think a lot more enforcement activity - GAO has complained about earnings that can’t be posted to SSA records for years (often indicates multiple persons using the same SSN), but IRS has refused for years to even fine the most egregious offenders.


78 posted on 07/26/2007 12:31:24 PM PDT by NoBullZone
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To: Greg F
"Is Voinovich out of his mind?"

I can't remember when he was last in his mind..

79 posted on 07/26/2007 12:32:49 PM PDT by libs_kma (www.imwithfred.com)
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To: Stoat
The other kitty is the death kitty reported in FR earlier.

If the death kitty curls up next to you, you're a goner.

80 posted on 07/26/2007 12:41:23 PM PDT by libs_kma (www.imwithfred.com)
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