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How Many Terrorists Have We Killed In Iraq?
ConservativeImage.com ^ | 7/26/7 | RedFox

Posted on 07/26/2007 9:51:28 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com

As a result of Hugh Hewitt's conversation with General Petraeus a few days ago, the question has been brought up of how many terrorist combatants have been killed due to the United States' fighting the War Against Islamic Terror in Iraq. This has been a complaint of mine for a couple of years now. Why do we never hear how many bad guys are killed from day to day from the television news journalists? All we ever hear is how many American Soldiers are killed each day, nothing else. The reason is because the TV news channels are antiwar pacifists and don't want the U.S. to win this war. They are attempting to control the outcome of the war by undermining support for it, just like they were successful in aborting the war in Vietnam. This is why I quit watching TV news in 2004, and you need to quit too. Well I don't need the antiwar networks to get a good idea of how many Muslim terrorists are killed in Iraq. I recall at the end of the 2001 film "Blackhawk Down" we were told that 18 U.S. Servicemen were killed and over 1000 Somalian fighters were killed. To satisfy my curiosity I use the Blackhawk Down incident as a way of fairly metering the kill ratio in todays war. Before I do the math let me say that I know a man; the life of one's son can not be equated to a number. As I do this, I am remembering Captain Sean Sims from Eddy, Texas. He was killed on 11/13/04 while liberating the city of Fallujah from extremist forces.

1000 enemy combatants divided between 18 U.S. soldiers produces a ratio of 55.5 to 1. I can imagine how General Patton would respond to this. He would've been both proud and emotionally moved. He would've called them "boys." If we were apply that outcome to our loss of 3600 service men since March 20, 2003, that would mean over 200,000 terrorists have been killed. I believe the number of enemy casualties today is even higher than that compensating for over 13 years of advances in technology and training.

One problem with trying to do an accurate body count of dead terrorists is the instant they die, they become unarmed civilians. We've heard how participators will clean bodies of weapons then begin wailing in front of antiwar TV news cameras because we killed one of their cousins. Remember this as your watching the news, terrorists tactics work on pacifists and the U.N.. You shouldn't be watching that stuff.



TOPICS: Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: body; bodycount; count; iraq

1 posted on 07/26/2007 9:51:30 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com
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To: conservativeimage.com
Click here to read about Captain Sims.
2 posted on 07/26/2007 9:55:42 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com
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To: conservativeimage.com

Fight the war at home, slap a journalist.


3 posted on 07/26/2007 10:03:11 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com
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To: conservativeimage.com

Like your line. Interested in the statistics...have read in several military articles that the average rounds expended in Iraq is 250,000 per terrorist. Read also that the military ran low of ammo about the time of Fallujah as the US only produced 1 billion rounds per year from Olin in the US..procurement was added for 3 billion rounds per year with 1 bil from an Israeli firm (ammo not to be used in ME for politico/religious pc reasons) and an additional 1 billion rounds from a second US firm.


4 posted on 07/26/2007 10:07:44 PM PDT by givemELL (New AlQaeda tactics)
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To: conservativeimage.com

None. Remember, there are no terrorists in Iraq. They are only ‘insurgents.’ /s


5 posted on 07/26/2007 10:08:16 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: conservativeimage.com

How many? ... not enough.

Regards


6 posted on 07/26/2007 10:10:44 PM PDT by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment..)
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To: conservativeimage.com

After slapping the journalist, make him watch this new Patton speech VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQ


7 posted on 07/26/2007 10:11:53 PM PDT by givemELL (New AlQaeda tactics)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Ya, what’s up with that? Its not even an insurgency anymore, its a “civil war.” Now I’m cussing.


8 posted on 07/26/2007 10:13:00 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com
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To: Right Wing Assault

Aren’t they called Minutemen?


9 posted on 07/26/2007 10:13:04 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: givemELL

I’ve got to make a new bumper sticker design: “We’re not pulling out of anything. Let the enemy do that.”


10 posted on 07/26/2007 10:13:56 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com
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To: conservativeimage.com

I want to know “by jingo”.


11 posted on 07/26/2007 10:20:31 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: conservativeimage.com

I thought it was policy not to perform body counts following Vietnam.


12 posted on 07/26/2007 10:45:05 PM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus
For public consumption. C’mon you gotta know how many you kill.
13 posted on 07/26/2007 10:48:00 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: conservativeimage.com
I used to maintain this webpage about who has been killed and captured. Unfortunately it is nearly impossible to get good info about what are guys are accomplishing.
14 posted on 07/26/2007 11:13:15 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: endthematrix

What do you mean “For public consumption?”

And I’m not so sure about knowing how many you kill, a lot of the jihadis in Iraq are killed with personal and direct fire weapons compared to previous wars, but I’ll bet plenty have been killed indirectly in airstrikes and with artillery/mortar fire (like that AQ guy recently). Also, if keeping count of rounds expended is anything like counting kills, I think any accurate count can be ruled out.

I doubt the jihadis police their dead and wounded, but even so, I can’t imagine squad leaders asking their squad members how many jihadis they think they’ve killed, and I certainly can’t imagine going around and counting ala Vietnam.


15 posted on 07/26/2007 11:17:23 PM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus
I meant the Pentagon isn't going to release official counts. Already media gets sporadic statements from boots on the ground.

"I can’t imagine squad leaders asking their squad members how many jihadis they think they’ve killed"

I would love to get an answer from a FReeper in the military. Why not? If intel bothers to know HOW MANY why not HOW MANY are there after an encounter?

16 posted on 07/26/2007 11:31:50 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: Constantine XI Palaeologus
My point was that body counts are not used to sway public opinion but to assess the battlefield.
17 posted on 07/26/2007 11:34:18 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: conservativeimage.com; All

A memoire (Highway to Hell by John Geddes)by a former member of the SAS working as a private military contractor in Iraq states that the official US estimate as at December 2005 at 53,470 against 2389 coalition troops. 30,000 civilians killed by both sides.


18 posted on 07/26/2007 11:36:08 PM PDT by Mac1
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To: endthematrix

Ah, gotcha.


19 posted on 07/26/2007 11:59:06 PM PDT by Constantine XI Palaeologus ("Vicisti, Galilaee")
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To: Mac1

But the left routinely says we’ve killed 600,000 “innocent” Iraqis. Does this number include the terrorists or are they all Scott Beauchamps just randomly slaughtering women and children for no reason at all?


20 posted on 07/27/2007 12:15:26 AM PDT by boop (Trunk Monkey. Is there anything he can't do?)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Great site! You did a super website! Thanks!


21 posted on 07/27/2007 1:06:45 AM PDT by Anita1 (Stand for what's right - not for what is leftist - the Dims! Duncan Hunter for President in '08!!)
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To: conservativeimage.com

While I won’t concede that the US is low-balling these numbers, these are clearly “confirmed” kills and as such merely a lower bound. I gather that these statistics also omit deaths inflicted during the 2003 invasion. Like you, I believe the number is far higher than the official count but have no direct evidence (lots of indirect evidence, though). I’ve raised this issue here on FR previously, and there is a fellow poster who agrees and actually does have much evidence. (Can you search?) On some level, we know that the entire WOT figure must be much, much higher ... if we add kills in Afghanistan, as well as terrorist-on-terrorist deaths, Somalia, Israeli efforts in Lebanon, etc. If we go even further and include many of the revenge killings, well, who knows what the figure is? In one manner or another, could half a million bad guys have been exterminated since 2001? I don’t find that number implausible, though it must almost surely be an upper bound.

I often wonder what our President is thinking as he devises his strategies for the WOT. One hypothesis that I cannot reject is that he is counting up these bodies and believes that the terrorists can not sustain this level of damage indefinitely. I think his biggest mistake may have been that he grossly underestimated the terror masters’ capacity for sending their young off to die in this war. Having said that, I think Iran is egregiously overextended — nearly bankrupt, facing growing internal dissent that is nearing critical mass, etc. I think, as well, that the surge is working militarily ... I still have faith. And I believe, again without any evidence, that when the end comes for these terrorists as an effective force, it will be sudden and abrupt. We will not know how bankrupt they are (financially or militarily) until they are completely out of ammunition, so to speak.

IMO, the danger is that we pull out, not realizing that we are mere months if not weeks from overwhelming victory.


22 posted on 07/27/2007 3:41:09 AM PDT by drellberg
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HERE IS AN ESTIMATION

As for February 2007 : 130’000 dead - 288’000 wounded.

As for now (estimation)
200’000 jihadists and Baathists killed (operationnal invasion March-April ‘03 included)

About 500’000 wounded.

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fleblogdrzz.over-blog.com%2Farticle-5545058.html&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools

Professeur Switzkart notes : “we are killing an entire generation of jihadists. Iranians have trouble to find new recruits and are calling for women to join the fight. It is likely that the next generation of this part of the Middle East will be held my women, which could be a real boost for reforms in Islam, as it was then in the post-WWI era in Europe.


23 posted on 07/27/2007 8:16:22 AM PDT by drzz
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To: drellberg

What I love is how Mark Levin reminds us that during the American Civil War, the casualties in one day were normally in the tens of thousands. That’s in one day for the Confederates or the Union. Levin compares that to less than four thousand in nearly six years in the War On Terror. So pacifists are squeamish and I want to say, “Would you calm down?!” People need to see and hear facts that increase positive sentiment on the war in Iraq. I continue to counter the negative repetition people get from TV and news papers with my bumper sticker designs. That’s all I have. I don’t have a radio program. I don’t have a TV show. All I have is a car with 11 bumper stickers on it. What is impossible is the “change” Dems think they have a mandate for; a pull out. They would be letting Al Qaeda have Iraq. That is impossible because Al Qaeda were the ones who flew the planes into the trade centers and the pentagon.


24 posted on 07/27/2007 6:11:34 PM PDT by conservativeimage.com (What-ever, what-ever...)
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