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Iran close to closing deal with Russia for 250 Su-30MK
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/mh/paris062107/index.php?startpage=10 ^

Posted on 07/27/2007 6:55:55 AM PDT by jhpigott

Show News has learned that Russia's Rosoboronexport (ROE) is close to signing a defense order with Iran that may be the largest in more than three decades.

(Excerpt) Read more at nxtbook.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; iran; militarybuildup; redjihad; russianmilitary
the Su-30MK is a formidable aircraft, a purchase like this is going to set some people off
1 posted on 07/27/2007 6:55:56 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: jeffers; Dog; Cap Huff; LTCJ

ping


2 posted on 07/27/2007 6:56:24 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: jhpigott

Guess we need to gaze into Putin’s soul again.....


3 posted on 07/27/2007 7:00:44 AM PDT by misterrob (There's no difference between a knee jerk liberal and a knee jerk conservative.)
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To: jhpigott

To train 300 pilots on short notice won’t be too easy.


4 posted on 07/27/2007 7:16:06 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: jhpigott
As Frankie Pentangeli was heard to say to his Don, “Let’s hit em now, while we got the muscle.”
5 posted on 07/27/2007 7:18:48 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: jhpigott

Whatever. Flying targets. We could send them F-22s and it wouldn’t make a bit of difference if they actually had to face our pilots. It’ll piss the Saudis off though.


6 posted on 07/27/2007 7:19:17 AM PDT by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: jhpigott

U.S. vs ROE............part deux!.......


7 posted on 07/27/2007 7:21:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: Blackyce

with adequately trained pilots, 250 Su-30MKs could be a headache. Not going to prevent us from eventually obtaining air superiority, but those are good airframes, better than the stuff Mig puts out there


8 posted on 07/27/2007 7:22:00 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: CarrotAndStick
To train 300 pilots on short notice won’t be too easy.

Sure it will...........

Instruction #1: When you get within 200 miles of a Raptor, pull this handle between your legs.........

9 posted on 07/27/2007 7:22:31 AM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: CarrotAndStick
To train 300 pilots on short notice won’t be too easy.

a good way to get 300 crack russian pilots into iran on short notice

10 posted on 07/27/2007 7:23:58 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo (Skip the Moon, go for Mars)
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To: jhpigott

So that’s why Iran cannot afford to pay salaries right now.


11 posted on 07/27/2007 7:28:43 AM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
a good way to get 300 crack russian pilots into iran on short notice

Possibly ... Iran does have a strategic attractiveness for Russia, in that an alliance would give them access to Persian Gulf ports. Deals like this would go a long way toward giving Russia an increased influence in the region.

Way back in the Iran/Contra timeframe, National Review printed something from Oliver North, saying that the Iran part of the deal was meant to head off a Russian-instigated revolution that would have given them Persian Gulf access...

12 posted on 07/27/2007 7:28:50 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: jhpigott

Good looking aircraft, but if you can't maintain it, it's just a ground target.

13 posted on 07/27/2007 7:30:08 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: r9etb

Even russia knows better than to get too coze to Iran. They have enough problems in Chechnya


14 posted on 07/27/2007 7:30:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: r9etb
Here is a link to the NR article mentioned above.
15 posted on 07/27/2007 7:30:23 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

this could also be a tool used by Putin to evidence Russia’s displeasure with the U.S. missile shield going up in Eastern Europe


16 posted on 07/27/2007 7:31:39 AM PDT by jhpigott
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To: CarrotAndStick
If an elected senator is unfit to represent his/her state...shouldn’t the governor and legislators of that state have the ability to rectify the problem?

Iran has a core of jet pilots they can transition. The hard part will be training the maintenance types needed to keep the aircraft flying.

17 posted on 07/27/2007 7:34:32 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Red Badger
Yes, but they won’t know there is a Raptor there.
18 posted on 07/27/2007 7:35:14 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: jhpigott

250 of any kind of fighters is some serious hardware... seems to me Iran must be getting ready for a nuclear war


19 posted on 07/27/2007 7:35:41 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: Pistolshot

Looks like an F-14


20 posted on 07/27/2007 7:36:20 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Fitzcarraldo

yep... that is the real danger. Korea and Vietnam redux.


21 posted on 07/27/2007 7:37:09 AM PDT by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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To: jhpigott

Yea! I love when one of our sworn enemies expend a huge fortune by buying SCRAP METAL at 1000X cost!!


22 posted on 07/27/2007 7:54:28 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: jhpigott

Russia better not look for payment upon delivery...


23 posted on 07/27/2007 8:03:46 AM PDT by steveyp
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Tomcat pilots will be able to shoot those out of the sky with Iranian pilots.


24 posted on 07/27/2007 8:06:37 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: AmericaUnited

I remember we racked up ALL of the ruski mil junk in Gulf War 1 and 2.

Always saw the russian mil hardware as much better suited for attacking poorly armed civilians rather that top quality USA Military.

Iran probably buying from pooty on credit, AGAIN. Good for us 2 ways, russia gets ripped off and iran get shot to hell.


25 posted on 07/27/2007 8:06:42 AM PDT by dusttoyou (FredHead from the git go)
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To: wastedyears

The only remaining active Tomcat pilots are Iranians.


26 posted on 07/27/2007 9:18:17 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: dusttoyou
I remember reading that the Soviets typically designed their aircraft for specific missions, for example the Mig-25 for very fast and could intercept supersonic bombers at high altitude. Of course, they were awful at dogfighting, except for running away.
27 posted on 07/27/2007 9:21:52 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: A.A. Cunningham

But they never went to Top Gun.


28 posted on 07/27/2007 9:34:12 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: wastedyears

Who do you think taught Abdolhosain Minousepehr, Mojtaba Zangeneh, Mohammad Farahawar and Kazem Heidarzadeh F-14 tactics?


29 posted on 07/27/2007 10:57:44 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Pistolshot

The second aircraft pictured is an SU-30MKI/MKM,which are distinguished by their canards,not an MK.


30 posted on 07/27/2007 11:22:36 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

The Soviets did & the results were there to be seen.The Russians churned out the SU-30 to be in the same class as the F-15E.Long range,heavy payload & multi-role.


31 posted on 07/27/2007 11:23:59 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: chilepepper

This is precisely the reason why these reports seem bogus.The whole deal would be worth over 10 billion & would take years to implement.The factory most likely to deliver these aircraft,KNAAPO,is engaged in building them for China,while another factor,IRKUT,is building more advanced aircraft for India & Malaysia.


32 posted on 07/27/2007 11:26:31 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I was thinking the same thing. I mean, these are not Toyotas coming off the line. 250 planes will take some time. Or, perhaps this is an inventory clearance sale. Take all 250 and get a Mercedes Benz for free.


33 posted on 07/27/2007 11:33:22 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am not from Vermont. I lived there for four years and that was enough.)
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To: Vermont Lt

The Russians have been too poor to buy new SU-30s.They only operate the older SU-27s,which are being modernised.If they sold off those,they would lose over 60% of their air defense capability!!


34 posted on 07/27/2007 11:36:27 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Haneef something? I don’t know


35 posted on 07/27/2007 11:37:40 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: dusttoyou

the Su-30 series has yet to be tested in combat. However, the general thinking is it is much more capable platform than most of the recent Mig series of fighters


36 posted on 07/27/2007 12:18:17 PM PDT by jhpigott
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To: jhpigott
the Su-30MK is a formidable aircraft, a purchase like this is going to set some people off

Formidable to many countries, true. Not to the USA.

That's not boasting, just a simple fact.

37 posted on 07/27/2007 12:19:27 PM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: jhpigott

This improved version of the SU-30 was one of the main reasons why the Air Force pushed for the F-22. With a well trained pilot it could be a tough adversary for an F-15. It is no match at all for an F-22.

Fortunately we have the best trained pilots in the world and lots of them. Iran and Syria have very few pilots that could hack it in the USAF or USN. If they get these aircraft before hostilities break out they will be little more than manned target drones.

The next round of air attacks against a hostile nation will be the debut for the F-22 and the pilots that will be up against it will be killed before they even know they are in danger.


38 posted on 07/28/2007 8:59:14 AM PDT by CCGuy (USAF (Ret.))
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To: TChris

You cant know untill you try.


39 posted on 07/29/2007 7:11:58 AM PDT by Gondar
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To: Gondar

I heard a report said that Iranian’s Flankers are base on my country’s Royal Malaysian Air Force MKM series. And unlike the India’s MKI series which armed with Isreal’s components, my coutnry’s MKM series are armed with advance South Africa, Russia and most of all, the French Thales avionic systems. Which means that all Muslim countries can now opt for MKM’s version of Flanker if they wish to buy.

There’s a joke in a blog somewhere saids that MKM is a Muslim nations’ version of Flanker. Inspiration of confidence? I hope not.

Even with decent training, Flanker can be your worse foe that you’ll face. Be warned Americans, never ever underestimate a well-trained (if they are) and determined foe, or they make you pay through your nose.


40 posted on 09/05/2007 12:47:27 AM PDT by Mike Powell
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Ladies and gentlemen, introducing my country Malaysia’s MKM Flanker series (minus the Israel’s component).


41 posted on 10/13/2007 3:21:37 AM PDT by Mike Powell
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Ladies and gentlemen, introducing my country Malaysia’s MKM Flanker series (minus the Israel’s component).


42 posted on 10/13/2007 3:21:38 AM PDT by Mike Powell
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To: CarrotAndStick

Yes, it will take years for these planes to become operational in these numbers. Hopefully, way too late for the upcoming conflict.


43 posted on 10/13/2007 3:29:16 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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