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US braced for bloody pull-out-(Gates.to Clinton,".such planning is indeed taking place")
times online ^ | July 29, 2007 | Sarah Baxter, Washington

Posted on 07/29/2007 4:49:20 PM PDT by Flavius

AT THE Army College in Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, Major Daniel Morgan is studying the lessons for Iraq of the Soviets’ chaotic exit from Afghanistan in the late 1980s. The roads were choked with tanks and heavy weaponry, making the demoralised soldiers easy prey for guerillas.

“The Soviet Army actually had to fight out of certain areas,” said Morgan, who has served twice in Iraq.

There is no easy exit from Iraq, but defence secretary Robert Gates has admitted for the first time that the Pentagon is poring over the options. Under pressure from Hillary Clinton, the senator for New York, defence officials are to give a “closed door” briefing to the Senate Armed Services Committee this week about US troop withdrawals.

“You may rest assured,” Gates wrote to Clinton, “that such planning is indeed taking place with my active involvement.”

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1 posted on 07/29/2007 4:49:25 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius
“They are starting to think in that direction,” he said. “The Soviet scenario could certainly happen but what really worries me is the example of Vietnam.”

liberal holy grail

every news story every paper every time

2 posted on 07/29/2007 4:51:04 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Ahhh, there’s nothing quite like making plans to lose!


3 posted on 07/29/2007 4:53:56 PM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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To: Flavius

Guess we FReepers should find the relevant letters and post them;)


4 posted on 07/29/2007 4:54:42 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: Flavius
"...defence officials are to give a “closed door” briefing to the Senate Armed Services Committee this week about US troop withdrawals. “You may rest assured,” Gates wrote to Clinton, “that such planning is indeed taking place with my active involvement.”"

It's normal that all sorts of contingency planning should occur on myriad issues, but to give in to demands to brief the 'RATs on "withdrawal plans" is a very bad idea!! It is a certainty that the 'RATs and MSM will portray this briefing as "DoD Briefs Senators on Impending Withdrawal" in order to maximize propaganda for the left and for the Islamo-fascists. The scumbags are trying to create a self-fulfilling prophecy by forcing the "planning process" for withdrawal into the international media. Even though this briefing is supposed to be "closed door" we can be sure that the 'RATs will be leaking details as fast as they dare -- and even without details, just the general headlines about "Pentagon Withdrawal Plans" are all the 'RATs and MSM need to run wild....
5 posted on 07/29/2007 4:54:44 PM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: Flavius
They plan for everything all the time. They’d be remiss in their responsibilities if they were not planning for a withdrawal. Plus, the Democrats and some others have indicated they want to get out and damn the strategic consequences or the genocide. If a Democrat or Ron Paul wins, the ignominious surrender will have to be implemented.
6 posted on 07/29/2007 4:55:59 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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To: Flavius

Well if this pullout happens. The blood is on the hands of the Democratic party. Although, I doubt most Americans will feel this way. They will spin it, blame GW or whatever. I for one am sick and tired of the party of treason.


7 posted on 07/29/2007 4:56:22 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Politicalmom

Congress Critter ping!


8 posted on 07/29/2007 4:57:48 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Flavius

Just so long as “Senator” Clinton explains what happens in Iraq, after our troops leave.

(waiting...)


9 posted on 07/29/2007 4:58:46 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (D is for Defeatism. R is for Reconquista.)
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To: Flavius
There is no easy exit from Iraq

Once you get out of Baghdad, you should be just fine.
10 posted on 07/29/2007 4:59:21 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Flavius

If our leadership doesn’t take care of business in Iran to finish the War, we should each probably plan ahead for personal security at home.


11 posted on 07/29/2007 5:01:19 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.)--has-been, will write Duncan Hunter in)
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To: elhombrelibre

Look how this author makes it seem the secdef is groveling before her.


12 posted on 07/29/2007 5:02:47 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: P-40

they are acting like no nation in history of the world occupied an land mass

the idiocy all around is mesmerizing

however the only people i care about are the front line US troops

everyone else can pound sand


13 posted on 07/29/2007 5:03:02 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: familyop

that will be outlawed as hate crime

how dare you protect yourself citizen


14 posted on 07/29/2007 5:03:42 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: txflake

Yeah, just stupid.


15 posted on 07/29/2007 5:05:15 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Democrats have plenty of patience for anti-American dictators but none for Iraqi democrats.)
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To: Flavius

Liberals will attempt to do the same thing to Iraq that they did to Viet Nam. They are directly responsible for the mass slaughter after we pulled out of Viet Nam. They have learned nothing from history.

Semper Fi’
Jarhead


17 posted on 07/29/2007 5:07:05 PM PDT by Buffettfan (3rd Battalion, 6th Marines - 1971 - 1974)
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To: Flavius
The Pentagon plans for everything for petes sake...

This is nothing but a chance for the DBM to splash on the front page tomarrow

GATES CALLS FOR PULL-OUT PLAN...

This is sick and the dems will pounce...

18 posted on 07/29/2007 5:07:09 PM PDT by pandemoniumreigns
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To: Flavius

Poor liberal surrendercrats and jihadist. Gates is merely playing psychological operations against them. This is just a head fake to get the anti-Americans all worked up over an apparant American defeat, but Gates knows what every other adult in Washington knows: The Surge is Working.

When the job is done successfully and the next theater of operations opens up in Iran, there’ll be much gnashing of teeth by Team Al Queda and their dainty Democrat cheerleaders.


20 posted on 07/29/2007 5:10:29 PM PDT by Vision Thing (Don't be a liberal surrendercrat!)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
If we pull out of IRAQ, even if Congress overrides a VETO to cut off funding, it will rest forever on the President and Commander-in-Chief's shoulders.

No one will blame Congress.

21 posted on 07/29/2007 5:11:54 PM PDT by PISANO (There is NO security & there can be none as long as there are suicide bombers!!)
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To: Flavius

She should become president right about the time for the US to pull out from Iraq if her plans bear fruit..............ask HER how SHE is going to do it !

She keeps telling the dumbass masses supporting her she is gonna do it so put the problem in her arena.

How bout it clintonistas....how are YOU going to end the Iraq War ?


22 posted on 07/29/2007 5:14:22 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Flavius
“You may rest assured,” Gates wrote to Clinton, “that such planning is indeed taking place with my active involvement."

Gates is a PC wuss---Fire Gates, now!

23 posted on 07/29/2007 5:15:01 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: Flavius

Consider the source...besides, these plans are always on the drawing board...SOP...folks


24 posted on 07/29/2007 5:16:02 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: Flavius

consider the source here....UK leftie lib rag.


25 posted on 07/29/2007 5:16:12 PM PDT by RacerX1128
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To: Flavius
Democrats/Liberals aren't happy until they get the dramatic exit they've planned for...


26 posted on 07/29/2007 5:16:37 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: pandemoniumreigns
The Pentagon plans for everything for petes sake...

Yes, but they don't announce it in a public love letter to a traitorous (progressive) Marxist.

27 posted on 07/29/2007 5:17:35 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: elhombrelibre
Visualize a world in which no one would obey such an order.

I am afraid the coming responsibility lies far closer to home than some would like, and cannot all be pushed off onto nefarious liberals.

28 posted on 07/29/2007 5:18:11 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: elhombrelibre
They plan for everything all the time.

Exactly right - Here is another example of the MSM trying to spin / lie to the American public ....By spinning "the news" in a manner that looks negative -

SecDef Gates played this very weak Vs Senator Clinton. He should have told her to pound sand publicly (and privately told her with clearance she could see the variety of contingency plans that are constantly changing).

29 posted on 07/29/2007 5:18:40 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: JasonC

Gates is a total wimp. Why Bush appointed him is beyond reason.


30 posted on 07/29/2007 5:19:38 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
So let's resolve, here and now, not to obey traitors and follow them into treason and defeat.
31 posted on 07/29/2007 5:20:33 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Vision Thing
I know that you are right... I know that the surge is working...This is the part that I think is trouble

" Under pressure from Hillary Clinton, the senator for New York, defence officials are to give a “closed door” briefing to the Senate Armed Services Committee this week about US troop withdrawals"

This briefing is going to get leaked all over by DBM this week with the point being that the pentagon is planning a withdrawl from Iraq... Game...

32 posted on 07/29/2007 5:21:58 PM PDT by pandemoniumreigns
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To: Flavius
It would be incompetent of the American military to have one contingency plan to deal with a total failure in the Congress of the United States. If the "who cares who dies" people in Congress manage to succeed legislatively, the military will need to get its people out, alive.

If a general wrote to Hillary! about this, I hope he wrote this: "If your insane ideas succeed in Congress, yes, we have plans to get American soldiers with a minimum number of casualties as a result of your ideas." But if he did, the NY Times would never report that honestly.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article, "Who's in Charge of America?"

33 posted on 07/29/2007 5:24:53 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (Please visit www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: Rudder
I know Rudder...thats my point

The media will eat this up...

34 posted on 07/29/2007 5:24:54 PM PDT by pandemoniumreigns
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To: JasonC

Works for me...now to convince the Democratic party and the MSM...That should be easy eh?


35 posted on 07/29/2007 5:30:25 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: pandemoniumreigns
The media will eat this up...

That's why Gates gotta go.

36 posted on 07/29/2007 5:40:08 PM PDT by Rudder
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To: txflake
Look how this author makes it seem the secdef is groveling before her.

Exactly. BUT, why is the Pentagon giving her any special the time of day?

37 posted on 07/29/2007 5:43:55 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Flavius

The US military plans for many possible turns of events.

For instance, I heard they have a plan for global cooling; and for global warming.

The plan for global cooling assumes China would attack Russia, for natural gass, to keep warm.


38 posted on 07/29/2007 5:45:15 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: pandemoniumreigns
This briefing is going to get leaked all over by DBM this week with the point being that the pentagon is planning a withdrawl from Iraq... Game...

We have more than enough firepower on our side to counter this tactic. Talk Radio and us folks on the Internet won't let the moldy old media (or moldia™, as I like to call them) get away with it.

Sure, the dems are trying to re-live their glory days of Vietnam. They think they've got what it takes to turn Iraq into Vietnam Part Deux. But they've got a severe blind spot when it comes to how much has changed between Vietnam and Iraq. The most important change is that their lapdog media no longer has a monopoly on what Americans are allowed to hear. Yup, we may suffer the leaks from this meeting, but we will quickly answer it. I wouldn't be surprised if Rush and Hugh are already working on the answer right now.

39 posted on 07/29/2007 5:46:25 PM PDT by Vision Thing (Don't be a liberal surrendercrat!)
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To: Snoopers-868th
It's actually a jab: her thighness may 'rest assured'.

Texas A&M boys don't bow down before butch megalomanic divas who want to see US defense ripped to shreds.

I think this is just some foreign journalist sucking up to Hillary.

40 posted on 07/29/2007 5:49:13 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Snoopers-868th
It's actually a jab: her thighness may 'rest assured'.

Texas A&M boys don't bow down before butch megalomanic divas who want to see US defense ripped to shreds.

I think this is just some foreign journalist sucking up to Hillary.

41 posted on 07/29/2007 5:49:13 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Flavius

More liberal projection by the Times.


42 posted on 07/29/2007 5:53:51 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

If this happens within no longer that 6 months, probably much less actually, there will be plenty of blood flowing in the United States.

The muslims will follow the troops over here[ the United States] and along with their moles already in place here begin blowing things up.


43 posted on 07/29/2007 5:54:28 PM PDT by sport
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To: Flavius

Sarah Baxter - who writes of her activism
on anti-nuclear movement of the 1980s

she was Political Editor of The New Statesman around 15 years ago


44 posted on 07/29/2007 6:04:36 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Probably angling for a spot on Hillary’s staff.


45 posted on 07/29/2007 6:07:45 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: Flavius
If GW had papers drawn up to immediately pull all our troops out of Iraq, laying out the plan for all to see. Then on the bottom line in big letters have it say: I as a member of Congress take full responsibility for all deaths and slaughters that occur from us pulling out. Then have a place for each of them to sign it.

How many do you think would sign. Somebody pass this on to the President and see if there are any takers.

46 posted on 07/29/2007 6:13:39 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: elhombrelibre
Plus, the Democrats and some others have indicated they want to get out and damn the strategic consequences or the genocide. If a Democrat or Ron Paul wins, the ignominious surrender will have to be implemented.

We already won.
There is no surrender.
It is time to take off the training wheels and cut the welfare payments.
The Iraqi's can handle it or they would not go on "Vacation".
If the order to withdrawal was given tomorrow, it would take 20 months to implement.
So we are stuck until 2011 at the earliest, because w is not going to pull out.
Ask yourself why we didn't end sanctuary in Iran and Syria before this?
Why is Pakistan getting a pass?
It is the policy that is flawed.
Baghdad should have been glass on 9-12

47 posted on 07/29/2007 6:15:29 PM PDT by JoinJuniorAchievement ( Fellow Veterans, we took an Oath. It is now our duty to vote for Ron Paul.")
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To: fish hawk

I believe that every Democrat and Socialist and a few Republicans would sign it.


48 posted on 07/29/2007 6:18:03 PM PDT by sport
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To: pandemoniumreigns

Of course the Pentagon plans for all of this...and Hillary knew that when she “demanded” it. It was all in order to get it on the front page (so that our enemies see it and we can lose...that’s all they want is for us to lose before she can win.)


49 posted on 07/29/2007 6:18:48 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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