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Rove claims corruption not Iraq cost Republicans election
http://townhall.com/columnists/RobertDNovak/2007/07/28/roves_diagnosis ^

Posted on 07/30/2007 10:49:10 AM PDT by martinidon

Karl Rove, President Bush's political lieutenant, told a closed-door meeting of 2008 Republican House candidates and their aides Tuesday that it was less the war in Iraq than corruption in Congress that caused their party's defeat in the 2006 elections.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; 2006; 2006review; congress; corruption; electioncongress; rove

1 posted on 07/30/2007 10:49:14 AM PDT by martinidon
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To: martinidon

That won’t be the case in ‘08.


2 posted on 07/30/2007 10:50:24 AM PDT by brownsfan (America has "jumped the shark")
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To: martinidon

Corruption.....and spending like drunken sailors, and illegal immigrants camping out on my lawn..........


3 posted on 07/30/2007 10:51:45 AM PDT by Red Badger (No wonder Mexico is so filthy. Everybody who does cleaning jobs is HERE!.......)
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To: brownsfan

IN ‘08, the Republican candidate for president will have to run in all directions away from the current occupant of the White House in order to win. Mr. President, you got yours - you got to be a two-term president - and I want to thank you so much for all your help with trying to elect a Republican as your successor.


4 posted on 07/30/2007 10:54:39 AM PDT by twonie (Keep your guns - and stockpile ammo.)
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To: martinidon

I thought Mr. McCain and Mr. Fiengold said if we traded in our 1st Amendment rights that would solve the corruption problem.


5 posted on 07/30/2007 10:56:47 AM PDT by DManA
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To: martinidon

Corruption, uncontrolled spending . . . . . in fact the inability to distinguish between Democrats and Republicans had a great deal to do with the ‘06 loss.

The drive-bys can characterize it any way that they like. The reality is that the strong negativity that they and the Dems have generated toward Bush and the ‘Pubbies, PLUS the actions by the ‘Pubbies that made them indistinguishable from liberals all contributed to the ‘06 loss.

So far, there is no comprehensible response by the ‘Pubbies to reclaim their conservative values in ‘08 - there is only a greater disaster by the Democrats that has given the Congress overall a lower approval rating than Bush! Definitiely something to ponder!!


6 posted on 07/30/2007 10:57:43 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: martinidon

Well, Rove isn’t entirely correct. I think the do nothing Congress bought it on itself. No more limp wristed wimps like Bill Frists!!!! And the Administration’s stubborn stance refusing to secure our borders ranked high as well.


7 posted on 07/30/2007 10:58:24 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: martinidon
Aw Geez! Not Novak again.

I think he's trying to replace Dick Morris as "The Guy Most Likely To Get It Wrong."

8 posted on 07/30/2007 10:58:33 AM PDT by Mrs_Stokke (Turn-of-the-century FReeper.)
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To: martinidon

I think the GOP would have held power in both chambers until the Foley thing happened. I’m still wondering where all these indictments are since Brian Ross claimed a crime was committed?


9 posted on 07/30/2007 10:58:39 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: martinidon

Get real. The Iraq war is unpopular and of course it contributed to our getting pounded in 06. The left wing media creates the discontent, but it is real nonetheless. It also doesn’t help that the GOP spits in the faces of conservatives with illegal alien amnesties, refusing to secure the borders, and spending money like Ted Kennedy on a drunken bender. Illegal immigration can be our issue in 2008. If our candidate is the guy who will secure the borders (not just promise it but do it) we could beat Hillary. If our guys continue to act like democrats, we are toast. Get your prayer rug ready so you can be like Vice-President Hussein Obama.


10 posted on 07/30/2007 10:58:46 AM PDT by Astronaut
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To: martinidon

But Rove “the Genius” said over and over and over it was opposition to Bush’s immigration scheme.

Now out of his mouth he tactily admitted he lied. Flat out lied over and over and over.

Actually what he says now is half true. All the exit polls ranked “corruption” as the no. 1 or 2 concern.


11 posted on 07/30/2007 11:00:02 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: martinidon

Whatever the circumstances were in 2004, we all must consider that in 2008 it will be Hillary against someone else. If that doesn’t scare you enough to vote for “someone else”, nothing else will matter.


12 posted on 07/30/2007 11:02:23 AM PDT by caisson71
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To: Astronaut
Agreed the Iraq war was unpopular; however, in my opinion, the scandals is what really did the Republicans in. The months before the election is was like Christmas morning for the dims. From corruption to pedophiles the Republicans had it all!
13 posted on 07/30/2007 11:03:08 AM PDT by martinidon
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To: martinidon

He’s right on that one!


14 posted on 07/30/2007 11:07:24 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: martinidon

Mr Rove is correct. The right was fed up with the RINOS and the corruption from others and a general housekeeping was performed. In 2008 the Moonbats will be ousted with great prejudice


15 posted on 07/30/2007 11:08:26 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72-73 ... USS Midway CVA-41 VA-93 Blue Blazers)
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To: martinidon; Admin Moderator
Search is your friend. Already posted here with 108 replies

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1872857/posts

16 posted on 07/30/2007 11:13:17 AM PDT by Kaslin (The Surge is working and the li(e)berals know it)
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To: martinidon

It wasn’t corruption or the War. If you ask me, it had to do with Republicans fleeing Conservative values, plain and simple.


17 posted on 07/30/2007 11:16:32 AM PDT by Pete (Run, Vaclav, run!!)
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To: martinidon
Rove is consistent in one thing: he is about half right. I wish Bush had a conservative adviser.
18 posted on 07/30/2007 11:18:07 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: martinidon

Whoever thinks the Iraq war didn’t have anything to do with the Republicans losing Congress is naive and are fooling themselves. Yes, there were other factors but the Iraq war was one of the major ones. Granted the media, day after day was rooting for the Republicans to lose Congress and did all they could to emphasize corruption and scandals. CNN was close to outright on the side of the Democrats wanting a party change. But the steady drumbeat of bad news coverage from Iraq really sealed the coffin.


19 posted on 07/30/2007 11:18:23 AM PDT by ruschpa
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To: martinidon

I agree wholeheartedly. Iraq was tough in 2004 when the Dems got pasted. Thank Randy Cuttingham.


20 posted on 07/30/2007 11:20:34 AM PDT by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: martinidon

Rove doesn’t have a clue. While the Republicans were sitting around with their thumb up their butt, the Democrats were pushing their agenda so they won the election. The problem for the Dems is that the Democrats haven’t done schick since the election. They have no agenda. What little they have done has been met with white teeth and steppin feet by the Republicans. The Republicans need to start sounding off about the impotence of the Democrats.

The great thing is that the Democrats can’t do anything without drawing the ire of the peace and impeachment nutbags.


21 posted on 07/30/2007 11:22:49 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: martinidon

More likely it was Repubs trying to out-lib liberals.


22 posted on 07/30/2007 11:23:59 AM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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To: ruschpa
CNN was close to outright on the side of the Democrats wanting a party change.

Fixed it.

23 posted on 07/30/2007 11:27:53 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: martinidon
Rove is correct - It wasn't the WOT/Iraq that cost the Republicans (other than, they didn't tout our successes enough regarding it!).

It has much more to do with Immigration, MSM's one-sided highlight of corruption on the GOP end...and the reality of history where the party out of power has always picked up seats in the 6th year of a POTUS -

The GOP candidate wins in 08, if he stands firm on victory in the WOT/Iraq (touts our successes), is firm on immigration and continued tax policy of GWB.

The DEMs lose on NS/WOT.....which is why the MSM are trying all they can to get the GOP to run away from those issues...

24 posted on 07/30/2007 11:50:40 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: martinidon

I’d argue with Rove that corruption was just a symptom of a lack of strong leadership to congressional republicans from either the President, the RNC, or the congressional leadership.

That is why the House has a “Whip”. To keep the coffle in line. When a congressman or senator decided to break ranks, he should have been strongly disciplined from day one. Such independence is no more tolerable among congressmen than it is in a military formation.


25 posted on 07/30/2007 11:51:18 AM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: caisson71
You're right of course but...Good luck making that argument around here. Too many self-righteous "I'm a Conservative and I won't support anyone else" people around here.

Better the Clinton S.S.R. than some candidate that doesn't meet their conservative "Litmus tests."
26 posted on 07/30/2007 11:52:13 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Never underestimate the ability of a Liberal to lie.)
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To: martinidon

You might add that the MSM have mining for Republican bad behavior for six years in hopes of finding something that would stick.


27 posted on 07/30/2007 11:54:39 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: martinidon

I think we conservatives have to share some of the blame. Going into the 2004 election, it was apparent that the Republican Congress and W were turning into the biggest spenders in history. All completely corrupted by special interests. We were fat dumb and happy having all the power and did not hold their feet to the fire. Maybe if we had screamed out the way we did against amnesty, things might be different today.


28 posted on 07/30/2007 12:00:01 PM PDT by Oldhunk
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To: martinidon

I would read it, but I have sworn off the Rove stuff for good. Blame others, not very suave.

Maccaca and Foley the last straws. Spend like drunken sailors, the first straws. And in between we had the earmark stupor. Which has been all fixed with a word change now.

Iraq was a message failure, and who would it be that was in charge of that message? In charge of countering the lies and false claims?

No more Clintons, no more Bushes, I am going cold turkey from here on out.


29 posted on 07/30/2007 12:06:25 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: martinidon

He forgot about the president causing Hurricane Katrina. Probably the biggest reason.


30 posted on 07/30/2007 12:22:50 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Sudetenland
Better the Clinton S.S.R. than some candidate that doesn't meet their conservative "Litmus tests."

Limited government is the only test that counts and Republicans have failed that test. Why vote for a big government Republican when you can get the real deal with a Democrat.
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31 posted on 07/30/2007 12:37:33 PM PDT by radioman
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To: Sudetenland

I believe the case can be made that the anger in 2004 against Republicans as it related to the ballot box was just wrong headed. A vote against Republicans in spite of the consequences we now experience with a Dimocrap Congress should be a wakeup call. I’m not saying that all Republicans should have been reelected but Republican alternatives would have been better.


32 posted on 07/30/2007 12:48:29 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: DustyMoment
The Dems did a pretty good job convincing the voting public that the Republicans were infested with pedophiles and openly cruising gays ~ and that Hastert and other Republican leaders just didn't care.

Not sure that helped the Dems with their little gay friends but it worked with the Republican base.

The recent discovery that an adult male Republican, David Vitter, actually liked girls, quickly disappeared from the news once the Dems and their running dog MSM lackeys realized that was undermining the pedophile routine that was so successful in the last election.

33 posted on 07/30/2007 3:22:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: martinidon

Corruption and doing nothing for conservatives from ‘06 to ‘08


34 posted on 07/30/2007 5:28:10 PM PDT by festus (I'm a fRedneck and proud of it.)
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To: martinidon

Rove is partially right. I think we will have a much better chance of success in 08 if our nominee is a squeaky clean outsider with little to no baggage.


35 posted on 08/01/2007 7:30:02 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate (Mitt4Change -------->Proven Executive Leadership ---------> Less Baggage)
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To: martinidon
Yea well I claim Rove cost the Republicans the election.
36 posted on 08/01/2007 7:33:28 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Beware of the seminar poster.)
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