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The Politics of Prohibition
Reason ^ | July 31, 2007 | Dan Boudreaux

Posted on 07/31/2007 11:55:26 AM PDT by notbackingdown

The standard, schoolbook history of alcohol prohibition in the United States goes like this:

Americans in 1920 embarked on a noble experiment to force everyone to give up drinking. Alas, despite its nobility, this experiment was too naive to work. It soon became clear that people weren't giving up drinking. Worse, it also became clear that Prohibition fueled mobsters who grew rich supplying illegal booze. So, recognizing the futility of Prohibition, Americans repealed it in 1934.

This popular belief is completely mistaken. Here's what really happened:

National alcohol prohibition did begin on Jan. 16, 1920, following ratification of the 18th Amendment and enactment of the Volstead Act.

Speakeasies and gangster violence did become familiar during the 1920s.

And Americans did indeed keep drinking.

But contrary to popular belief, the 1920s witnessed virtually no sympathy for ending Prohibition. Neither citizens nor politicians concluded from the obvious failure of Prohibition that it should end.

As historian Norman Clark reports:

"Before 1930 few people called for outright repeal of the (18th) Amendment. No amendment had ever been repealed, and it was clear that few Americans were moved to political action yet by the partial successes or failures of the Eighteenth. ... The repeal movement, which since the early 1920s had been a sullen and hopeless expression of minority discontent, astounded even its most dedicated supporters when it suddenly gained political momentum."

(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: alcohol; history; prohibition; taxes
Interesting look at how Prohibition wasn't just the government giving in to the gangsters and the populace's penchant for poison. Worth a look and discussion...
1 posted on 07/31/2007 11:55:29 AM PDT by notbackingdown
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To: notbackingdown

Prohibition was how the Kennedy Klan got rich beyond Joe’s belief.


2 posted on 07/31/2007 12:01:27 PM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: notbackingdown
Poison?

Some of us bless the wine.

ML/NJ

3 posted on 07/31/2007 12:02:00 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

I’m with you on that one. ;) Just taking a stab at a bit of alliterative goodness.


4 posted on 07/31/2007 12:04:45 PM PDT by notbackingdown
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To: ml/nj

The demonization of alcohol amazes me. It’s been with us for thousands of years and will be for thousands more. So simple to make, and has nice side effects when taken in moderation.


5 posted on 07/31/2007 12:12:07 PM PDT by toeknee32
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To: notbackingdown

Interesting take on history worth noting.


6 posted on 07/31/2007 12:16:05 PM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: toeknee32

Same goes for marijuana.


7 posted on 07/31/2007 12:17:05 PM PDT by Huck (Soylent Green is People.)
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To: backtothestreets

My thoughts exactly. Sad to admit it, but I am one of the kids who walked away from history class with the usual misconceptions about Prohibition. Maybe I’d heard this once before, but judging by how interesting I found this article to be, that time it didn’t stick.


8 posted on 07/31/2007 12:17:48 PM PDT by notbackingdown
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To: notbackingdown
So, if the history of alcohol prohibition is a guide, drug prohibition will not end merely because there are many sound, sensible and humane reasons to end it.

Yikes, so this is all about drugs, eh? I endured the 1960s, and that was enough. It doesn't seem to sink in with this chap that there's a reason the same people who adored totalitarian socialism then also loved drugs. What their two interests shared was an addiction to delusion, and a lot of neurotic anger.

Why is it that many Reason writers have trouble seeing the distinction between something good that it's possible to abuse—such as food, alcohol, or sexual relations—with substances that are intrinsically evil, such as what we call "drugs"?

God gave us wine. Not crystal meth.

9 posted on 07/31/2007 12:19:16 PM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: SamuraiScot
God gave us wine. Not crystal meth.

True. And he also gave us cannibis, which was part of the accepted physician's pharmacopia until 1937, when it was decreed that it makes white women have sex with black jazz musicians.

10 posted on 07/31/2007 12:38:12 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: SamuraiScot

I am reminded of a conversation from my junior year of college, during the last couple of weeks of the 1988 campaign. About a dozen friends and acquaintances were hanging around, and the topic of pot legalization came up (it seemed to a lot).

Friend: Man, you’ll never see it legalized, because if it was, you would see the biggest shift to the left this country has ever seen. The far right won’t allow it.

Me: How many people in this room smoke pot?

Friend: Everybody.

Me: Other than you, how many of us are voting for Dukakis?

Friend: Screw you, man.


11 posted on 07/31/2007 12:38:50 PM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: SamuraiScot
substances that are intrinsically evil

No substance is "good" or "evil"; inanimate objects can only be judged on their utility. Giving moral authority to a thing is a form of idolatry.

12 posted on 07/31/2007 12:39:21 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: notbackingdown

Interesting. Prohibition ended because the Government needed more tax revenue. Sounds right. As with all things in the world, ‘follow the money’.

Sounds a bit like the evils of gambling . . . until state governments realized they could get in on the cash flow. Now they run the games.

All the talk of banning tobacco will end the same way. Governments will continue to push in the direction of a ban until they have maximized the profit they can get from the tobacco companies. Then all talk of banning will end.


13 posted on 07/31/2007 12:40:28 PM PDT by live+let_live
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To: notbackingdown
I’d not heard or seen this perspective before, and I am quite certain it was never presented in any history class I attended. I’ve always enjoyed history and would have remembered such a perspective. Most likely you were never given such a perspective either.

This perspective would seem to have credibility as money, not ethics, drives so much of what occurs in politics. It seems most politicians will only find ethics, be they good or bad, when there is money in the mix.

14 posted on 07/31/2007 1:01:32 PM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: live+let_live

I suspect replacing the income tax with the FAIR tax might lead to drug legalization, since raising revenue from sin taxes would politically easier than raising FAIR tax rates.

But as long as congress has the bottomless barrel of the income tax, motivation to legalize will remain low.


15 posted on 07/31/2007 1:05:53 PM PDT by Valpal1 ("I know the fittest have not survived when I watch Congress on CSPAN.")
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To: notbackingdown

thanks, bfl


16 posted on 07/31/2007 1:10:19 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

I’m still getting acquainted with the FR acronyms...what’s “bfl?”


17 posted on 07/31/2007 1:12:56 PM PDT by notbackingdown
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To: notbackingdown

Makes perfect sence that FDR was a “wet”.


18 posted on 07/31/2007 1:14:20 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: notbackingdown

bfl means bump for later

Bump is giving credit for an interesting article. BTTT means bump to the top. It also generates attention for it because folks check recent comments to any article.

A ping is for directing someone to an article and its thread of comments.


19 posted on 07/31/2007 1:23:50 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: notbackingdown
Perhaps the reason why anti-smoking zealots have not sought an outright prohibition of tobacco products is that Legislators recognize that tobacco taxes are a large source of revenue for states. However this also shows the hypocrisy of the argument for if smoking were, as we are told by the anti-smoking zealots, killing infants in their beds and filling our hospitals and cemeteries, then would anything less than prohibition be ethical? We would then have to conclude that tobacco taxes are the ultimate death tax.
20 posted on 07/31/2007 1:55:23 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: notbackingdown; nicollo
Seems simplistic. Of course, excise taxes were tempting to the government. But it wouldn't have mattered much if the votes weren't there for repeal.

Al Smith had been more or less in favor of relaxation or repeal of prohibition during his 1928 presidential campaign, though he may not have said as much. Support for repeal was one reason his campaign was shot down.

Four years later anti-Prohibition sentiment couldn't be ignored. The presumed windfall of excise taxes sugared the pill for those who weren't convinced of the wisdom of repeal.

21 posted on 07/31/2007 2:05:20 PM PDT by x
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To: SamuraiScot
The article is factually correct and so are you.

My father used to tell me that when he was a boy, everyone knew where to get illegal booze, but he never encountered a drunk on the streets.

The demonstrated policy of the socialist utopian crowd is that the prefer a populace which is drunk or stoned. Witness the old Soviet Union policy to make vodka cheaper than safe drinking water. Witness the stated goal of the George Soros globalists to make drugs legal and encourage promiscuity.

22 posted on 07/31/2007 2:13:27 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: notbackingdown
Comparing drug prohibition to alchohol prohibition is idiotic. Alchohol is an integral part of Western Civilization. Heck, it even plays an important role in our main religion. The same cannot be said for other narcotics, and that's why drug prohibition has worked over the last 100 years or so a lot better than alchohol prohibition worked over its much shorter history.

The fact is, most people respect the drug laws. Many don't, but they are small enough in number so as to present a manageable crime problem. This problem will never be completely solved, but crime problems never solved, only managed, and as far as I can tell, law enforcement is managing the drug crime problem reasonably well. In contrast, most people did not respect the 18th amendment, and hence prohibition was not manageable.

23 posted on 07/31/2007 4:18:18 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; AmericanHunter; ..
"How government greed, not individual rights, ended America's ban on alcohol." (Reason.com)




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24 posted on 07/31/2007 7:03:49 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: ml/nj

Didn’t Jesus drink wine?


25 posted on 07/31/2007 7:18:44 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: notbackingdown

You’ve already gotten your specific answer. Search on “lexicon” and read the FR lexicon threads for much more. I noticed an updated one going around the other day.


26 posted on 08/01/2007 5:18:27 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: SamuraiScot
God gave us wine. Not crystal meth.

What about marijuana?

27 posted on 08/01/2007 7:17:34 AM PDT by jmc813
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To: notbackingdown

Very interesting — thanks for posting this. It’s another example of how one government encroachment (income tax) inevitably leads to another (prohibition).


28 posted on 08/01/2007 7:36:03 AM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: jmc813
God gave us wine. Not crystal meth.

What about marijuana?

Is it true that marijuana can cause of schizophrenia even in moderate doses? (Is that study well-reasoned?) Stuff likes that puts me off. That, and the fact that I never knew where the mildewy, long-haired guys at the party were getting the pot they were offering.

29 posted on 08/01/2007 11:15:26 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: notbackingdown

Bump for placemarker


30 posted on 08/01/2007 11:38:52 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: SamuraiScot

God gave us marijuana.

And God gave men the ability to synthesize drugs for curing ills as well as the ability to synthesize crystal meth.

Excess in anything is wrong. Nothing wrong with a few drinks or a few tokes and the government shouldn’t be making those decisions. That is anathema to freedom.


31 posted on 08/01/2007 2:28:26 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agee with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: Valpal1

Today drug merchants pay no income tax.

The Fair Tax would tax money spent regardless of origin.


32 posted on 08/01/2007 2:32:19 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (If you agee with Democrats you agree with America's enemies.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Didn't Jesus drink wine?” Jesus turned water into wine to make merry at a wedding. He made his own!
33 posted on 08/01/2007 3:05:58 PM PDT by kempo (blA)
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To: kempo

The other explanation that I’ve heard from my friends and family who go to weekly Bible study classes is that the “wine” they were referring to is really just grape juice.


34 posted on 08/01/2007 4:13:29 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
The other explanation that I’ve heard from my friends and family who go to weekly Bible study classes is that the “wine” they were referring to is really just grape juice.

Obviously Baptist or Church of Christ.

My relatives were and are, and I got the same lecture all of my formative years.

35 posted on 08/01/2007 5:25:14 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: inneroutlaw

Read the article at the link.


36 posted on 08/01/2007 6:50:43 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Actually they weren’t. Catholics and Orthodox.


37 posted on 08/01/2007 8:08:30 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Jim Robinson

You’ll find this article very interesting. I know I did, and really appreciated this historical perspective.


38 posted on 08/03/2007 11:03:03 PM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: notbackingdown

“Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.”

Benjamin Franklin


39 posted on 08/03/2007 11:12:39 PM PDT by allmendream
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To: live+let_live
Governments will continue to push in the direction of a ban until they have maximized the profit they can get from the tobacco companies.

That's the 'Third Way'! "I didn't inhale".

40 posted on 08/03/2007 11:13:51 PM PDT by budwiesest (Hilliary can't pick Obama now, his geo-dumbass is insufferable.)
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To: curiosity
In contrast, most people did not respect the 18th amendment, and hence prohibition was not manageable.

Which ammendment prohibits Hippie Lettuce? I'm against that too. If there isn't one, perhaps that explains why "most people" aren't against it.

41 posted on 08/03/2007 11:23:55 PM PDT by budwiesest (Hilliary can't pick Obama now, his geo-dumbass is insufferable.)
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To: curiosity
The same cannot be said for other narcotics, and that's why drug prohibition has worked over the last 100 years

Tell that to Ray Charles, Jimi Hendrix, and a few others who rocked the music world while buzzing along. "Have you ever been, experienced?"

42 posted on 08/03/2007 11:26:50 PM PDT by budwiesest (Hilliary can't pick Obama now, his geo-dumbass is insufferable.)
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To: SamuraiScot

Many got it in the back yard. They did not then stomp on it in bare feet and let little critters grow in it before consuming it, so I guess it is pretty unGodly.


43 posted on 02/05/2008 4:45:53 PM PST by publiusF27
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To: Vigilanteman
(Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)

V-man: I just noticed your tag from an ancient thread, and it warmed my heart to see the name of the valiant Massoud, requiescat in pace. I wonder if he could be God's signal to us that there are Moslem saints.

May we all reach Heaven, and be privileged to learn the answer.

44 posted on 02/05/2008 6:24:12 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: SamuraiScot

Thanks for the smile. Massoud was a good man who we ought to be holding out as an example to all Muslims rather than the whiners in CAIR.


45 posted on 02/05/2008 6:29:00 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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