Novak likes the idea of President Paul

Washington Times ^ | 7/31/07 | Eric Pfieffer

[Austin Willard Wright]

Ron Paul is against CAFTA and WTO because they promote politically managed trade rather than free trade. Actually, he is a more radical free trader than Bush in this respect because, like his hero Bastiat, Paul is for unilateral free trade.

[Austin Willard Wright]

Fred Thompson? That guy, makes General McClellan look like Speedy Gonzales when it comes to making decisions.

[agooga]

I do acknowledge that. My question was rhetorical. Your post seemed to indicate that the Constitution ENCOURAGED the US to spread democracy.

Jeez.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Wrong as usual my surrender monkey friend.

Correct as usual, my neofasciast friend.

The only thing you've contributed to the discussion is photoshopped spam picts, and even the implication given is wrong.

Parody most often represents the truth.

Unless of course, the point asserted was wrong from the beginning, as is the case of the parody you've presented.

In this case, a Ron Paul President would strengthen the global outreach of the jihad, while Paul and his spineless supporters retreat.

Quite the opposite. The islamonazis would loose their only real propaganda point with their own people ("infidels" in the holy land). They'd have to and would revert to killing each other. No great loss that.

Then the Saudis would have to take care of their own problems instead of singing their favorite song "Onward Christian Soldiers" every time they get their b@ll$ stuck on the barbed wire.

[lormand]

"The islamonazis would loose their only real propaganda point with their own people ("infidels" in the holy land)."

Translation:

911 was America's fault.

Foolish, and suicidal thinking

[elkfersupper]

There is nothing big government about a family taking care of its own. It is when families don’t take care of their own that big government steps in. I went to another country where a skin and bones child ran up to me and wrapped herself around my leg as I was walking. She held her hand up begging for money. Is that your idea of freedom, starving children begging in the streets?

In this country, private citizens, churches and civic organizations would take care of that.

You invite the federal government in, it's like killing gnats with a tank.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

Translation:

911 was America's fault.

Foolish, and suicidal thinking

No translation needed Eric, it's in English. English is one of the 15-20 languages you speak, isn't it Eric?

[lormand]

Nice try at deflection again, but still, you say...

"The islamonazis would loose their only real propaganda point with their own people ("infidels" in the holy land)."

What a dangerous and suicidal notion to give one rat's @ss about propaganda from 7th century barbarians.

Paulistinianism is a mental disorder.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

What a dangerous and suicidal notion to give one rat's @ss about propaganda from 7th century barbarians.

Yeah, no sense asking the guy who is pissed off at you why he's pissed off at you. </sarcasm>

Buy a clue Eric.

[lormand]

"Yeah, no sense asking the guy who is pissed off at you why he's pissed off at you"

I hear that holding hands with your enemy also helps.

Don't bring your purse to negotiate with these barbarians, you won't need any of it after surrendering to them.

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

I hear that holding hands with your enemy also helps.

Since nobody is advocating that, i'd have to take your word for it, as i haven't looked into the matter, and have no interest in doing so...i don't 'dialogue to consensus' with anyone, at least not in the affective domain.

Don't bring your purse to negotiate with these barbarians, you won't need any of it after surrendering to them.

Last i saw, Ron Paul didn't vote to 'negotiate' with ObL. He voted to support the effort to kill him. (In the words of Donald Rumsfeld to some incredibly stupid correspondant's question).

[lormand]

The problem with you guys is you think just killing ObL will solve our foreign policy problems (assuming we believe your stance against ObL) I'm puzzled by the mind of the Paulistinian though. If ObL was pissed because the US was on Arab land (the Saudi's invited us on their soil), why would we want to kill him. It was our fault for pissing him off right?

[Calvinist_Dark_Lord]

At last! An excellent and legitimate question from you. Well it gets a legitimate answer, so i'm going to drop the bull$#!t banter that's gone on between us (at least to answer this).

I'm puzzled by the mind of the Paulistinian though. If ObL was pissed because the US was on Arab land (the Saudi's invited us on their soil), why would we want to kill him. It was our fault for pissing him off right?

You're confusing motivation for fault. It is a GOOD THING to know the motivations of your enemy, and none of the so-called "Paulistinians" consider ObL as anything but an enemy.

Knowing the motivations of your enemy makes good tactical sense...read your Son Tzu The Art of War, excellent book...Understanding the enemy's motivation tells you how, and what you need to beat that enemy.

Do you seriously think that the CIA bin Laudin desk report that Paul cited is "blaming America" for the actions of al Qaeda? ~Of course not!

Ask any "Paulistinian" who is to blame for 9/11 (except for the Truther wackos), and they're going to tell you that:

• Osuma bin Laudin approved the plan.
• Osuma bin Laudin provided the financial resources.
• Osuma bin Laudin gave the go ahead to the 20 hijackers...there were 20 you know.

QED, Osuma bin Laudin is the blame for 9/11.

Now that's not to say that the US Government didn't screw up in preventing 9/11...That's the reason Paul supports another investigation, to find out who dropped the ball. That's the only "9/11 Truth" that interests Ron Paul. There is good evidence to suggest that people in our government did drop the ball on this one: Going back to the Clinton Administration.

On the larger question, leaving Iraq, and the Middle East takes away a huge propaganda point from ObL. It puts a hell of a lot of pressure on the Saudi Government, because he doesn't like them very much either. They have to deal with him, and i have doubts that they'll be able to buy him off like they've done for years. They have to handle it with their own "blood and treasure".

Al Qaeda is a militant Suni movement...not a lot of politicians know that...That being so, it's a thorn in the Shiite Iranian Government's side. That can destablise everything that the Iranians are trying to do in Iraq far better than we're able to.

For sure, they'll "do a deal" when they have a common enemy (us), but without us in the immediate picture, they're going to go for each other, like they have for centuries.

So no, motivation isn't blame, and Ron Paul isn't blaming America or the American government for anything except (in the case of the government protecting it's citizens), it's ineptness in preventing 9/11 when they had all the information they needed to do so.

That's a thumbnail sketch of Ron Paul's position on this matter. Just because Rudybots spin it to cover their candidate's shortcomings in knowledge of foreign policy, and his embarrrassment in getting caught short, doesn't make their spin correct...and make no mistake, Rudy didn't know what the hell he was talking about, so he resorted to bluster.

Fortunately, foreign policy is more than 15 second sound bites.

[George W. Bush]

Buy a clue Eric.

Dunno if I posted or flagged you guys on this. Dondero has surfaced!

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• This race for the GOP Nomination is vastly over. Rudy Giuliani has won. Latest polls have him at 37% way above the pack (next finisher is Fred Thompson with 14%). Very latest polls out of NH and Iowa have Giuliani inching ahead - Giuliani’s supposed weaker states. And he already has NY (obviously), Penn., NJ, Michigan, California and Florida in his back pocket.

  It’s time for all the also-rans to seriously think about dropping out. Thankfully, Jim Gilmore already has. Tancredo has suspended his campaign. Tommy Thompson is on the verge of dropping out.

  Ron Paul should be next, along with Huckabee and Brownback. All those hovering around the 1 to 2% mark in national polls, like Paul, ought to give it up.

  Here we are in August, 6 months after he announced, and Paul is still at 1 to 2% in all national polls. His support is an inch thick and an inch wide.

  This is a race for Giuliani, and to a lesser extent Romney and Fred Thompson. All the others are just wasting our time, and worse weakening us against our real enemy Hillary Clinton for the General Election.

  Comment by Eric Dondero — August 1, 2007 #

• Eric Dondero…what a tool.
  I’m glad he works for Giuliani now.

  Giuliani has ZERO chance in a general election. When is the Republican party going to wake-up?

  Comment by Michael — August 1, 2007 #

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  So, Eric… you are running against Ron Paul for the 14th CD? You haven’t got a shot in hell, pal. You didn’t get Ron Paul elected in 1996, as you claim. The people of Texas elected him. And Eric claims to speak 10 to 15 languages…? From what I’ve read about Eric, I almost feel a little sorry for this pathetic chap. So to quote Robert Mayer’s post on Last Free Voice, on May 16… which I think is fitting: “Dondildo is only fluent in one language - BULL#@#$. He’s going to run against Ron Paul? LOL! Bring it on, b----!”

  Comment by ronpaul2008nyc — August 1, 2007 #

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We have to get Dondi The Whoremongering Sailor to file for Congress!

[Had to hit Abuse and have my previous removed for one of the Seven Bad Words I hadn't noticed in it! Somehow, you know you're a troll if you start hitting Abuse on yourself.]

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Actually, the “Prince of Darkness” in DC-speak is Richard Perle, not Robert Novak.

[LibertarianInExile]

“The most conservative candidate in the race gets criticized by self-described “conservatives” for not expressing his foreign policy positions in the requisite Toby-Keith-lyric soundbites. ;)”

ROFLMAO!