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Mass Grave Sheds Light On Europe's Bloody History (1636 Battle)
Spiegel ^ | 7-31-2007 | David Crossland

Posted on 07/31/2007 2:48:21 PM PDT by blam

Mass Grave Sheds Light on Europe's Bloody History

By David Crossland in Berlin

Europe's soil is blood-soaked from centuries of fighting but rarely yields mass graves from battles that took place before the two world wars. One such grave has now been found near Berlin with over 100 soldiers who died in the 1636 Battle of Wittstock. Archaeologists say they can learn much from the skeletons which show terrible wounds.

An archaeologist gently uncovering a row of skeletons in the mass grave found in Wittstock near Berlin.

Archaeologists in Germany are examining a mass grave containing the skeletons of more than 100 soldiers who fell in a major battle during the Thirty Years War.

Workers came across the graves by chance while digging in a sand pit near the town of Wittstock, northwest of Berlin, in June.

"The special thing about this find is that there are only very few mass graves in Europe between 1300 and 1850 that can be attributed to specific battles," Antje Grothe, the archaeologist leading the excavation, told SPIEGEL ONLINE.

Historians and archaeologists called to examine the neat rows of skeletons quickly concluded that they were men who died in the Battle of Wittstock on October 4, 1636, when a Protestant army of 16,000 Swedes beat a force of 22,000 from the Catholic alliance of the Holy Roman empire and Saxony. Some 6,000 men died in the fighting.

Archaeologists are now excavating the site and have started to examine the skeletons, many of which show the dreadful battlefield wounds that killed them - bones smashed by heavy blades, skulls torn open by musket balls.

The rarity of such graves may seem astonishing given the hundreds of battles that shaped Europe's blood-drenched history. But the battlefields often stretched over a number of square miles,

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1636; archaeology; battle; europe; godsgravesglyphs; massgrave; militaryhistory; thirtyyearswar; vonclausewitz
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1 posted on 07/31/2007 2:48:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 07/31/2007 2:48:56 PM PDT by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

http://www.thehaca.com/spotlight/heymr.htm


3 posted on 07/31/2007 2:58:28 PM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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To: blam
Interesting stuff. That must have been a rough time to live.

I’m just glad that we’ve pretty much outgrown the practice of killing each other over differences in religious beliefs...well, at least those Religions that are modern and civilized that is.

4 posted on 07/31/2007 3:00:00 PM PDT by Gator101
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To: blam

Wow, cool!


5 posted on 07/31/2007 3:04:29 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: Gator101

Only the rationale for slaughter has changed. Look at the 20th century.


6 posted on 07/31/2007 3:04:48 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: Gator101

Northern Irish still appear at it.


7 posted on 07/31/2007 3:09:20 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: Gator101

We forget that even the English civil Wars were marked by savage battles. More than 200,000 died in England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland among a population of less than 10,000,000. A recent biographer of Luther has remarked that it would have been better for Europe if Luther had suffered the fate of Hus.


8 posted on 07/31/2007 3:12:04 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS
I just went to Prague last year and saw the Hus memorial. I was trying to imagine how terrifying it must have been to be some peasant just trying to scape a living and all the sudden your neighbors are choosing sides in a conflict that can end up getting you and your family killed in some pretty grisly ways.
9 posted on 07/31/2007 3:20:42 PM PDT by Gator101
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To: blam
Harvard was founded in 1636.

Coincidence?

I think not!

10 posted on 07/31/2007 3:22:47 PM PDT by x
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To: blam
One such grave has now been found near Berlin with over 100 soldiers who died in the 1636 Battle of Wittstock.

They must have eaten the brown acid.

11 posted on 07/31/2007 3:24:25 PM PDT by x
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To: x

Nah, it was probably the Purple Haze what got ‘em.
(bonus points if you get it!)


12 posted on 07/31/2007 3:37:59 PM PDT by blu (All grammar and punctuation rules are *OFF* for the "24" thread.)
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To: blam

Wow. The Swedes used to fight?


13 posted on 07/31/2007 3:51:25 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: blu

Woodstock, not Wittstock. What are the bonus points good for? Brown acid?


14 posted on 07/31/2007 3:53:05 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: yooper
Did they ever. Check out Gustavus Adolphus.
15 posted on 07/31/2007 3:57:06 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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Death tolls in old wars usually are less than in more recent ones, if only because it is easier to kill a lot more people with one weapon today. Though this is changing in some conflicts (not even wars) such as the ones in Iraq and Afghanistan (though it could be considered a war on the Iraqi/islamofascist side—they’re losing a lot of people, though not in the hundreds of thousands).


16 posted on 07/31/2007 4:46:09 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: yooper

Sweden actually has one of the most advanced militaries in the world, and has a decent amount of soldiers due to conscription. It is a neutral country, but that is not the same as pacifist.


17 posted on 07/31/2007 4:47:53 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: RobbyS

The author probably thinks the Middle Ages were a fun time, also. Maybe he even pines for the public burnings of heretics put on by the Church back then. Afterall, these spectacles were such great entertainment for the ignorant masses, as well as being didactic in nature! What this author reveals about himself is pretty ugly. It sounds to me like an endorsement of the repression formerly practiced by the RC Church. But I have often encountered this same sentiment among Catholics, so I am not surprised by it in the least.


18 posted on 07/31/2007 4:56:37 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Islam is a despotism so vile that it would warm the heart of Orwell's Big Brother)
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To: blam
Battle of Wittstock
19 posted on 07/31/2007 5:01:55 PM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0 (eHarmony reject)
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To: attiladhun2

I was giving the conclusion of Richard Marius, a recent biographer and admirer of Luther. Whether Luther was right or wrong theologically is beside the point, which is that he initiated an age of war motivated by religious fanaticism. Even the Reconquista, which lasted almost four hundred years,or the wars fought between Turks and Christians were never savage as the religious wars of Europe, especially those in France and Germany. Spain, England, Italy, and France were all saved finally by despotic governments. After 1648, religion no longer drove the wars of Europe. The despot Cromwell died early, sparing the country across the channel from another general like Henry V.


20 posted on 07/31/2007 6:38:21 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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