Posted on 08/01/2007 12:52:21 AM PDT by Lorianne
“This is Amar Bakshi from The Washington Post,” I introduce myself. “Daniel Pearl was Mossad. You must be CIA,” comes the response. Then I’m told to go upstairs.
It’s an eerie telecom greeting from Pala Koya, a self-proclaimed enemy of America who heads a hardcore Islamist outfit in Calicut, Kerala. But on the top floor I meet an old man who offers me masala chai. We drink and exchange pleasantries before he gleefully prophesies America’s demise.
Lately, I’ve spoken to a number of people who condone the killing of average Americans and say they celebrate 9-11 anniversaries with sweets. It’s disturbing talk, especially when they're so forthcoming with it to my face, as an American visiting them on their turf. But I’m not sure they mean it…
I remember hanging out with seven Britons underneath an awning in Blackburn watching rain pour onto an empty street. “I can’t imagine a Muslim doing something as terrible as 9/11,” someone starts out calmly. But as night falls, the conversation heats up. The group describes the plight of their friend who’s been detained for three years on terrorism charges. “He’s innocent and look what’s being done to him!” I even hear, “Someone kill Bush, please.” Then, “Americans deserve what they’re getting!” The following morning I met one of the men again. He’d been silent around the others, but told me one-on-one, “Don’t listen to them when they’re like that….They try to talk big when they’re all together.”
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On the evening of Sept 11 2001 young Camelshaggers were out in thier hundreds on Manningham Lane, a Muslim Ghetto area of Bradford in Yorkshire.
They were waving the green and white Paki Flag, and handing out sour gums to passers by. Those English people that refused the gums were threatened and abused.
To their credit some of the older, more secular Paki residents tried remonstrating with the ‘youth’ but to no avail.
During the next few days, as British people (including Sikhs, Hindus, Jews and Buddhists) sent their condolences to the bereaved of New York , Washington, and flight 77, all the Moslem community did was wander around wailing about ‘why are we getting the blame’, ‘thousands of our brothers and sisters are killed every week by the Israelis/Indians/Russians/Serbs/Thais/Philippinos’, not forgetting our favourite one, the corny, meaningless -
‘Let us all keep calm and have a period of reflection’.
3 months earlier the Moslem slum areas of Bradford, Bolton, and Oldham were in flames, started by the previously mentioned ‘youth’.
They hate America, but they hate my country more. Thats cool with me. I regard them as inferior beings and me and my crowd will never permit them to settle in our area.
Go Sheffield United!
Islamofacists have been telling us for YEARS, individually and collectively, that they hate us, whatever their reason “du jour”. I can only wonder what rock this guy has been hiding under.
We wish we could get the political elites over here to acknowledge what uncontrolled immigration has done to the UK. But they just want the votes, and the $$. Just walking down the street in London is eye-opening - could easily be in the Middle East.
Well Amar, here’s a news update for you:
Islam is the enemy. It’s adherents seek to dominate and rule the world both politically and religiously and if the infidels won’t convert, they must be killed.
That’s what it says in the Koran.
So in that vein, I say ‘p*ss on the Koran’, I’ll put my trust in King Jesus Christ.
I am reporting you to Jim Robinson for using bad language !
Wednesday till I die.
Tell me about it. I live about 4 and a half hours drive from London (no distance at all to you folk I know) but it might as well be light years away.
I sometimes get bored with where I live; it has it’s downsides, like everywhere closing at 5.30 pm, or everyone knowin my business.
But if I have to go down to London and walk down the Edgware Road, hearing the Head Camel Shagger wailing at the top of his tower, I am never so happy to get back to my village.
I worked in Bristol for 6 months in 2003 and absolutely loved it! Love your pubs but never could figure out cricket.
‘I remember hanging out with seven Britons’.
NO they’re not ‘Britons’ you f*****g numpty!!!!
‘Britons’ were the savage, blue painted natives of this island before the Romans came. Now we are importing modern savages.
I never took much notice of Islam or the Middle East until I went to Israel for 4 months in 1990. The first few days found me living and working with Israelis, and I confess I was a bit prejudiced torwards Jews at the time. My prejudice seemed justified as I found the people sharp, suspicious and rude. Of course it was due to the pressures they faced under the shadow of a bloodthirsty enemy bent on their destruction. By the end of my trip they were much valued friends, and I learnt so much about the Hebrew nation.
However, that trip 17 years ago was more significant because I witnessed the behaviour and views of that other lot : - Hate everyone, everything, exterminate everyone not like them, spending every waking hour plotting misery, and then wonder why the Jews have a successful infrastucture while they have lived in shanty towns for the past 60 years.
Bloody Fuzzy Wuzzies, they are obviously dim as well as savage.
I’ve never been to Bristol, its a fairly large city but seldom makes the news. All I know is that it has historical links with the American East Coast.
Cricket, well, it may be something that you have to be brought up with, but remember the USA has a cricket squad. It is managed by former Northamptonshire Bowler Peter Willy, and is based temporarily ay the University of Miami.
Perhaps some day our liberal and leftist “friends” will see these Islamics as “haters” and what they do as fomenting “hate”, since that’s entirely accurate and a fact. “Hater” is apparently reserved only for those with conservative views.
If nothing else, it (cricket) provides a superlative excuse to drink a pint (or three).
Well, I had to resort to beer on Saturday after India beat us at Trent Bridge, together with the players having to leave the field whenever a black cloud appeared !
Funny you should mention cricket because this is quite relevant.
2 Weeks after 9/11 my local cub went on an end of season weekend trip, not too far away, to West Yorkshire to play 3 friendly matches against local sides. Sometimes a club might go to tour a place where cricket is still new, like Ireland, Wales, or the Netherlands, Cyprus maybe.
Anyway we played in Dewsbury, between Leeds and Huddersfield. The first 2 games were fine, but our last one was against a side called Dar’ul Islam.
Yes exactly.
They were friendly at first, but as soon as we started batting I could tell that they regarded us as anything but guests. They kept changing the manual scoreboard, contested every decision against them, and kept claiming catches when they had really dropped the ball. At the interval we went in their clubhouse and saw in their changing room various posters of hairy bearded bandit types on the walls.
We started eating our basket of food we took along, and their captain came over and said ‘is them sandwiches cheese ?’ We said yes and he replied ‘oh sorry boys but you can only eat halal food here; you see if you eat non -approved stuff then someone from the mosque committee has to come and re - purify the place’.
Ok, we didn’t want to make mither, so we let it go. We only had a handful of peanuts while they did’t offer us their own. A second later they asked us to join them in prayer ! They all kneeled on the floor and the one leading it mumbled stuff about ‘enjoining what is right, destroying what is wrong, and gaining strength from Allah the all powerful, the irresistible ‘ etc.
After the break they were batting , and just argued and complained the whole time . Meanwhile more and more of their mates had turned up to watch, (I suspect watch their boys humiliating some infidels). They must have had some kind of identity crisis, because they were all dressed the same - like South Central LA gangsters complete with cannabis and a bottle of Bacardi. Now and again they would chant something in Urdu, and would scream with delight whenever we dropped a catch.
Afterwards we got changed and went back to the minibus. They had flobbed all over the windshield. The whole lot of them must have done it, it was covered in phlegm.
Our Secretary complained to the National Association of Cricket Clubs, outlining everything we had suffered, and that we wished to see some kind of penalty. No such luck, the NACC replied and said that Dar’ul Islam had denied the flobbing, and also counter complained on the grounds that we had accused them of cheating - which was ‘racially insulting’ since devout Moslems never cheat.
The NACC told us they were taking no action, and that maybe WE had inadvertantly offended them in some way, possibly by eating cheese sandwiches.
I hear that there is a Moslem cricket league over that way now. Good luck to them. Mind you, I can promise you this ; if they ever set foot in any of our local clubhouses, it’ll be pig’s knackers they will have to watch out for in sandwiches, not cheese !
Which side of Town are you from ? Near the Football Ground ?
My Dad came from Beighton Hill.
We have an outfit over here called CAIR. It’s basically a muzzie group demanding politically correct handling of all affairs pertaining to Islam. We even have a muzzie congressman now, from Minnesota I believe. He caused quite a stir when he refused to execute his oath of office on the Bible. Of course the USG gave in and allowed him to use the Holy Quran. People over here are beginning to awaken to the implications of caving in to these buggers, but the politicians continue to pander to them especially in areas where the muzzies are politically relatively strong like Detroit. GWB along with the pandering crowd on Capitol Hill just learned a bitter lesson about trying to allow uncontrolled illegal immigration .....closest thing we’ve had to an open rebellion since 1776. I for one do not want to witness the North American Caliphate during my lifetime.
This is totally OT, but I’m loving the rhythm and idioms of your ‘speech.’ Welcome to FR!
As another poster mentioned, we have CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations). Every time a potential terrorist gets nabbed - needless to say he’s one of their co-religionists - CAIR never condemns destruction of innocent life. Instead, it’s hang-wringing over the possibility of fed up Americans rising in a backlash against random Muslims. CAIR can’t approach anything resembling an apology for the actions of “isolated, radical Islamics” without adding a “but” to mitigate the culprit’s evil while thrusting blame onto the American government.
I was just joking. I’m really not a soccer fan. But I suppose now that I have thrown my support behind Sheffield United I’d better start paying attention!
In the UK, I've been to London, Oxford, Manchester, and Canterbury. Never been to Scotland or Wales. Had a good time, although coming from New York to London its almost as if I never left home (accent and lack of 24-hour subways being the main exceptions).
That has rather been my assessment of their national/religious character, too. Bitter, “eternally blameless?”, dark-age dwelling, retards.
Nearly every other religion on earth expects their advocates to aspire to transcend human faults and foibles. Islam, on the other hand, seems to demand their devotees sink, with absolutely no resistance, to the most base common denominator of human behavior.
Just walking down the street in London is eye-opening could easily be in the Middle East.
Muslims are on course to take over the automobile business in Atlanta. Next will be real estate.
They have the money most locals can’t compete with, and they dont care what they pay. Their goals are longterm.
Many car dealers in Atlanta are owned by muslims. The numbers are increasing exponetially. I figure this money goes back home to support terrorism. So Atlantans who are buying cars from them very well may be supporting terrorism.
Once they control the real estate market, an obvious goal,
they will own Atlanta. Millions upon millions to be sent home to support terrorism.
Meantime most Americans are diverted by their obessession regarding illegal mexican immigration. Talk about a godsend for muslims.
Aye, I have seen cooments on FR about that Minnesota Congressman, and he may not be the last.
They allowed him to Swear on the Koran ? The last time I looked, Christianity (Protestant ?) was the official religion of The USA. Why is this joker any different ?
Swear on the Koran ?
Use it as bog paper more like !!!!
Don’t tell me - This CAIR outfit has the Microsoft Excuses Wizard for Camelshaggers !
(1) ‘The perpetrators are not true Moslems, as our faith does not permit us to harm another human being’
(2) ‘Our youth are becoming radicalized because they feel shut out of mainstream society’.
(3) ‘Global Jihad is a defensive move against increasing advance of decadent Western Cultures ie alchohol, women’s equality etc.
(4) ‘ The rights of our brothers and sisters are continually under threat by the oppressive regime of Israel, USA, UK, Russia, Greece, Serbia, Ukraine, Poland, India, Sri Lanka, China, Canada, Thailand, Australia, New Zealand, Phillipines, and particularly Texas (OK I made the last one up).
(5) ‘Of course we utterly condemn this latest nuclear device set off in downtown Chicago, our sympathies go to the families of the 100,000 dead. But let us have a quiet moment of reflection, make sure America’s moslem community is not blamed, and call into question our nation’s foreign policy.
(6) ‘Is it true Western women do not wear panties on the dance floor ? That is vile.’
Yep. This is about right. Just like the Moslem Council of Great Britain.
I dont think I have heard anyone on FR or anywhere else sum these baskets up in one short paragraph.
I will reply to all you other posters, but it is 09.45AM here and I have been asked to go and see a client.
Speak to y’all in a few hours.
Perhaps the U.S., like Mexico, should enact laws prohibiting land ownership by foreign nationals? It might be a good idea.
Ah. The US Constitution says (paraphrasing) that the Congress shall not establish an official religion. This simple statement has been endlessly debated (some would say perverted) by our lawyers, and has metastasized into the ‘separation of church and state’ doctrine, which is a huge red herring.
Yes indeed. When I go on holiday to India, the whole day stops if their National team are playing, shops, offices, taxi ranks, and even Hindu temples and Christian churches are deserted.
I should point out that the team I spoke about in my post, (the ones that are scared of cheese butties) were Pakistani, or perhaps Kashmiri Moslems. Other teams including Carribean players have been maltreated by this mob. We’ve played a team of Sikhs from Nottingham, and they were great lads. Their temple has a dinner on Christmas day.
Lots of Hindus, Sikhs, and Christians from India will go loopy if you mistake them for Islamics.
Oh I see. So the US Government, Military, Civil Service is technically secular.
This may prove a problem in the ( not too distant ) future, if Capitol Hill gets more of these fifth - column congressmen, like the Minnesota Mullah mentioned earlier. They could demand more leeway when Congress proposes a new Bill on whatever subject you name, like their own schools or colleges ( The baskets are trying that over here ) , or they could demand all Moslem units in the US Army and request that they not be posted to a Moslem warzone. A handful of their Congressmen could start asking female Congress members to cover their heads and arms.
Once anyone started objecting to all this those CAIR people would only have to say ‘well so what ? This is not a Christan country, there is no official religion, and we have customs and rights that should be respected blah blah.’
See what I mean ?
By the way it just occured to me. If the US Constitution does not have a religion, why does it say ‘In God We Trust’ on some dimes and quarters I have in a jam jar at home, unless I am wrong, it says the same in all the Courthouses. Why does a new President, V-president, and Congressmen swear allegiance on the Bible ?
Please pardon me if all this looks like a display of ignorance. Sometimes I can’t get my head round British politics, let alone anyone elses !
PS Can any Freeper tell me if the US Constitution can be changed by a President in any way. Or must it stay the way it was formed in 1776 ?
The US Constitution can be changed by the Amendment process, details of which escape me at the moment (help, more astute FReepers, I’ve forgotten my government class instruction!). It is a somewhat arcane process, long and arduous. The “In God We Trust” thing is at the center of another raging controversy. Various atheists, agnostics etc. have brought court cases against it, and the courts almost always take the side of preservation of individual rights vs. the stated will of the Founding Fathers. Our military now does have a few Muslim ‘chaplains’ and believe it or not, at least in one case allows pagan rites in a base chapel. One USN chaplain was actually censured for praying ‘in Jesus’ name’ because saying so might offend the delicate sensibilities of non-Christians (despite the fact that NOBODY is forced to attend religious services at any military installation that I’m aware of). Crazy world, eh? It is always about politicians and votes, and at the end of the day you will discover the truth if you follow the money. Again I say, I sympathize with the plight of the good British people, and we over here are headed in the same direction if we don’t WAKE UP and shake up our politicians. A frog will jump out of a pot of boiling water, but if put in while it’s cool, will comfortably be boiled to death by slow application of heat.
Wow, they're just like Democrats! ;)
During my visits to the States, I found Washington DC to have a large Islamic population. They were largely home grown, African - American. Their favoured item of clothing seemed to be the Yasser Arafat type dishcloth, and a few were wearing djellabas. Near Union station I saw about 50 or 60 guys dressed in red bow ties and red fez type hats with a gold crescent badge. They were marching in columns like a military unit, and they all had an expression of out and out anger. Who are they ?
People over your side tell me some areas such as Newark, inner Detroit, SE Washington, Five Points in Atlanta, Chicago’s Near North Side , among others, have a swelling Moslem voter base, because new people are converting all the time. Has anyone told these dementos that it was Moslem Arabs that started the Slave trade in Africa as far back as the 9th Century. The Christian World didn’t even know where Africa was.
Oh well never mind. You, like me, must be used to Limey and Yankee getting the blame for everything from the Crusades to the methane from sheep and cows flumps causing global warming.
LOL! I shouldn’t be laughing because you essentially have it right.
CAIR (and the other self-appointed Muslim speakers) are careful to parse their faith as not allowing them to kill “innocent people.” Of course we realise what they think of infidels and People of the Book (Jews & Christians) so again that excludes many from the safety of the Koran’s innocence rules. And naturally, if the dead Muslim victims were of the wrong sect... Oh, and those involuntarily Muslim martyrs who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time as Allah wills it, or are too young to know better when Daddy and his poker buddies strap a bomb on them...
Aha, I see you have met the Calypso Louie (Louis Farrakhan) Nation of Islam crowd - at least that’s my guess. They are largely harmless and might even accomplish some good. Standing joke around DC is that the largest mosque on the East Coast is the cab stand at Reagan National Airport. Oh yes, we get blamed for so much that we just ignore it.
Well, it’s the Bill of Rights which may be changed through the Amendment process. That is done through Congress - our elected politicians.
But it’s proven much easier to simply distort and ignore those rights from the judges’ benches. Whether it comes via interpretations that counter our founding fathers’ restrictions on government powers or via ‘precedent’ setting decisions, encroachments have been made without altering the Bill of Rights itself.
....and, no, I doubt if any of “them” have ever studied enough history to know it was Muslim Arabs that started slavery.
The guys in the red Fezs (now there’s a plural!) were probably Shriners. They are a service organization, in existence for ages, that wear that particular odd costume. They raise funds for hospitals and other charities. One of their other peculiar behaviors is appearing as clowns in holiday parades. They are an admirable group, though.
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