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Harry Potter: 3 More Things I Learned
ExileStreet ^ | 8/1/07 | John Mark Reynolds

Posted on 08/01/2007 6:59:32 AM PDT by ParsifalCA

I am warning those who have not finished the series . . . and there must be still a few of them by now. . . that there are spoilers ahead. I have just finished the last book . . . having spent an enjoyable evening with it thanks to Sam’s Club and an indulgent wife.

I am done with Harry Potter and enjoying the literary aftertaste the way one enjoys a fine meal almost as much after it is done as when it is being consumed . . . though it is a bit sad that the series is finished.

And it is really finished . . .

Will one be able to re-read the books with pleasure?

I think the answer is only a tentative “yes.” If one knows the “puzzles” and “the secrets” of the book, it will not take away the charm of the characters or the fun of a good Quidditch match, but the first read will always be the best.

The strength of these books is in the plot and the second read, when everything is known, will be satisfying for finding all the clues to what happens . . . but I am hard pressed to know if I will want to re-read them a third or fourth time.

A really great book is as good on the fourth read . . . and some children’s books (Little White Horse) are better.

I deeply enjoyed the last book and thought the ending satisfying. For those who found them quite Christian, they will find much in this last book to give strength to their idea.

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1 posted on 08/01/2007 6:59:35 AM PDT by ParsifalCA
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To: ParsifalCA

One thing I have noticed about the Harry Potter stuff. People who are tuned into and follow politics don’t read or watch the garbage. What could this mean?


2 posted on 08/01/2007 7:03:36 AM PDT by jetson
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To: jetson; JenB; RosieCotton; SuziQ; Bear_in_RoseBear; Lil'freeper; retrokitten; null and void
People who are tuned into and follow politics don’t read or watch the garbage. What could this mean?

Beg pardon? Are you saying that people following politics don't read/enjoy Harry Potter?

To paraphrase Hagrid, you really shouldn'ta said that...

3 posted on 08/01/2007 7:08:17 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: ParsifalCA

I have reread the books, all at least once... I don’t remember and may have reread them more than that. I have also listened to the audio versions of all the books and I recommend that fans do that. It’s a completely different experience to listen to the books than to read them. I have started to selectively buy audio books (they are expensive) and especially used books. I bought this hard back last book at a used book store for $18. I’m now lurking in that same bookstore waiting for the audio versions of all the books. I belong to an audio lending club (like Netflix only audio books and that’s how I got them).


4 posted on 08/01/2007 7:08:34 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: jetson

Garbage about jibberish passes for literature today.


5 posted on 08/01/2007 7:13:42 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: jetson

I would like to add to your data sample set- I am a freeper since the beginning, and can tell you how often the news broke here first THEN appeared on the major newscasts.

And I have read the Harry Potter books several times, for myself and for my children.


6 posted on 08/01/2007 7:14:18 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: jetson

My husband and I both love Harry Potter and are extremely
addicted to politics. I think that the vile Delores Umbridge
has much in common with Hilary Clinton. And I’ve always
thought of Bill Clinton as Voldemort although Mr. V bears
an uncanny resemblence to James Carville.

Wife O’Buckhead


7 posted on 08/01/2007 7:17:44 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: jetson
What could this mean?

That you don't know very many people?

9 posted on 08/01/2007 7:18:05 AM PDT by Lil'freeper (You do not have the plug-in required to view this tagline.)
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To: Buckhead

oops, i don’t know how i accidentally posted three times-sorry!

wife o’buckhead


11 posted on 08/01/2007 7:19:52 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: Buckhead

Your posting wand must be backfiring...


12 posted on 08/01/2007 7:20:01 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: jetson
I dont know, I follow politics obsessively. Yet I also find that at the end of the day a good story about a world that never existed is fun and enlightening.

The creation of a fictional world allows one almost unlimited room for social commentary. Observe Gulliver's Travels which was scathing social commentary.

J.K. Rowlings does quite a bit of commentary on society, things which are appropriate to any time or age, but especially our own.

Evil is real and MUST be confronted. (ISLAMOFASCISM)

Ignoring the problem will make it worse not better. (Edwards and his ‘its a bumper sticker inanity’)

Evil cannot be appeased in the hopes that it will take you last. (Proff. Slughorn and others)

Pacifism is the worst sort of complicity with evil. ( High Inquisitor Umbridge)

Greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for his fellows. (Jesus is Lord)

Immortal lessons, especially applicable to our times. Also a good read and a good time with fun characters. What more do you want from a book?

13 posted on 08/01/2007 7:21:07 AM PDT by allmendream
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To: jetson
People who are tuned into and follow politics don’t read or watch the garbage. What could this mean?

That they prefer their fantasy in a slightly less realistic form? ;)

14 posted on 08/01/2007 7:21:17 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Corin Stormhands
Your posting wand must be backfiring...

I think a little Spell-O-Tape should fix it.

15 posted on 08/01/2007 7:22:29 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Corin Stormhands

Rats! I knew when the whomping willow hit it, it wouldn’t be the same!

wife o’buckhead


16 posted on 08/01/2007 7:24:33 AM PDT by Buckhead
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To: jetson

It could mean you are an unobservant idiot.

Look around. This is a POLITICAL website.

Now go look up Harry Potter as a keyword.


17 posted on 08/01/2007 7:25:43 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: jetson
You couldn't be more wrong. I enjoy reading and re-reading the Harry Potter series and I also follow politics quite closely. One does not preclude the other.

I suspect you were trying to make a point and badly missed - want to try again?

18 posted on 08/01/2007 7:26:25 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA (Never argue with an idiot. He will bring you down to his level and beat you with experience)
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To: jetson; Politicalmom

You really should take Politicalmom’s advice and try to know a little about which you are speaking before you go and show your butt to the world.


19 posted on 08/01/2007 7:31:04 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Cindy Sheehan for Congress! Because...well...just because!)
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To: jetson
You might want to look at a few Harry Potter threads here on FR.

Also, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix is a deeply political work. I’ve used it to edumacate my kids on how liberal politicians think, and how to circumvent them...

20 posted on 08/01/2007 7:32:01 AM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: jetson

Could mean you’re painting with too broad a brush. I follow politics and have read all seven books, and seen all five [as of now] movies. And while it isn’t “Lord of the Rings”, it isn’t ‘garbage’.


21 posted on 08/01/2007 7:33:05 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: ParsifalCA

I never watch a movie when it first comes out and I never read a book less than 2 years old.

That way all the hype can die down and I can make a well educated decision as to where best to spend my time.

For the record, HP has not made it on to my long list of books to enjoy.


22 posted on 08/01/2007 7:39:19 AM PDT by proudpapa (Thompson and/or Hunter.)
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To: ParsifalCA

I never watch a movie when it first comes out and I never read a book less than 2 years old.

That way all the hype can die down and I can make a well educated decision as to where best to spend my time.

For the record, HP has not made it on to my long list of books to enjoy.


23 posted on 08/01/2007 7:39:23 AM PDT by proudpapa (Thompson and/or Hunter.)
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To: proudpapa
Hmmmm. FR seems to be stuttering today, it’s not just you.

Should you get around to reading any of the HP books I’d be interested to know what you think of them.

FWIW, the first two aren’t as well written, she doesn’t really get into her stride until Prisoner of Azkaban.

24 posted on 08/01/2007 7:42:54 AM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: proudpapa

Your loss, but you seem to have two others to share in it.


25 posted on 08/01/2007 7:44:56 AM PDT by norton
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To: null and void; proudpapa
FWIW, the first two aren’t as well written, she doesn’t really get into her stride until Prisoner of Azkaban.

I hadn't realized how much she improved until I went back to re-read the series from the beginning. I finished Sorceror's Stone last week and am almost through Chamber of Secrets (I had a weekend diversion that kept me from reading).

But you're right. POA is where the writing really improves.

26 posted on 08/01/2007 7:46:38 AM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: ParsifalCA
The strength of these books is in the plot

I disagree. Although the plotting is good, and gets better as the series progresses, the real strength is the characters and setting.

That's why I've read some of the books three times, and occasionally pick one up from the library on a whim. It's fun to spend a little time (especially treadmill time!) with these people in this place.

27 posted on 08/01/2007 8:03:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: jetson
What could this mean?

That you associate with boring people?

28 posted on 08/01/2007 8:04:01 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: Lx
I think a little Spell-O-Tape should fix it.

Now you know that Spell-O-Tape on wands leads to tragedies like vomiting slugs.

29 posted on 08/01/2007 8:15:29 AM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: Corin Stormhands; null and void

“I hadn’t realized how much she improved until I went back to re-read...”

Probably when the “ghost” writer came onboard.

Whaaaa, haaa, haaa, haaa!!!!!

:)


30 posted on 08/01/2007 8:19:35 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: ParsifalCA

And just so we can put this all in perspective...

There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD.

Deut 18:10&11


31 posted on 08/01/2007 8:24:42 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: jetson

As someone who is keenly interested in politics and hasn’t started reading the Harry Potter books or seen any of the Harry Potter movies (except for a few minutes here and there on TV), I haven’t the slightest idea what it could mean.


32 posted on 08/01/2007 8:25:08 AM PDT by rwa265
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To: PetroniusMaximus
*GROAN*
33 posted on 08/01/2007 8:29:07 AM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Thanks for bumping the thread!


34 posted on 08/01/2007 8:29:15 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (Cindy Sheehan for Congress! Because...well...just because!)
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To: allmendream

Welcome to FR.


35 posted on 08/01/2007 8:29:34 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: null and void

No kidding. I actually wonder how many of these whiners that complain about Harry Potter have actually opened any of the books. More likely they just get their info from kook websites.


36 posted on 08/01/2007 8:32:38 AM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: PetroniusMaximus

And just so we can put this all in perspective ...

These books are fiction, so there is none of the activity you speak of actually happening. There is nothing in Deuteronomy that mentions that reading fiction on these topics is an abomination.


37 posted on 08/01/2007 8:33:51 AM PDT by dmz
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To: PetroniusMaximus

I’ll keep that in mind if I ever have a desire to actually try and to magic, rather than just reading children’s books about it, or watching “I Dream Of Jeanie”.


38 posted on 08/01/2007 8:38:54 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: dmz
“These books are fiction, so there is none of the activity you speak of actually happening. There is nothing in Deuteronomy that mentions that reading fiction on these topics is an abomination.”

Thank you.

Now if there was a very popular childrens series about a couple of crack-addicted, teenage, male-prostitutes - and this series described the kids life and habits in detail but also included a bunch of “life lessons” - would you want your kids to read this?

Remember, it’s all just fiction.

So, would you?

39 posted on 08/01/2007 8:39:31 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: allmendream; Tijeras_Slim

Welcome back Accygirl...


40 posted on 08/01/2007 8:40:06 AM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: Cymbaline

ping to #39.


41 posted on 08/01/2007 8:40:32 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Cymbaline

to = do


42 posted on 08/01/2007 8:41:07 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: null and void; allmendream

Even better!


43 posted on 08/01/2007 8:41:17 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: PetroniusMaximus
Now if there was a very popular childrens series about a couple of crack-addicted, teenage, male-prostitutes - and this series described the kids life and habits in detail but also included a bunch of “life lessons” - would you want your kids to read this?

Kids can become crack addicts and prostitutes (whether a particular story is fiction or not). Kids can't pick up a stick, say Protego!, and create an invisible shield.

Anticipating your next argument, you can cite statistics showing the exponential rise in Wiccan believers since Harry Potter came out, right?
44 posted on 08/01/2007 8:43:59 AM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: Cymbaline

Crack and male prostitution are real. Magic is not, any more than light sabers, transformers, Spiderman, etc. I think most people realize that.

It’s fantasy, escapism. Yes, there is a serious side which you address, but it’s as far from Harry Potter as it is to “Bewitched” or “I Dream Of Jeanie”.


45 posted on 08/01/2007 8:45:54 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: TexasAg1996

“Kids can become crack addicts and prostitutes (whether a particular story is fiction or not). Kids can’t pick up a stick, say Protego!, and create an invisible shield.”

Kids can not become involved in occultism????

Really???

I wonder why several B&Ns I’ve visited set out a display table of HP books and then fill a table right next to it will serious occultism books?


46 posted on 08/01/2007 8:46:56 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
The Bible has many stories of murder, rape, and torture. People being fed to lions, put in fierily furnaces, robbed and left for dead by their own brothers, etc. It also includes a bunch of “life lessons” - would you want your kids to read this?
47 posted on 08/01/2007 8:47:41 AM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: dmz
There is nothing in Deuteronomy that mentions that reading fiction on these topics is an abomination

No kidding. There's also nothing in the Bible about how reading about murder makes you a murderer. Go figure!
48 posted on 08/01/2007 8:48:37 AM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: allmendream

I was thinking about all the things you mentioned when I finished the last book.

In the course of fighting against evil and for a way of life that was good, many dear people were lost or injured.

I felt the most sorry about Fred because I thought of George and how his life would also die. It was odd, but she never mentioned George again.

But we have to keep in mind that, although there is a sad price for defending our way of life, it is worth it in the end.


49 posted on 08/01/2007 8:49:05 AM PDT by altura
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To: PetroniusMaximus

He didn’t say kids can’t become involved in occultism, he said they can’t pick up a stick and say “Protego!” and create an invisible shield. They are two different things.

All of the “spells” in the HP books were made up completely by JK herself. There’s no occultism there.


50 posted on 08/01/2007 8:49:39 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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