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New risks discovered for HPV (under fingernails)
Seattle Post-Intelligencer ^ | July 31, 2007 | Tom Paulson

Posted on 08/01/2007 11:01:53 AM PDT by mngran

Controversy continues to plague efforts to protect young women against cervical cancer by vaccinating them against HPV, the human papillomavirus, but one leading scientist's discovery could throw a monkey wrench into the debate.

"We found HPV under the fingernails of young men," said Dr. Laura Koutsky, a University of Washington epidemiologist.

Koutsky led some of the pioneering research and clinical trials that resulted in an HPV vaccine, Merck's Gardasil, recently approved for use in girls and young women. The reason her fingernail finding is a potential bombshell has to do with why the vaccine is controversial.

HPV, which is the leading cause of most cervical cancers, is primarily a sexually transmitted disease. Opponents of HPV vaccines believe that immunizing girls against this virus sends the message that engaging in sex at a young age is acceptable behavior.

The presence of HPV under fingernails, she said, at the very least suggests another possible route of transmission. It's an additional route of infection, she said, that could explain some previous apparent anomalies such as HPV infection in infants and young girls who had not yet engaged in sexual activity.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cancer; gardasil; health; hpv; hpvvaccine; humanpapillomavirus; merck; promiscuity; riskybehavior; vaccine; vaccines; women
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I've said this before: I've had too many family members die from cancer, and I think every woman should get this vaccination. Now it sounds like you can get HPV from non-sexual activity. Why would anyone not want their daughters and mothers and sisters to be protected as best they can from cancer?
1 posted on 08/01/2007 11:01:58 AM PDT by mngran
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To: mngran
So what? How is it suppose to get from his fingernails to h...

Oh.

2 posted on 08/01/2007 11:03:52 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: mngran

HPV virus in men can cause health problems, too. The vaccine doesn’t work for them?

“It can increase a man’s risk of getting genital cancers, although these cancers are not common. HPV can also cause genital warts in men, just as in women.”


3 posted on 08/01/2007 11:04:47 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: mngran
The presence of HPV under fingernails, she said, at the very least suggests another possible route of transmission.

Or it may not, not to get too graphic about it. And it definitely doesn't suggest that there has been a long-term study of this vaccine's effects on . . . anyone at all! Talk about making a market for yourself by government fiat. Yeah, I trust your research.

Merck's been nailed for carelessness and a shallow research bench before. I wouldn't bet on that pony, thanks.

4 posted on 08/01/2007 11:05:47 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: mngran

Many people feel that the vaccine itself carries too many risks.

Also, no one has to answer you. Parents make the decisions about what is best for their children here in America. Not overwrought “nannyism” bantering on about people they know who got had cancer.


5 posted on 08/01/2007 11:06:20 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Support America, Support Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: mngran
"It's for the children!" or "Minority women hit hardest"

Both are the siren call of the Moonbat Liberal.

Take it someplace else.

L

6 posted on 08/01/2007 11:08:45 AM PDT by Lurker (Comparing moderate islam to extremist islam is like comparing small pox to ebola.)
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To: Abathar

How did the HPV get under the fingernails of the young men..., Oh...


7 posted on 08/01/2007 11:09:20 AM PDT by astounded
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To: GulfBreeze

Divide and conquer. Make it a “women’s issue” even though HPV affects everyone. If men were also vaccinated, even in the absence of their own medical risks from HPV, it would protect even women who had not gotten the vaccine.


8 posted on 08/01/2007 11:09:45 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: Lurker
In Texas our RINO governor (former Democrat) tried to push this through by “executive order”. The issue had never been discussed during the preceding campaign.
9 posted on 08/01/2007 11:11:01 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: astounded; Horatio Gates

Well I now know how I got HPV in my nose, between my toes, and under my arms.


10 posted on 08/01/2007 11:13:30 AM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (There once was a dream called, "Hippy Beat Down." The mere whisper of if caused cops to weep.)
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To: mngran
Why would anyone not want their daughters and mothers and sisters to be protected as best they can from cancer?

The key to your statement is as best they can. Have you seen the recent TV commercials from a lawyer trolling for "victims" of the dye used in kidney MRI's? There are many of us concerned about what we don't know about medical technology and what is put into our bodies. I will not subject my prepubescent daughter to a vaccine with little if any history of trials with children her age, certainly not following them through puberty and into their childbearing years. As best I can means educating her about the morality and consequences of sexual activity, NOT subjecting her to medical experimentation. Further, she STILL needs the behavior modification since the vaccine offers only partial protection.

Signed, DES baby. Yeah, been there, done that. Thank goodness I was male (but it might explain a few things - who can I sue?)

11 posted on 08/01/2007 11:13:48 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: GulfBreeze; Lurker

I didn’t say anything about having the nanny state force people to take the vaccine. I said I thought everyone should get this vaccine, and here’s more evidence why. But I’m sure posting is more fun for you if you can call me a moonbat and a liberal and an advocate of nannyism instead of thoughtfully considering new scientific evidence that may help save people’s lives.


12 posted on 08/01/2007 11:14:20 AM PDT by mngran
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To: weegee

AFAIK the vaccine doesn’t work on men.


13 posted on 08/01/2007 11:14:58 AM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: GulfBreeze

Hey, if someone wants to do it because their family suffered, that is fine. But if you don’t want to, fine. But slamming someone for trying to encourage others is not “nannying,” its advice.


14 posted on 08/01/2007 11:17:46 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: mngran

Have you had many family members die from cervical cancer? You know, all adult women have been advised for at least 30 years (long before the HPV/cancer connection was even hypothesized) to get annual Pap tests with prompt follow-up treatment for any irregular results.


15 posted on 08/01/2007 11:17:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: weegee
HPV virus in men can cause health problems, too. The vaccine doesn’t work for them?

It does, but the cancer risk to men is minimal, unless they're gay, which puts them at risk for anal and rectal cancers.

Btb, a recent study found HPV 16 in 25% of the tissue samples taken from 253 patients diagnosed with head and neck cancers, which suggests a strong link between HPV 16 and oral cancer. So, it's theoretically possible to catch HPV 16 from kissing.

16 posted on 08/01/2007 11:18:41 AM PDT by Mordacious
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To: weegee
Medical interventions are examined by risk vs. benefit and cost vs. benefit.

HPV presents a much greater risk for women so the benefit of vaccinating them is much greater. Thus justifying spending more money on vaccinating them.

Men shouldn’t feel completely left out. Straight young men should receive some benefit from “herd immunity”.

17 posted on 08/01/2007 11:18:55 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Mordacious
diagnosed with head and neck cancers

Can you give an example of "head cancers"?

18 posted on 08/01/2007 11:20:25 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

How about between your teeth and under your tongue???? ; )))


19 posted on 08/01/2007 11:21:35 AM PDT by astounded
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To: weegee
it would protect even women who had not gotten the vaccine.

The men who are pushing the vaccine don't care about that.

20 posted on 08/01/2007 11:22:21 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: mngran; whitedog57

The article is an obviously “pro-mandatory” vaccination piece. If I mistook your comments to be supporting the whole concept of the article I apologies.

You have as much right to your opinion as anyone else but if anyone is supporting “coersive” or “mandatory” vaccinations, then I think they are “nanny staters”.


21 posted on 08/01/2007 11:22:39 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Support America, Support Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Tax-chick
Can you give an example of "head cancers"?

Not touching that one :)

22 posted on 08/01/2007 11:22:58 AM PDT by Mordacious
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To: Tax-chick

They don’t care about anything but their profit margins.


23 posted on 08/01/2007 11:23:18 AM PDT by darkangel82 (Socialism is NOT an American value.)
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To: weegee

nonetheless, it should not be mandatory.


24 posted on 08/01/2007 11:23:45 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Support America, Support Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: mngran

Government has no business mandating such a vaccine. Period.


25 posted on 08/01/2007 11:23:55 AM PDT by Politicalmom (Of the potential GOP front runners, FT has one of the better records on immigration.- NumbersUSA)
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To: Mordacious

Shoot, I didn’t even think of that! It was a series question :-).

How about “neck cancers”? Are you talking about esophagal cancer?


26 posted on 08/01/2007 11:25:16 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: mngran

I think all young boys and men should be vaccinated immediately......infact, it should be a state law.....


27 posted on 08/01/2007 11:25:19 AM PDT by cherry
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To: mngran

The best protection from cervical cancer is yearly pap smears.


28 posted on 08/01/2007 11:25:25 AM PDT by elc
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To: darkangel82

Clearly.


29 posted on 08/01/2007 11:26:08 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: dangerdoc

The herd isn’t immune. There is migration to college and populations that have not been vaccinated. The men are carriers with their own risk factors.


30 posted on 08/01/2007 11:28:16 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: cherry
as a follow up, of course I am joking ....the govt. has no business whatsoever in ordering vaccinations.....

my other jibe is I do get very sick of primarily men telling girls and women what they HAVE to do....like, preventing pregnancy is woman's work, and men shouldn't have to worry about it....(NOT!)

31 posted on 08/01/2007 11:30:47 AM PDT by cherry
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To: mngran

32 posted on 08/01/2007 11:33:24 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: mngran
I've said this before: I've had too many family members die from cancer, and I think every woman should get this vaccination. Now it sounds like you can get HPV from non-sexual activity. Why would anyone not want their daughters and mothers and sisters to be protected as best they can from cancer?

I respect what you've been through and how you feel. However, you should respect that it should be up to no one bu the parents to decide to which UNnecessary vaccines their children are subject. Cancer is not a communicable disease and this is not some huge public health emergency. This vaccine is pretty much untested, and no one knows the efficacy or the longterm side effects. So, to turn your question around, why would anyone want their daughters and mothers and sisters to become guinea pigs for a pharmaceutical company? JMO.

33 posted on 08/01/2007 11:34:15 AM PDT by USArmySpouse
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To: GulfBreeze

In America, you have to prove your children are vaccinated prior to enrolling them in school.

Public health programs are more complicated than simple personal choice.

Cities have to sterilize the public water supply.

New homes have to connect to approved septic systems.

Certain employees are required to submit to anual TB testing.

Food service workers are required to submit to testing during outbreaks of food related illness.

Public health is not the same as nannyism. It is the primary cause of increased longevity around the world. The damage to the Public Health System caused by the granting of civil rights to the HIV virus will haunt us for years.

The reason some people are screaming about vaccination for HPV is that it is perceived to be a sexually transmitted disease. These howls of protest threaten to give HPV the same civil rights that HIV enjoys. The significance of finding HPV under fingernails shows that it may be spread independent of sexual practice. A chaste young woman could be exposed to the HPV virus and eventually develop cancer from the use of tampons. She may also pass on this virus to her monogomous husband when she marries.


34 posted on 08/01/2007 11:39:01 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: Tax-chick
Shoot, I didn’t even think of that! It was a series question :-)

Sorry. My dirty mind strikes again.

How about “neck cancers”? Are you talking about esophagal cancer?

I was talking primarily about oropharyngeal and laryngeal cancers, which, according to this particular study, had the highest incidence of HPV 16 in tissue samples - 68.7% in laryngeal samples - but the study mentioned the entire oral cavity.

Incidentally, the same study also found that smoking and drinking rates were much higher in the people with the HPV 16 infected tissue samples.

35 posted on 08/01/2007 11:39:16 AM PDT by Mordacious
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To: mngran
The CDC...estimates that 25 percent of all women in the U.S. are already infected with the [HPV] virus...

I absolutely don't believe this. They need to test everyone in the country for the HPV virus, if they believe that 25% of women are infected. It sounds like they are in league with the vaccine companies, in order for the vaccine companies to make money. Does the CDC get a kickback?

36 posted on 08/01/2007 11:40:50 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Evil never stops.)
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To: dangerdoc

Women aren’t the only ones who get it nor are they they only ones at risk for cancer from it.

But calling it a “women’s issue” politicizes it like AIDS/HIV.


37 posted on 08/01/2007 11:40:56 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: mngran
The elephant in this room is the cost of these ‘free’ HPV immunizations. I understand that the full course of shots costs over $300. I don’t recall having the public debate about the best place to spend this money, and it appears to be a big pile of dough. Of course, politics doesn’t really care about health, it cares about politics. If that were not true, then why have the several States spent such a small percent of the Tobacco Settlement funds on helping people to stop smoking, or in really paying for their medical expenses?

If HPV was so costly in the form of costs of care and treatment, we would see health insurance carriers urging their policyholders to be immunized.

I agree with a previous poster: it is not any of the government’s business if I force my daughter to get the shots or not.

39 posted on 08/01/2007 11:41:18 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Mordacious

That’s very interesting. Thanks!


40 posted on 08/01/2007 11:42:07 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: weegee

If the entire female population were immunized, it would have the effect of protecting the straight male population. I don’t see how this isn’t clear.


41 posted on 08/01/2007 11:42:53 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: mngran; Froufrou

Keeping one’s fingernails short and washing one’s hands after using the toilet might mitigate HPV somewhat. Might help; wouldn’t hurt.

The “WHO Guidelines on Hand Hygiene in Health Care” states that:

• “Failure to comply with hand hygiene is considered the leading cause of health care-associated infections.”

• “Each year, at least two million patients in the USA acquire one or more healthcare-associated infections during their stay in hospital.”

• “Every day 247 people die in the USA as a result of a health-associated infection.”

Infectious diseases, caused by unclean hands, are the leading causes of death and disease worldwide

and the third leading cause of death in the United States.


42 posted on 08/01/2007 11:43:54 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: mngran
I do not agree with anyone receiving this vaccination. Merck's so-called studies are a disgrace. Why would anyone trust a company who brought us drugs like Vioxx and Fosamax?

Back in June, it was reported that over 1,600 adverse reactions, including three deaths, had been linked to Gardasil, Merck’s new vaccine.

It appears those reactions, and deaths, are steadily rising. A review of the National Vaccine Information Center revealed the following, quite alarming, statistic about this unnecessary vaccine: 2,207 adverse reactions to Gardasil have been reported. Among them:

5 girls died

31 were considered life-threatening

1,385 required a visit to the emergency room

451 of the girls have not recovered as of July 2007

51 of the girls were disabled

Gardasil “may be more dangerous than consumers have been led to believe,” according to one public-interest group, and an editorial in the New England Journal of Medicine has also raised questions about the vaccine's effectiveness.

Did you know that 90% of all HPV cases clear up on their own with proper diet and proper medical treament?

Plus, five minutes of homework will reveal that NOT ONE fertility test was done on any of the so-called Merck female test subjects for Gardasil. Merck also does not recommend the vaccinations after the age of 25. Hmmmm....why is that????????????????????

Don't drink the koolaid! LOL!

43 posted on 08/01/2007 11:44:06 AM PDT by BossLady ("People will do anything, no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul" - Carl Jung)
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To: dangerdoc
She may also pass on this virus to her monogomous husband when she marries.

Not if he's been vaccinated! Please encourage him to run out and take advantage of this risk-free protection from potential future infection ... even if he's 10 years old right now.

44 posted on 08/01/2007 11:44:13 AM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: dangerdoc
In America, you have to prove your children are vaccinated prior to enrolling them in school.

Alternatively, you can submit a form to the school district that certifies that you object to the vaccination on religious grounds. Most states have such forms available for download on the web. Your assertion that this is mandatory "in America" is simply false.

45 posted on 08/01/2007 11:47:18 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

If you are not a JW or 7DA, it is mandatory, unless you choose to lie.

The fact that there are exemptions does not negate there is a legal mandate. My statement stands.


46 posted on 08/01/2007 11:51:50 AM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

Hmmm...mom was rather anal about nail trimming. (/off color comment)


47 posted on 08/01/2007 12:00:24 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (8/7/07 - It's salmon week on the Horatio Gates channel.)
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To: dangerdoc
The fact that there are exemptions does not negate there is a legal mandate. My statement stands.

Stand on this link. I used this very form when the schools tried to force hepatitis B vaccinations on my sons.

48 posted on 08/01/2007 12:11:16 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: mngran
I've had too many family members die from cancer, and I think every woman should get this vaccination.

If your family members are dieing of cervical cancer, it suggests that they are not getting proper medical care. I would suggest an immediate change in GYNs.

49 posted on 08/01/2007 12:15:29 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: LucyT

If this weren’t true, we wouldn’t be seeing hand cleaner on hospital walls. Too bad they aren’t used more.


50 posted on 08/01/2007 12:16:56 PM PDT by Froufrou
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