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Vanity: Civil War Research; Three simple questions

Posted on 08/02/2007 9:24:27 PM PDT by bicpen

Hi,

If you could please answer a few quick questions for me, I would be most appreciative. Thanks so much!

If you were looking for information online about President Lincoln what URL would

If you were looking for information online about the Civil War what URL would you type?

If you couldn't find either of these websites by typing in your best guess as the web address, what search terms would you key into an online search engine?


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1 posted on 08/02/2007 9:24:31 PM PDT by bicpen
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To: bicpen

I think you’re looking for what Google offers and it’s their specialty.


2 posted on 08/02/2007 9:26:08 PM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: bicpen
Try this; has worked for me in the past.
3 posted on 08/02/2007 9:28:58 PM PDT by indcons
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Oops...www.google.com


4 posted on 08/02/2007 9:30:26 PM PDT by indcons
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To: bicpen

Okay, I’ll be nice. Post your specific questions here please. If they are interesting/challenging enough, I’ll ping the Military History ping list.


5 posted on 08/02/2007 9:33:18 PM PDT by indcons
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To: bicpen

It would help if you shared what your looking for. You won’t get flamed about things your unaware of. Freepers flame the ones you either know what their talking about, or Don’t know what their talking about. The basic questions will have the best response.


6 posted on 08/02/2007 9:33:43 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: bicpen

Every Lincoln executive order, proclamation, etc.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/


7 posted on 08/02/2007 9:34:22 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Make all taxes truly voluntary)
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To: bicpen

IBTZAB


8 posted on 08/02/2007 9:34:24 PM PDT by stylin19a (Go Bears !)
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To: bicpen
If you were looking for information online about President Lincoln what URL would... you type?

These two:

LINCOLN site:www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/

SECESSION site:www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/


9 posted on 08/02/2007 9:34:42 PM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee
Here are two more:
lincoln walter williams

secession walter williams


10 posted on 08/02/2007 9:39:27 PM PDT by KayEyeDoubleDee (const Tag &referenceToConstTag)
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To: indcons
Actually, I have a question for you.

I have found plenty of lists of the generals who were killed in the war, but do you know of a list of the brigade commanders who were still Colonels when they were killed? I know that there were three or four who were killed at Gettysburg, so it is probable that there were others over the course of the war.

11 posted on 08/02/2007 9:40:46 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: KayEyeDoubleDee

I see quie a few results with DiLorenzo’s name on it - I had the pleasure of knowing/meeting the man a few times at the Mises Institute. The last time we met, it was at a downtown bar in Auburn, AL, right after “The Real Lincoln” was published.


12 posted on 08/02/2007 9:42:04 PM PDT by indcons
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To: Stonewall Jackson; 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten; 6323cd; 75thOVI; Adrastus; A message; AnAmericanMother; ...

Sorry, don’t know the answer but I am think somebody on the list might know.

Can somebody shed some light on Stonewall Jackson’s question: “I have found plenty of lists of the generals who were killed in the war, but do you know of a list of the brigade commanders who were still Colonels when they were killed? I know that there were three or four who were killed at Gettysburg, so it is probable that there were others over the course of the war.”

Thanks in advance.


13 posted on 08/02/2007 9:45:33 PM PDT by indcons
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To: Stonewall Jackson
You are one smart people feller!


14 posted on 08/02/2007 9:45:55 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: bicpen

Ask Jeeves, troll.


15 posted on 08/02/2007 9:51:57 PM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: indcons
"It is painful enough to discover with what unconcern they speak of war and threaten it. I have seen enough of it to make me look upon it as the sum of all evils."
16 posted on 08/02/2007 9:55:54 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: pissant

I posted that because he doesen’t understand why the war between the states existed. It could be naivety.


17 posted on 08/02/2007 10:00:45 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

Bump for later.


18 posted on 08/02/2007 10:01:25 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: bicpen

Seems you are looking for this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApxnAr6pRt0


19 posted on 08/02/2007 10:04:37 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: bicpen; indcons

Sorry about that indcons, that was meant for bicpen. :^)


20 posted on 08/02/2007 10:18:55 PM PDT by eyedigress
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To: indcons

Did you say Military History ping list?? * perks up ears *


21 posted on 08/02/2007 10:23:03 PM PDT by Ingtar (The LDS problem that Romney is facing is not his religion, but his Lacking Decisive Stands.)
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To: bicpen
For information on President Lincoln, surf over to the Lincoln Presidential Library & Museum.
22 posted on 08/02/2007 10:27:20 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: bicpen

Here are some Civil War URL’s I’ve found helpful:

American Civil War: History, Battles, Maps, Pictures

http://americancivilwar.com/

American Civil War Home Page

http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/warweb.html#crisis

Timeline of Events leading to the American Civil War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_events_leading_to_the_American_Civil_War

US Civil War FAQs, Parts 1 and 2

http://www.landfield.com/faqs/civil-war-usa/faq/part1/

Excerpts of the Southern Historicsl Society

http://www.gdg.org/Research/SHSP/shsp.html

The Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies

http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/moa/sgml/moa-idx?notisid=ANU4519-0001


23 posted on 08/02/2007 10:29:36 PM PDT by benldguy
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To: bicpen
Rutgers University maintains a good website for Civil War resources on the Internet.
24 posted on 08/02/2007 10:35:20 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: eyedigress
All of my ancestors who fought in the Civil War were on my mother's side (my dad's family was still in Europe at the time), and most fought for the South. A large portion came from Walkin County, Georgia and served either in the 2nd Georgia Cavalry under Forrest and Wheeler or in the 16th Georgia Infantry of Cobb's Legion, which served in McLaw's Division of Longstreet's Corps. Others were in Texas and served in McCord's Frontier Cavalry (46th Texas Cavalry), where they guarded the northwestern frontier for just over a year before heading down to Galveston to help prevent the Federals from recapturing the port (it had surrendered in October, 1862 but had been recovered on January 1, 1863).

My mom has been doing a lot of geneology research recently and has found at least five of my ancestors who died in the Civil War. One was killed during a cavalry skirmish in Tennessee in 1863; another was mortally wounded during the Battle of Crampton's Gap at South Mountain, Maryland; two others died of illness in Richmond hospitals; and a fifth was captured at Cold Harbor and was sent to a Union POW camp in Elmira, New York, where he died of diptheria just a few months later (he is buried in the National Cemetery there at Elmira and I plan on driving up there next year during my trip to Gettysburg and Antietam).

25 posted on 08/02/2007 10:51:51 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: bicpen

you need to sevice your vanity thread mr first day here...it’s considered good manners unless you tell folks upthread you are going to be out.

if you are trolling for stormfront style links to shame this forum for some fair and balanced clown then you are at the wrong address

if I’m wrong, I’m sorry


26 posted on 08/02/2007 11:04:57 PM PDT by wardaddy (O'Reilly....I'm ashamed I bought two of your books, you liar)
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To: eyedigress
Oops, my mistake, the 16th Georgia was part of Cobb's Brigade. Cobb's Legion was also part of that brigade.

The brigade was commanded by the older Cobb brother (who was originally the 16th's regimental commander) and the Legion by the younger.

27 posted on 08/02/2007 11:18:23 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: bicpen
If you were looking for information online about President Lincoln what URL would

www.Google.Com

If you were looking for information online about the Civil War what URL would you type?

www.Google.Com

If you couldn't find either of these websites by typing in your best guess as the web address, what search terms would you key into an online search engine?

"President Lincoln" or "American Civil War."

28 posted on 08/03/2007 3:07:37 AM PDT by Tennessee_Bob ("Those who "abjure" violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.")
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To: indcons

Don’t know if this thread will be zotted or not, but I’m going to print to PDF for preserving link references. My bookmarks are enormous now. :)


29 posted on 08/03/2007 5:01:29 AM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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To: bicpen
You joined today to ask these questions? If you are serious about learning more about President Lincoln and the Civil War (War of Northern Agression, etc.), you should visit your local library and borrow books on the topics you are interested in. You'll need to read them thoroughly, not just gloss over specific sections.

In order to truly learn anything, you need to read a variety of historical and biographical books, that means more than one book on a specific individual, battle, causes of the war, etc., to garner opposing viewpoints. It's also important to visit a number of historical socieities, archives, library manuscript departments, etc., to read the actual words of the men who served on both sides. It's amazing what you can learn from correspondence/documents written during the war. It's important to remember that leg work is still the only true way of thoroughly researching a topic you are interested in. If you rely solely on the internet for your information, you are missing a great amount of significant historic facts.

30 posted on 08/03/2007 6:30:45 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: bicpen

Ken Burns seems about your speed.


31 posted on 08/03/2007 6:33:18 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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bump


32 posted on 08/03/2007 6:39:35 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: bicpen
You might want to start a correspondence with Gabor Boritt As a native Hungarian who escaped the Russians in the '50s, he brings a pretty fresh perspective to the war without the North/South biases most native born Americans do, and is considered one of the premier scholars on the conflict and the personalities involved.
33 posted on 08/03/2007 6:47:14 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: bicpen

If you were looking for information online about the Civil War what URL would you type?

That’s rather a broad topic. Is this for a research paper for school or just personal curiosity?


34 posted on 08/03/2007 7:27:42 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: bicpen
If you were looking for information online about the Civil War

The English Civil War? Start here: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CivilWar.htm

Or were you looking for the War of Northern Aggression?

35 posted on 08/03/2007 9:27:49 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: bicpen

Appears we have a troll here, by the way.


36 posted on 08/03/2007 9:30:19 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Stonewall Jackson
Walkin County? No such place. We have a Walker county, in the NW corner of the state, where Chickamauga and Lookout Mt. are located. There's also a Walton county southeast of Atlanta on I-20, Monroe is the county seat IIRC.

My mother's family were small tradesmen in Augusta GA who immigrated from Scotland around the time the war began. Some of her maternal relatives fought in the war, but most were too old or too young. My father's family made up for it. Of my direct ancestors, Grandpa Long was in the 51st AL Cavalry (Partisan Rangers) under Col. Morgan, Grandpa Glover was a lieutenant in the 55th Alabama Infantry, and Grandpa Dent commanded Dent's Battery, Hindman's Div., Deas's Brigade. Also had a passel of cousins, uncles and assorted kinfolk in various Georgia and Alabama regiments.

It's interesting to look at the orders of battle -- because at the company level I'm related to or know most of the folks in my relatives' units. And it makes ya go hmmm sometimes -- for example this entry: John T. Stewart. Elected Captain on December 12, 1861. Not reelected, May 8, 1862. John Stewart married Grandpa Glover's oldest sister. He wasn't re-elected because he was killed at Shiloh.

37 posted on 08/03/2007 11:59:58 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: bicpen; Non-Sequitur

For Lincoln ping Non-Sequitur. He has so much info at his finger tips.


38 posted on 08/03/2007 12:05:00 PM PDT by carton253 (And if that time does come, then draw your swords and throw away the scabbards.)
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To: bicpen

Why would a newbie end up at FR instead of Google for research on such generalities?


39 posted on 08/03/2007 12:08:21 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: AnAmericanMother
That's what I get for trying to post at 2 in the morning.

They were from Walton County. Company F of the 16th Georgia was composed entirely of men from this county.

40 posted on 08/03/2007 8:47:43 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: bicpen

Here.

 

 

 

 

 

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41 posted on 08/03/2007 9:04:42 PM PDT by itsamelman (Announcing your plans is a good way to hear God laugh. - - Al Swearengen)
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To: bicpen; stainlessbanner; 4CJ; stand watie
Best Link for Information on the 16th President

Lots of articles and links to other sources. You can find out quite a bit on the War of Southern Independence there as well

Bump request for any additional sources on the 16th President and War Between the States information

42 posted on 08/03/2007 9:10:40 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"My politics are short and sweet, like the old woman's dance. I am in favor of a national bank ... in favor of the internal improvements system and a high protective tariff." ~ Lincoln, Campaign Speech, 1832

You'd think after 170 years some Republicans would have smartened up. Guess not...

"[Free trade is a system whereby] some have labored, and others have, without labor, enjoyed a large portion of the fruits.... To secure to each laborer the whole product of his labor, or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any good government." "[International trade] is demonstrably a dead loss of labor... labor being the true standard of value." ~ Lincoln, Feb. 15, 1861

Spoken like a man that receives letters of commendation from Karl Marx....

The 16th President In His Own Words

43 posted on 08/03/2007 9:17:44 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears
So Lincoln was a Henry Clay disciple. If that was such an evil to be avoided, the southern Democrats would not have broken away from Douglas and ensured Lincoln's election.

Lincoln's economic errors pale when compared to the thoughts of the VP of the Confederacy:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

I think most people will agree that a civilization based on tariffs, no matter how economically inefficient, is preferable to a civilization founded on slavery.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world." - Mississippi's Declaration of Secession

44 posted on 08/03/2007 11:02:08 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: billbears
Lincoln, Feb. 15, 1861

Lincoln was in Cleveland on February 15, 1861. And the speech he gave there bears no resemblance to what you've just quoted, billbears. Link.

Reduced to making up quotes now?

45 posted on 08/04/2007 4:52:03 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: billbears
"The legitimate object of government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done, but cannot do at all, or cannot do so well, for themselves, in their separate and individual capacities."

Let's look at that quote in context, billbears. Something you absolutely hated doing, I know, but is often necessary after one of your attacks.

"The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves---in their separate, and individual capacities.

In all that the people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.

The desirable things which the individuals of a people can not do, or can not well do, for themselves, fall into two classes: those which have relation to wrongs, and those which have not. Each of these branch off into an infinite variety of subdivisions.

The first---that in relation to wrongs---embraces all crimes, misdemeanors, and non-performance of contracts. The other embraces all which, in its nature, and without wrong, requires combined action, as public roads and highways, public schools, charities, pauperism, orphanage, estates of the deceased, and the machinery of government itself.

From this it appears that if all men were just, there still would be some, though not so much, need of government." -- Abraham Lincoln July 1854(?)

Now what, exactly, is wrong with that?

46 posted on 08/04/2007 4:56:33 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Say N-S do you any good books on the military campaigns of Caesar?
47 posted on 08/04/2007 5:07:05 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade
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To: StoneWall Brigade
Can't say as I do. It's not been a period of history that's piqued my curiosity much. I seem to be moving backwards in time, going through the Napoleonic wars and now I'm reading more on the Revolution. At the rate I'm going I should reach Caesar's campaigns by my 186th birthday.

Only exception to that is Rober Graves. I read, and loved, "I Claudius" and "Claudius The God" year s ago. It's historical fiction, but very, very good historical fiction.

48 posted on 08/04/2007 5:12:33 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Dang Stonewall Jackson,
I had a ggg-uncle who died of typhus at the Union POW camp in Elmira, New York too. By coincidence he had the same first, middle and last name as me. He was captured at the Battle of Helena. Basically, we lost every male member of the family over the age of 13. I think it was 14 or 15 all told. They were with the 11th, 12th, 13th, 17th and 18th Arkansas Infantry Regiments and one CS Marine Corp., aboard CSS Atlanta.
The Genealogy stuff is interesting, a tremendous amount of records on line, but really tedious to search through. The word is patience and perseverance.


49 posted on 08/04/2007 5:27:03 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: BuffaloJack

One of the best Civil War site on the internet is at http://www.CivilWeek.com. It contains a day by day account put together with newspaper clippings, letters, official dispatches, and orders. Very well done.


50 posted on 08/04/2007 5:32:49 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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