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CAIR going after Giuliani for "his promotion of linking the faith of Islam to terrorism"
CAIR ^ | July 24, 2007

Posted on 08/03/2007 7:30:00 AM PDT by Ooh-Ah

Action: Contact the Giuliani Presidential Committee

GIULIANI TO DEMS: USE THE WORDS 'ISLAMIC TERRORISTS'

Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani took Democratic White House hopefuls to task Monday for being soft on terrorists and hard on capitalism.

Speaking to an invited audience of about 100 local GOP members, the former New York mayor said he was concerned that if a Democrat wins the White House the nation would take a defensive stance in "the war on terror" and become more vulnerable to a domestic attack.

"At no time during their three debates have they used the words 'Islamic terrorists,'" Giuliani said of the Democratic contenders who as he spoke were debating at The Citadel military college in South Carolina. "If they do tonight, I will take credit for it."

ACTION: CONTACT THE GIULIANI PRESIDENTIAL COMMITTEE

CONTACT the Rudy Giuliani Presidential Committee to express your concerns about his promotion of linking the faith of Islam to terrorism.

CONTACT: (As always, be POLITE.)

Rudy Giuliani Presidential Committee
295 Greenwich St, #371, New York, NY 10007
Tel: 212-835-9449, 646-943-7890
E-mail: webteam@joinrudy2008.com

FOR BACKGROUND ON THIS ISSUE, SEE:
http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=44621&theType=NB




TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cair; crushcair; crushislam; giuliani; islam; islamicterrorists; muslims; terrorism; trop; wot
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1 posted on 08/03/2007 7:30:06 AM PDT by Ooh-Ah
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To: Ooh-Ah

Don’t they know this will only contribute to the G-man’s support?


2 posted on 08/03/2007 7:31:42 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

They must be very worried about the G-man.


3 posted on 08/03/2007 7:32:51 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Ooh-Ah

It’s not a matter of faith. The linkage is to the life of Mo’ and to the “religious” texts.


4 posted on 08/03/2007 7:33:05 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Islam is the religion of violins, NOT peas.)
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To: Ooh-Ah

CAIR, and it’s 1900 members might just put Rudy over the top.

Silly jihadists


5 posted on 08/03/2007 7:33:12 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Dems '08 choices are a Manly woman, a Womanly man, or an naive Senator)
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To: samtheman

Democrat Rudi is now campaigning in the Dim party against their candidates. That’s where he belongs.


6 posted on 08/03/2007 7:33:37 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Here’s CAIR’s link:

Tuesday, July 24, 2007

CAIR Backgrounder: Islam Has No Ties to Terrorism
Source: The Miami Herald

CAIR: ISLAM HAS NO TIES TO TERRORISM

[Parvez Ahmed is chairman of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.]

Five years into President Bush’s declaration of the “global war on terrorism,” the latest State Department report shows a 25 percent increase in worldwide terrorist attacks over the previous year. Terrorism is an abominable tactics, not an ideology. Thus declaring “war” against it, while politically expeditious, is in reality temerarious, as it only attacks the symptom without addressing the cause.

Global patterns show that terrorism is not exclusive to any one group. Between 1980 and 2003, the world’s leader in suicide terrorism has been the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, a group that recruits from the predominantly Hindu Tamil population in Sri Lanka. According the Terrorism Knowledge Base (tkb.org), between 1968 and 2007, the largest purveyors of terrorism have been groups affiliated with communist/socialist or nationalist/separatist ideology.

Despite this, Islam continues to be conflated with terrorism.

The intertwining of political rhetoric with religious imagery by groups like al Qaeda certainly precipitates the notion of some intrinsic link between Islam and terrorism.

This perception is greatly assisted by a veritable cottage industry of neo-experts pontificating with great certainty about the cause-effect relationship between Islam and terrorism. Such mischaracterization is at odds with the reality that Islam unequivocally condemns terrorism and advocates the preservation of life, honor and dignity of all human life as a supreme endeavor. Thus, terrorism even when carried out in the name or defense of Islam cannot be called jihad but is rather an unholy war. Robert Pape in his seminal work Dying to Win contends that military occupation, not religious ideology, is the primary enabler of terrorism.

Douglas Streusand and Harry Tunnell of the National Defense University in a recent paper argue that characterizing terrorism committed by Muslims as “Islamic” alienates billions of peace loving Muslims worldwide. Using terms like jihadist to describe terrorist misrepresent legitimate Islamic concepts of jihad, which to most Muslims mean striving for good. Calling terrorists jihadists also legitimizes an un-Islamic activity in the eyes of the disenfranchised Muslims, thus aiding recruitment. Developing an alternative vocabulary is a necessary but not sufficient step towards addressing the problem of terrorism.

The State Department report cites continued instability in Iraq as one of the major reasons for the increases in terrorist acts. Terrorism is indeed a consequence of wars of choice such as Iraq, but it also has historic links to other wars of necessity such as the Cold War.

During the Cold War, U.S. financing, recruitment and arming of foreign fighters to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan led not only to Soviet retreat but also its demise. However, the enabling of a culture of drugs to finance the war and the deliberate injection of religious rhetoric to motivate recruits had unintended consequences. Compounding the problem, unlike post World War II Europe, no Marshall Plan was enacted to rebuild Afghanistan where out of a population of roughly 15 million, a million Afghans had died, an additional 1 ½ million were maimed, and five million had become refugees. Amid this death and destruction, with a country littered in drugs and guns, violence became law enabling terrorists to carve out safe havens.

Failed states, like occupations, can also breed and incubate terrorism.

To contain terrorism, if not eliminate it, the way forward is to engage in common-sense methods of intelligence gathering without criminalizing entire groups of people, military strategies without resorting to indiscriminate bombings and enabling the emergence of democratic and civic societies by eliminating foreign occupations. Addressing grievances cannot automatically be dismissed as appeasement. Britain succeeded in disarming the IRA by engaging them, not ignoring its demands. In fact, the conversion of terrorist groups into peaceful political movements has often occurred when their rationale for violence ceased to exist.

In a recent Washington Post article, Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security advisor to President Jimmy Carter, called upon moderates, including Muslims, to from a global alliance “to terminate the political conflicts that spawn terrorism.” This alliance is only possible when American foreign policy changes course to reflect America’s values of liberty and justice for all, with an unwavering commitment to dialogue and diplomacy.


7 posted on 08/03/2007 7:34:02 AM PDT by Ooh-Ah
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To: Ooh-Ah

Oh the nerve!!!!


8 posted on 08/03/2007 7:34:39 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: rhombus

Prediction: The more CAIR goes after him, the more his support grows.(not really going out on a limb with that prediction)


9 posted on 08/03/2007 7:36:33 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Truth : Liberals :: Kryptonite : Superman)
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To: Ooh-Ah

“ISLAM HAS NO TIES TO TERRORISM”

BWWAAAAHHAHHHAHHHAAAHHHAAAAHAAAAHHAAAAAAA


10 posted on 08/03/2007 7:36:35 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Its true....not all muslims are terrorists....But its also true that 99 percent of terrorists are Muslim.


11 posted on 08/03/2007 7:37:51 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Hard to believe it’s taken this long for someone to say this. Somehow I don’t think this will be presented by the DBM.


12 posted on 08/03/2007 7:37:53 AM PDT by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid./LOUD and PROUD!)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Good try, CAIR, but you won’t trick me into supporting Giuliani that way.


13 posted on 08/03/2007 7:39:21 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("Saudi Arabia is the grown-up version of an imaginary friend." --Dennis Miller)
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To: George W. Bush

At least he’s the only one with a pair big enough to state the obvious.


14 posted on 08/03/2007 7:39:35 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: the OlLine Rebel
“ISLAM HAS NO TIES TO TERRORISM”

Other funny statements:
"John Edwards cares for the little guy"
"Hussein Obama would make a brilliant President"
"Hillary is a caring, humble woman with a soul"

15 posted on 08/03/2007 7:40:18 AM PDT by kromike
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To: Ooh-Ah

Oh, so the 9/11 terrorists were Presbyterians...

OK.


16 posted on 08/03/2007 7:41:03 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: MrB

Really? I thought they were Mormons. ;-)


17 posted on 08/03/2007 7:41:44 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Rudy’s got this right.

ISLAMIC TERRORISTS
COMMUNIST CHINA/CUBA
HOMOSEXUAL

Word hijacking drives me right up the wall. It’s so incredibly dishonest.


18 posted on 08/03/2007 7:41:47 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Prediction: The more CAIR goes after him, the more his support grows.

Did his campaign pay CAIR to go after him? (It would be a smart move.)

19 posted on 08/03/2007 7:42:07 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Ooh-Ah

Man! Rudy couldn’t PAY for this kind of endorsement!


20 posted on 08/03/2007 7:42:19 AM PDT by CaptRon (Pedicaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Ooh-Ah

I don’t like Rudy Giuliani, but if he were wise he would give the same response to CAIR that these people did.

http://www.meforum.org/press/1716

Brit Hume reported last night on Fox News that the YAF told CAIR that they “would not be intimidated” by them, and they could “go to Hell and take their 72 virgins with them!”


21 posted on 08/03/2007 7:43:58 AM PDT by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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To: Ooh-Ah

LOL. Cair is going to more for Guilianna among conservatives than anyone else could . . .

Meanwhile Mitt Romney just said that Hamas has social programs we should emulate . . .

Guilianna up, Romney down.

Go Hunter.


22 posted on 08/03/2007 7:44:01 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Ooh-Ah
In a recent Washington Post article, Zbigniew Brzezinski, national security advisor to President Jimmy Carter, called upon moderates, including Muslims, to from a global alliance “to terminate the political conflicts that spawn terrorism.” This alliance is only possible when American foreign policy changes course to reflect America’s values of liberty and justice for all, with an unwavering commitment to dialogue and diplomacy.

In other words, CAIR said "go pound sand". This would be funny if it weren't deadly serious.

I will say this: I don't support Giuliani, but he does have the WOT right.

23 posted on 08/03/2007 7:44:19 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Fred.)
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To: Ooh-Ah
He said two words Bush has been afraid to say: "Islamic terrorists." I can understand why CAIR hates that man: he isn't afraid of them. And yeah, the Democrats are spindly on the enemy and on defending our country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

24 posted on 08/03/2007 7:46:04 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Maybe that’s because CAIR considers what we call Terrorism to be Jihad. Maybe we should call it Jihad too.


25 posted on 08/03/2007 7:46:21 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Ooh-Ah
ISLAM, not Catholic, Protestant, Baptist or Hindu are the ones strapping C4 belts on and murdering people going to market.
ISLAM, not Catholic, Protestant, Baptist or Hindu are the ones slicing through the throats of innocents, on tape for broadcast.

If the religion fits!

CAIR IS a racist, terrorist supporting SMALL organization.

26 posted on 08/03/2007 7:47:07 AM PDT by hophead ("Enjoy Every Sandwich")
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To: Halgr

PaleoPaulie won’t be inviting you over to celebrate the end of Ramadan.


27 posted on 08/03/2007 7:49:38 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: samtheman

Helps make me take a more positive view of him, for sure.


28 posted on 08/03/2007 7:50:29 AM PDT by Zechariah11
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To: Ooh-Ah

“his promotion of linking the faith of Islam to terrorism”

Islam IS the problem. It is a wicked vile religion invented by a square head, murderous pig named Mohammad.


29 posted on 08/03/2007 7:51:12 AM PDT by JackRyanCIA (Our next generation will be reading the Spanish version of the Koran.)
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To: BlackElk

LOL


30 posted on 08/03/2007 7:52:43 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: rhombus
At least he’s the only one with a pair big enough to state the obvious.

The leftwing mayor would be a great improvement for the Dims if he ran as a Democrat. Which is what he actually is.

I think the biggest Rudi-bashers around here would have no objections if he'd switched parties and ran as a Dim. I know I wouldn't at least.
31 posted on 08/03/2007 7:54:03 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa, wets himself over YouTube)
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To: JackRyanCIA

Christ warned us of the coming false prophets...and sure nough....Mohammed showed up right on schedule.


32 posted on 08/03/2007 7:56:28 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: George W. Bush

Yeah, whatever. I’m not that threatened when someone I don’t support says or does the right thing.


33 posted on 08/03/2007 7:56:51 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: samtheman

It just did. Maybe I’ll re-assess my views of him.

Anybody the Muzzies hate has to have something good going for him.


34 posted on 08/03/2007 7:58:26 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Ooh-Ah

Called and thanked Rudy for living in reality.


35 posted on 08/03/2007 7:59:11 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Ooh-Ah

CAIR is going to learn the hardway that this isn’t France where only 3% of the population goes to church anymore.


36 posted on 08/03/2007 8:08:30 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Judgment day is coming for the Islamofascisti.

They won't get their dream of paleoPaulie in our White House aurrounded by his cowardly platoon of Islamofascist loving ostriches and appeasers.

They won't get to have Rudy who is too liberal to ever smell a GOP nomination and too easy a foil for the Islamofascisti. Imagine the photographs circulating worldwide of cross-dressing Rudy at the pervert fundraiser, with the powdered and rouged face, the fake beauty mark, and the ballet dress. To Iran's would be holocaust maker, Ahmanutjob: Sorry, Mohammed, the GOP isn't stupid enough to let Rudy anywhere near the White House.

When Arthur Branch prosecutes Ahmanutjob, Osama bin Laden and their many pals, he won't be using leftist lawyers like Jack McCoy but the military forces of the United States and any other nations that care to take a share in the destruction of the Islamofascisti.

37 posted on 08/03/2007 8:13:24 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: MrB
Oh, so the 9/11 terrorists were Presbyterians...

Wrong, it was a rouge Amish Sect /S

38 posted on 08/03/2007 8:20:07 AM PDT by cpdiii (Pharmacist, Pilot, Geologist, Oil Field Trash and proud of it.)
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To: NeoCaveman

CAIR-Crappy A@$ Islam Rhetoric


39 posted on 08/03/2007 8:21:14 AM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: TommyDale
Brit Hume reported last night on Fox News that the YAF told CAIR that they “would not be intimidated” by them, and they could “go to Hell and take their 72 virgins with them!”

The interesting thing is, if more Americans would stand up to groups like CAIR, you would hear a lot less out of them. They squawk now because most people won't confront them about the glaring fact that most worldwide terrorism is carried out by muslims.
40 posted on 08/03/2007 8:30:45 AM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Stop that!)
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To: Halgr
Its true....not all muslims are terrorists... YET!
But they are working on it!

BTW - some just support terrorism, like CAIR. Laking the jihadist jewels these cowards wouldn't lift a finger to stop terrorism they rather like that true orthodox Muslims will kill so they don't have to.

CAIR should love Rudy! Terrorist want to die for the cause and He wants them dead. A marriage made in heaven - now if Rudy can only be faithful to this marriage.

41 posted on 08/03/2007 8:31:20 AM PDT by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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To: Ooh-Ah
well, let's see...Nihad Awad, a founding member of CAIR was just recently named, by the FBI, as a HAMAS supporter. The report was posted yesterday on FR.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1875627/posts

Hamas IS a terrorist organization, by virtue of their classification by the US as such and by virtue of their own charter.

Therefore, CAIR, an unindicted co-conspirator in the "terror support trial" of the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development and five of its officials, is unquestionably, a terrorist supporting organization.

42 posted on 08/03/2007 8:35:31 AM PDT by sofaman ("There will only be peace in Israel when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews")
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To: Ooh-Ah

Hey CAIR, sometimes the truth hurts . . . .


43 posted on 08/03/2007 8:37:33 AM PDT by piperpilot
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To: Ooh-Ah; potlatch; devolve
CAIR was founded by those with links to islamoterrorism, by people who bragged, "We are in America to make Islam the dominant religion."

Melanie Phillips' Londonistan describes how muslims have cowed British politicians and why the PM won't go beyond generic "terrorism".

Giuliani booted Arafat from Lincoln Center--Mrs. Clinton had Arafat as her guest more than any other.

44 posted on 08/03/2007 8:39:08 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Ooh-Ah

A gift from the East!


45 posted on 08/03/2007 8:39:46 AM PDT by TexanToTheCore (If it ain't Rugby or Bullriding, it's for girls.........................................)
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To: piperpilot
The muzzys are trying to rewrite history again.
Muzzys are the terrorists who have been murdering our people.
They deserve the title,
They have earned the title!
46 posted on 08/03/2007 8:41:25 AM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: oldenuff2no
...They have earned the title!

  1. Of terrorist
  2. Pedophile
  3. Unsanitary
  4. Intolerant
  5. Fascist
  6. Genocidal
  7. Duplicitous
  8. and backward!

They should first work on indoor pluming then worry about world domination!

47 posted on 08/03/2007 8:58:26 AM PDT by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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To: TommyDale

Good for them! I’m glad somebody still has some guts.


48 posted on 08/03/2007 8:59:00 AM PDT by Sue Perkick (And I hope that what I’ve done here today doesn’t force you to have a negative opinion of me….)
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To: Ooh-Ah
ISLAM HAS NO TIES TO TERRORISM

Perhaps, but the vast majority of terrorists have ties to Islam. They commit their terrorist acts in the name of Allah, the Islamic diety. They are obeying the commands in Islamic religious texts, including the Koran itself.

But Islam has no ties to them? Riiight.

49 posted on 08/03/2007 9:10:04 AM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: ZULU

I’ve always thought that. I would just prefer to have someone who is also a conservative. Like Fred.


50 posted on 08/03/2007 10:29:57 AM PDT by samtheman
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