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So Much For Saving The Spotted Owl
Newhouse News ^ | 8/2/2007 | Michael Milstein

Posted on 08/03/2007 8:45:58 AM PDT by Incorrigible

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To: Incorrigible
“”The spotted owl was really just a symbol for a much broader ecological and political debate,’’ Forsman says. “Regardless of what happens to the spotted owl, I don’t think that debate will change.”

Just like those who were supposedly working to save Sacco and Vanzetti revealed to Katherine Ann Porter that they didn’t want to save S&V, that they had to die for the cause.

Libs are demented.

21 posted on 08/03/2007 9:25:43 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Old North State

In the end they will discover that clear cutting is the only thing that will drive off the barred owls, and that the spotted owls love worms.

Clear cutting will be paid for by the government, but environmentalists will ensure that none of the lumber is sold.


22 posted on 08/03/2007 9:26:04 AM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: rhombus

yeah what is with evolutionists who believe in saving owls and encouraging negative replacement birth rates for humans?


23 posted on 08/03/2007 9:29:06 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: Incorrigible

Sounds like Barred Owls are superior to the Spotted Owl. Natural selection at work.


24 posted on 08/03/2007 9:34:42 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: RexBeach
Say, how about if we arm the spotted owl and let it fend for itself?

Nice idea, but it won't work. The spotted owls are not good shots. The best they can hope to do is to wing the bad owls.

25 posted on 08/03/2007 9:43:07 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: ari-freedom

I think this is the answer to your question: They HATE people, but all animals are virtuous because they have no free will(or something like that).

I know, it doesn’t make any sense. But then, neither does the Endangered Species Act.

Man attempting to play God never works. We’re not perfect, but God is.

Ciao.


26 posted on 08/03/2007 9:49:01 AM PDT by RexBeach
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To: Incorrigible

I didn’t read every single word, but I read the start and did a good scan.

I’m a bit confused.

Where did the Barred Owl come from? They imply it shouldn’t be here, but never actually say that?

So was it human intervention (somebody released a bunch there) or just the Barred expanding? Or did Barreds move from 1 territory to another because of human development?


27 posted on 08/03/2007 9:57:55 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

We only like Survival of the Fittest when it was way in the past.

We think everything should be exactly as it is now.


28 posted on 08/03/2007 9:59:08 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Or did Barreds move from 1 territory to another because of human development?

That's one theory that is suggested in the article.  Barred owls from from the east.

 

29 posted on 08/03/2007 10:03:20 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Incorrigible
Spotted owls are vanishing inside Olympic National Park, where logging never disturbed them.

Another species doomed to extinction before we showed up and the left used it to destroy people's livelyhoods.

30 posted on 08/03/2007 10:08:39 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Incorrigible; Carry_Okie
Yet another saga in the series of the U.S. Forest Service Biologists GONE WILD!
31 posted on 08/03/2007 10:11:01 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Incorrigible

According to my “Birds of North America” book, the spotted owl is supposed to occupy a limited range in the California Sierras, also a fairly large area in the Colorado and New Mexico Rockies as well as up in Washington. The barred owl is supposed to be completely absent from those areas according to the book. So it would seem to me that the spotted owl, as a species, may not be in danger of complete extinction. Maybe more study should be put into those areas to help it survive, even if Washington loses out due to Nature taking its course.


32 posted on 08/03/2007 10:18:21 AM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: Incorrigible

But what is “the east”? The land bordering it to the east? Or the East Coast?


33 posted on 08/03/2007 10:18:42 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: 19th LA Inf

Noone ever talks about Spotted Owl outside the logging areas of the NW!

So we need to know if SO are CURRENTLY still in CO/NM area or if that’s just previous history.


34 posted on 08/03/2007 10:20:13 AM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: bigfootbob
What a crock of BS.
  1. The spotted owl didn't depend upon old growth at all.
  2. Logging was never the cause of their decline. In fact, thinning second growth helped the spotted owl because it stimulated the groundcovers that feed its food supply (mice) and provides better flyways for unobstructed hunting.
  3. The barred owl would have finished it off anyway.
  4. The crooked government "biologists" are dismayed when natural selection works as designed, not because it means the end of the spotted owl, but because it means the end of the money being spent so "save' it AND the end of their POWER to destroy people they witlessly despise and the GLORY they get from their peers for having done it.

35 posted on 08/03/2007 10:26:10 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Ya mean the whole old-growth, spotted owl thing was just more junk science??? I'm shocked, shocked, I tell ya!

BTW, more same-o, same-o is going on here. Goobermint "scientists" claim there is an endangered species at risk along the Front Range and therefore all growth must be stopped to "save" it. What is it? "Prebble's Mouse." What is it really? Common field mouse. Is it endangered? Not in the least.

So, predictably, the Goobermint is conducting an Inquisition "investigating" all who questioned it's junk science.

36 posted on 08/03/2007 10:34:08 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Carry_Okie

In the case of Olympic National Park, one could make a case for the spotted owl decline being the fault of the US Forest Service: they’re the geniuses who imported goats into the park, which have since overrun the northeast portion of the place, killing off native ground cover.

Species go extinct. It happens.


37 posted on 08/03/2007 10:36:24 AM PDT by IslandJeff (Jeremiah 2:14-22)
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To: Incorrigible

There is so much truth in this article concerning how liberals actually think. Scary that it actually got through the editors. Of course they didn’t all the irony in it, it went right over them.


38 posted on 08/03/2007 10:53:38 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: Incorrigible
The spotted owl is becoming extinct from a multitude of factors:
Because the Bush administration didn't allow more money to be spent upon bridge upgrading
because of the war in Iraq
Because the US didn't agree with the Kyoto accords
Because of fossil fuels and meat eaters
More are possible, few plausible
39 posted on 08/03/2007 11:05:14 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: vetvetdoug

You forgot Katrina and the Minnesota bridge collapse.


40 posted on 08/03/2007 11:15:34 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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