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Bush: Congress Must Stay Put Until Surveillance Bill Approved
AP via Dallas Morning News ^ | Friday, August 3, 2007

Posted on 08/03/2007 9:46:51 AM PDT by kristinn

WASHINGTON - President Bush said Friday that Congress must stay in session until it approves legislation modernizing a U.S. law governing eavesdropping on foreigners.

"So far the Democrats in Congress have not drafted a bill I can sign," Bush said at FBI headquarters, where he was meeting with counterterror and homeland security officials. "We've worked hard and in good faith with the Democrats to find a solution, but we are not going to put our national security at risk. Time is short."

The president, who has the power under the Constitution to keep Congress in session, said lawmakers cannot leave for their August recess this weekend as planned unless they "pass a bill that will give our intelligence community the tools they need to protect the United States."

Earlier Friday, the White House offered an eleventh-hour accord to Democrats in the negotiations over the matter, saying it would agree to a court review of its foreign intelligence activities instead of leaving certification up to the attorney general and director of national intelligence.

But it attached several conditions that could be unacceptable to Democrats: that the review would only be after-the-fact and would only involve the administration's general process of collecting the intelligence, not individual cases, said a senior administration official speaking on condition of anonymity to more freely discuss internal deliberations.

SNIP

The two sides, however, still are far from striking a deal on what all agree needs to happen, and soon: an update of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

At issue is how the government would spy on foreign terror suspects overseas without invading Americans' privacy rights. Democrats want the special FISA Court to review the eavesdropping process to make sure the surveillance does not focus on communications that might be sent to and from Americans.

(Excerpt) Read more at dallasnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 110th; congress; counterterrorism; dni; fisa; govwatch; nsa; surveillance
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1 posted on 08/03/2007 9:46:58 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn
The president, who has the power under the Constitution to keep Congress in session, said lawmakers cannot leave for their August recess this weekend as planned unless they "pass a bill that will give our intelligence community the tools they need to protect the United States."

Gotta love it! ;)

2 posted on 08/03/2007 9:48:49 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: kristinn

Good.....Democrats are complaining about the Iraqi government leaving on vacation for a month? Our Congress wants to go on vacation and not return until the middle of September. I wonder where the Iraqi’s learned about vacations?


3 posted on 08/03/2007 9:51:22 AM PDT by RC2
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

This is a serious hole in our intelligence gathering that needs to be fixed ASAP. I’m glad the President is putting the screws to Congress on this.


4 posted on 08/03/2007 9:56:48 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: RC2

Maybe he can have them convene their next session at Club Gitmo until they come with a bill he’ll sign :-)


5 posted on 08/03/2007 9:57:44 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn; KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

He’s really super-good at finesse, donchathink?

For all the times they’ve put the squeeze on him, jeered, taunted, postured...there’s not a thing they can do about it.


6 posted on 08/03/2007 9:59:20 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: kristinn
The president, who has the power under the Constitution to keep Congress in session, said lawmakers cannot leave for their August recess this weekend as planned unless they "pass a bill that will give our intelligence community the tools they need to protect the United States."


7 posted on 08/03/2007 10:01:34 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Too bad he couldn’t have let them go home and then called them back on Sunday. LOL


8 posted on 08/03/2007 10:03:08 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: PJ-Comix

Standard language warning applies:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2940501

LOL


9 posted on 08/03/2007 10:05:25 AM PDT by Petronski (imwithfred.com)
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To: Petronski
There's actually some a$$hole on that repulsive forum who's moniker is "bamacrat".

Talk about a two-time loser.

10 posted on 08/03/2007 10:09:20 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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To: kristinn

Though aware of it, I’ve never studied that clause.

Does the President have the power to compel attendance? Could he order all Senators and Representatives to attend. That would play hell with the presidential candidates. I mean, they’re the only ones campaigning this summer.


11 posted on 08/03/2007 10:14:53 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: savedbygrace
Does the President have the power to compel attendance?

"The president, who has the power under the Constitution to keep Congress in session...

It sure sounds that way to me.

That said, the democrats, who love to butcher the Constitution anyway, will more likely spend the majority of time attempting to override this particular provision.

12 posted on 08/03/2007 10:23:53 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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To: Recovering Hermit
Murtha ain't gonna like it, that's fer sure.

"Dammit, there's pork to be distributed!"

(dear Mr. Murtha: if you want to find pork, look behind you - no no, use the mirror)


13 posted on 08/03/2007 10:43:01 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (The Democrat Party: radical Islam's last hope)
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To: kristinn

Section 3 - State of the Union, Convening Congress

[The President] shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper....

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html


14 posted on 08/03/2007 10:53:24 AM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

MAKE THEM WORK FOR THIER $ ...

I elected representatives to work... Any Congressman going on vacation while the President waits for laws that strengthen homeland security should be impeached.


15 posted on 08/03/2007 10:54:15 AM PDT by tomnbeverly (Obama worse then Chirac and major danger to U.S. has taken the Nuke option off the table.)
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To: Enchante

LOL! This must have the moonbats whining and whimpering. Guess they haven’t read the US Constitution lately (or ever?!?). Of course, this could disconcert members of his own party who also love their vacations, so this had better get resolved promptly or else we will see a lot of wailing Congresscritters!


16 posted on 08/03/2007 10:55:13 AM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: Recovering Hermit; savedbygrace

see #14

President does have this power under the US Constitution, and the Demagogues will just have to whine until the issue gets resolved.


17 posted on 08/03/2007 10:56:37 AM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: kristinn
Good move by the President.

The Dems dare not pass this up. If God forbid something happen in the next couple months, blood would be on their hands.

18 posted on 08/03/2007 10:57:15 AM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: kristinn

FINALLY!!


19 posted on 08/03/2007 11:00:04 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary in '08.....Her PHONINESS is GENUINE !!!!)
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To: kristinn

You’ve really got to wonder why it takes continual tweeks to get these approvals right. We have our legislators up there full time to address important issues. They devise the Patriot Act and other legislation, but still need to address something as easily understood as this concept.

Are these legislators as stupid as this makes them out to be?

Sadly, they must be. What person would continually screw up on the public stage so that the public could see it over and over, unless they truly were an idiot?


20 posted on 08/03/2007 11:03:46 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Victory will never be achieved while defining Conservatism downward, and forsaking it's heritage.)
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To: Suzy Quzy
What do you mean "FINALLY"?

The President has been facing down Congress time and time again on War-related issues since they came in.

They haven't won once yet.

21 posted on 08/03/2007 11:04:29 AM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Putting his foot down on their vacation!


22 posted on 08/03/2007 11:09:28 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary in '08.....Her PHONINESS is GENUINE !!!!)
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To: Suzy Quzy
Putting his foot down on their vacation!

Oh, I didn't know the Pres. had been remiss in that particular area but, OK, I can be happy this lying Congress is being forced to put their work first.

23 posted on 08/03/2007 11:16:10 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Froufrou

Would what happen if the Congress recessed anyways? Anyone know?


24 posted on 08/03/2007 11:18:58 AM PDT by Michael A. Velli (Go Mitt!)
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To: kristinn
I caught part of Bush’s news conference on this and he was p’od, and rightfully so. When Bush talked about Congress, it was like he was referring to a bunch of unruly, obnoxious, children who just don’t get it.
25 posted on 08/03/2007 11:20:31 AM PDT by khnyny (The best minds are not in government. If they were, business would hire them away. Ronald Reagan)
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To: kristinn

I love you Mr. President :)


26 posted on 08/03/2007 11:21:28 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: kristinn

We should demand they stay in D.C. until a border fence is built.


27 posted on 08/03/2007 11:23:08 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Enchante

You might have misunderstood my post. I’m well aware of the clause that gives the President the power to keep Congress in session until he says they can adjourn.

My question, because I haven’t studied the matter, is whether he can compel the attendance of individual members. That’s the issue, IMO, because if he can do that, then he can empower U. S. Marshals to go git ‘em and bring ‘em into the House and Senate for the session.

I’d pay money to see that.


28 posted on 08/03/2007 11:24:09 AM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: khnyny
When Bush talked about Congress, it was like he was referring to a bunch of unruly, obnoxious, children who just don’t get it.

like??? no, precisely.

29 posted on 08/03/2007 11:24:43 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: kristinn

The congressional rats are playing games with the tally board right now.


30 posted on 08/03/2007 11:27:48 AM PDT by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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To: Michael A. Velli

Same thing that happens when they don’t, just quieter! :p


31 posted on 08/03/2007 11:28:19 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Petronski

I don’t like how their view comment system is. Silly Democrats


32 posted on 08/03/2007 11:29:16 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: Froufrou
Exactly.

The media love to right so fake stories based on their wet dreams "The Congress orders Bush to do so and so" where in reality the Congress has zero power over the President if they do not have 2/3 of the votes in both Houses to overcome his veto, and they very rarely get it, and for sure they are not going to get it these days and with this Congress. However in a single order, one man, the President of the United States orders 535 members of Congress to stay and work and he has the power to do so according to the Constitution.

God bless the Founding Fathers :)

33 posted on 08/03/2007 11:29:18 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: kristinn

Of course, if he actually does this, he loses the ability to make recess appointments since they won’t be in recess. I have no idea whether there are any he would like to make in that fashion, but if he does, then this decision would come at a cost.


34 posted on 08/03/2007 11:29:29 AM PDT by surely_you_jest (I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts. - Will Rogers)
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To: jveritas

It’s a beautiful thing when he makes these one-stroke wonder moves! Nobody is better at it or ever has been, IMHO. They must be furious, to be treated like scolded children. What went around, came around! LOL!


35 posted on 08/03/2007 11:32:36 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: what's up

Amen to your post.


36 posted on 08/03/2007 11:32:47 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: Pride in the USA
Thank you, Mr. President.

The president, who has the power under the Constitution to keep Congress in session, said lawmakers cannot leave for their August recess this weekend as planned unless they "pass a bill that will give our intelligence community the tools they need to protect the United States."

37 posted on 08/03/2007 11:35:12 AM PDT by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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To: jveritas

ooops right = write


38 posted on 08/03/2007 11:35:18 AM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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To: Enchante
"else we will see a lot of wailing Congresscritters!"

I'm looking forward to that.

Carolyn

39 posted on 08/03/2007 11:35:40 AM PDT by CDHart ("It's too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the b@#$%^&s."--Claire Wolfe)
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To: kristinn

Check out cspan now. Fireworks are going on in the house. Dems are trying to railroad through a motion to adjourn, despite the fact the voting machine are broken down.


40 posted on 08/03/2007 11:38:41 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: savedbygrace; Recovering Hermit

The constitution grants no such power to the President to COMPEL attendance to a session of Congress. Only each house of Congress has the power to arrest a member of Congress and force them to attend a session. The president could order a session of congress to reconvene for a special session but that would put Congress back in session in which case he could not force attendance because Article I of the US constitution says that congressman : shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.


41 posted on 08/03/2007 11:42:47 AM PDT by old republic
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To: savedbygrace

Oh, sorry, I didn’t realize that was the question - I don’t think he (or even the Congressional leaders) have any power to compel attendance of any specific member(s), but I don’t know for certain.

Also, I don’t know all the ins and outs of quorum calls, what constitutes being “in session” for each chamber of Congress, etc. If many/most members leave for several days at a time to go to their districts etc. (as they frequently do for their 4-day weekends), when is Congress in session and when is it adjourned? I think these are issues of the rules of each chamber rather than the US Constitution - I don’t recall any such details anywhere in the Constitution. In fact, it only refers to an annual session of Congress and I don’t think it was envisioned in the 18th century that legislatures would convene for so much of each year (the Utah state legislature still has an annual session of only about 6-8 weeks).


42 posted on 08/03/2007 11:46:13 AM PDT by Enchante (Reid and Pelosi Defeatocrats: Surrender Now - Peace for Our Time!!)
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To: old republic; savedbygrace
The constitution grants no such power to the President to COMPEL attendance to a session of Congress.

Catch 22...unfortunately.

Thanks for the clarification.

43 posted on 08/03/2007 11:51:56 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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To: Recovering Hermit
I believe he has the power to compel and can even deputize to compel.

Call all constitutionalists.

Lurking

44 posted on 08/03/2007 11:58:05 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98
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To: old republic

Well there you go. Another daydream of mine turns to vapor.


45 posted on 08/03/2007 12:07:47 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: lonevoice

“Thank you, Mr. President.”

Ditto


46 posted on 08/03/2007 12:22:06 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: COBOL2Java

Waiting for your explosion, Mr. Creosote.

47 posted on 08/03/2007 12:28:14 PM PDT by unspun (FREEP Bill O'Reilly about anything you think he needs)
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To: kristinn

Also takes the demonization of the Iraqi leglislature away from the Democrats... not that that will stop them but it makes them even less credible this September when they ignore Petraeus’s report. Too bad Bush didn’t play more hardball with the Congress pre-election 2006 but you’re not supposed to have to with politicians who are supposed to be your friends...You know, those “drunken sailors”.


48 posted on 08/03/2007 12:53:53 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: Pride in the USA

To all with unjustifiable blind faith in criminal godvernment:

FreePers have a conservative reputation. You mean well. You want to be true patriots. I salute you for that. But . . .

Do you really, REEEEAAALY want traitorous el busho ramming through another unjust “law” to legalize spying on patriotic US citizens?

Do you really want an electronic surveillance bug in your ear, in your mouth and up your butt? I don’t. Any normal American doesn’t.

This corrupt godvernment OF the godvernment, BY the criminal godvernment, and FOR ONLY criminals in godvernment (+ their crime bosses, partners & affiliates) have feverishly, hellishly worked to scorn We The Victimized People and fully earn our mistrust. They’ve consistently betrayed us at almost every turn.

Why pat these thugs (evil godvernment is organized crime, folks — the Federal Mafia) on the back and root them onto more acts of tyranny?

Look, I’m more patriotic than all of them combined with scant exceptions like Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, Tom Coburn, and a very few others less than 50% of the time. Before we let them KILL THE REST OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS –which is what they’re doing under el busho’s whipping– don’t you think that butthead should first:

•secure borders and ports to STOP the invasion and hostile occupation

•stop doling out Terrorist, uh, pardon me, “student” visas to RIM caliphate tyrannies (RIM = radical islamofascist militant; you know, those ragheads we don’t want killing us)

•screw Political Correctness and RE-INSTITUTE Racial Profiling to identify and apprehend terrorists ???

These are 3 Common Sense steps before ‘legalizing’ spying on Americans. You’re foolish if you think our criminal godvernment does not already spy on We The Victims, and shall stop spying on us. NO WAY, JOSE!

In the grossly misnamed PATRIOT Acts (read them sometime) criminal godvernment deliberately & loosely, very loosely defines “Enemy of State”, “terrorist”, “person of interest”, “terrorist suspect, sympathizer”, etc. When queried, godvernment’s professional LIARS (salaried by taxpayers to lie to us) say they need flexibility (read: ever-morphing) defining of such terms to deal with the “War on Terror”.

Do you know why? Because neo-comms don’t like any opinions differing from their brainwashing and propaganda. Ergo, I’m an “Enemy of State” because I disagree with their treason, schemed destruction of the Bill of Rights and US Constitution. I’m not your typical RIM terrorist, but talking against organized crime in the Federal Mafia can be defined as Enemy of State. godvernment criminals will conjure up a newly morphed definition to get me for telling too much truth.

FreePers are already awake and using their minds. Just make sure it’s really you yourself using your mind (not godvernment programmers), and drink less of the neo-comm Party-Line Kool-aid. neo-comms are really communists redux.

Meanwhile, el presidente jorge busho hisses more lies with forked tongue thru venom fangs.

el busho is hellbent on legalizing spying on Americans. Ramming through passage of the FISA “modernization” bill is a higher priority than justice for True Patriots, like Ramos and Compean.

But, hey, what do you expect from a neo-comm tyrant? Do you think it wants another draconian “law” in-the-making scuttled by dumb@$$ Americans? After We The Victimized People sunk el busho’s “Amnesty Bill”, that lizard-lipped, snake-skinned el presidente is hotter than its cold-blooded rattler kin basking & baking on hot rocks in 110 degree desert heat.

Maybe it’ll strong-arm congressthings into passing its “Foreign [AND Domestic] Spying [on US Citizens]” bill so stentors and reprehensives can’t go vacationing until el tyrant gets what it demands.

Oh, pardon me. it already did that and commanded congress to stays until it passes “modernized” FISA. Boy, oh boy, this sidewinding neo-comm tyrant is just too quick for this snakebit ol’ codger!

Anyhow, you can take action to try to prevent more viper venom from snakey rattler el busho. Please see below.


Quotes of the Day:

From “The Devil’s Dictionary” by Ambrose Bierce . . .

Representative: In national politics, a member of the Lower House in this world, and without discernible hope of promotion in the next.

Senate: A body of elderly gentlemen charged with high duties and misdemeanors.

Subject: Why we’re confused, and what to do about it

We admit it. We’re confused. We would like to be able to tell you what is happening with the so-called FISA “modernization” bill — which may legalize government spying on innocent Americans — but we can’t. No one understands what is going on with this bill, including the members of Congress.

There are so many different versions of this bill, and amendments to it, and back-room negotiations and deals being made, that no one really knows anything about what will come to the floor. And yet, Congressional leaders want to rush to a vote before they recess.

This shouldn’t be happening, and it couldn’t happen if DownsizeDC.org’s “Read the Bills Act” was the law of the land.

There’s also a lot of lying going on. For instance, President Bush has claimed that the FISA law hasn’t been updated since 1978. TRUTH: The FISA law has been updated more than 50 times since 1978, including multiple times since Bush was elected.

President Bush signed these updates into law! Our elected leaders really are scoundrels.

Here’s what we’re going to do. Let’s hit them on two fronts today. First, send Congress a message telling them not to rush to a vote on FISA modernization before they leave. Stress this in your comments. NO RUSHED VOTES!

We’ve defeated this monster before by delaying a vote, and there’s a real chance we can do that again now.

You can send that message here.

Second, hit them on the “Read the Bills Act.” Send them a message about RTBA. Tell them the confused rush to a vote on FISA modernization is proof that we need DownsizeDC.org’s “Read the Bills Act” with its 7-day waiting period before a vote can be held on any bill.

You can send that message here.

Finally, it would be really helpful if you could make phone calls too, stressing these points. You will see the phone numbers for your elected representatives when you log-in to send your message to Congress (or when you register if you are sending a message for the first time).

Sorry for the confusion, but that’s the way these guys operate.

Thank you for being a DC Downsizer.

Perry Willis
Communications Director


49 posted on 08/03/2007 1:05:48 PM PDT by Antarcticn (Depose & Dispose of Debauched Despots in criminal godvernment)
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To: kristinn

DUH

Can you say “this was not considered on Wednesday, Sept 12, 2001?”


50 posted on 08/03/2007 1:13:28 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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