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Tighter gun-buy checks advance - Response to Tech tragedy hopes to block criminals, mentally ill...
RICHMOND TIMES-DISPATCH ^ | Aug 03, 2007 | PETER HARDIN

Posted on 08/03/2007 11:43:50 AM PDT by neverdem

Edited on 08/03/2007 5:19:50 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON -- Two weeks before students return to classes at Virginia Tech, a Senate panel voted yesterday to strengthen the national instant background-check system for gun buyers.

Responding to the Virginia Tech massacre, the Senate Judiciary Committee voted unanimously to advance a measure aimed at closing gaps in the national background-check system.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 110th; backgroundcheck; banglist; vatech

1 posted on 08/03/2007 11:43:54 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

If he is sane enough to be allowed on the streets....he is sane enough to buy a gun, is he not? If he is THAT dangerous, shouldn’t he be locked up? After all....he may go for a knife...or a box-cutter.


2 posted on 08/03/2007 11:52:38 AM PDT by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: 2harddrive

More caving by the NRA


3 posted on 08/03/2007 12:14:56 PM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: neverdem
"Obviously there is no magic congressional response that will be guaranteed to prevent another horrific school tragedy," said Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick J. Leahy, D-Vt

"but we're not gonna let that stop us and are spending like hell so we look good," he should have continued.

4 posted on 08/03/2007 12:22:21 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Brian J. Marotta, 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub, (1948-2007) Rest In Peace, our FRiend)
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To: tiger-one
A spokesman for the National Rifle Association, Andrew Arulanandam, said his organization continues to "be supportive of the legislation that would add the names of those adjudicated as mentally defective to the national instant check list."

"More caving by the NRA"

How so? Seems to me that the grabbers just lost the NRA's support. We shall see, but someone dropping a dime, i.e. "tip lines about potentially dangerous students," is hardly an adjudication. It reminds me of Lautenberg's S. 1237 which would enable the Attorney General to designate anyone as a terrorist to deny an OK by NICS.

5 posted on 08/03/2007 12:32:47 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
I think that we will end up with a stupid system that will any arbitrary medical or governmental entity to permanently bar any one person from owning firearms simply by declaring that person to be "mentally unfit."

I believe that the NRA is wrong to support on this bill.

A spokesman for the National Rifle Association, Andrew Arulanandam, said his organization continues to "be supportive of the legislation that would add the names of those adjudicated as mentally defective to the national instant check list."

I agree with the Liberty Coalition and Gun Owners of America that this is a horrendously bad idea.

From a letter (it's in Word format) they have published: “Action to retroactively label people mentally defective without notice and a hearing is a violation of basic fundamental fairness and due process. Further, now declaring persons who in the past voluntarily submitted to mental health evaluation and/or treatment as mentally defective would deter people from seeking mental health assistance in the future. Finally, millions of Americans and veterans who might have undergone post-combat zone counseling or other treatment could find themselves unknowingly in violation of federal gun laws, or, lose their security clearance or employment.”

6 posted on 08/03/2007 12:44:59 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA)
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To: tiger-one

Whenever a tragedy like VT happens, you can count on ‘Rat knee-jerk responses and the NRA being stupid enough to think that the ‘Rats will be satisfied with the latest new restrictions.


7 posted on 08/03/2007 1:13:17 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
I note that the same $400 million dollars that the dems are happy to spend to infringe our God-given freedoms is the same amount they want to slice from the Airborne Laser (ABL) program, a much worthier endeavor, IMHO.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

8 posted on 08/03/2007 1:37:22 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neverdem

Will Jorge sign it???


9 posted on 08/03/2007 1:40:16 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Joe Brower

The citizens are more of a threat than the North Koreans right now I guess. I’m sure Richardson has assurances.


10 posted on 08/03/2007 1:45:43 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: neverdem
Odd Angry Shot: Who Killed Our Kids - by John Conner

/jasper

11 posted on 08/03/2007 1:55:08 PM PDT by Jasper (To hell with the "devil you know" - shoot 'em both!)
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To: snowsislander
After Clinton did the same thing to over 90,000 vets in 1998, Congress passed a law that I think GW signed stating that the VA Hospitals are specifically prohibited from submitting any info on a patients mental health to any federal or state law enforcement agency absent a judges ruling. The law apparently has considerable teeth in the form of monetary relief to victims. That's what I was told by the Miami VA a couple of years ago. I forget the name of the laws that were hooked together.
12 posted on 08/03/2007 2:16:03 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: snowsislander
The NRA is ABSOLUTELY on the wrong side of this issue.

A spokesman for the National Rifle Association, Andrew Arulanandam, said his organization continues to "be supportive of the legislation that would add the names of those adjudicated as mentally defective to the national instant check list."

Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, applauded the Senate committee.

Second Amendment Sisters have opposed this from the beginning. I can't believe that the NRA is on the same side as the "brady bunch" on this! The NRA has become "mentally defective". I stopped supporting the NRA a long time ago.

13 posted on 08/03/2007 2:22:13 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: neverdem

So they simply declare us all insane.


14 posted on 08/03/2007 2:31:20 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Joe Brower

It’ll be very reasonable at first, and will grow to become a monster, with govt. commissar’s blocking millions from being able to buy or own guns.

If we haven’t learned this by now.....


15 posted on 08/03/2007 2:31:46 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: ZULU

Does Hillary have rabies?


16 posted on 08/03/2007 2:32:30 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: 2harddrive
he may go for a knife

Funny thing about knives - they never run out of ammunition.

17 posted on 08/03/2007 2:37:12 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: neverdem

If they want a gun, they’ll find a way to find one.


18 posted on 08/03/2007 2:52:55 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: tiger-one
More caving by the NRA

Surrendering is what the NRA does best. They especially like pre-emptive surrender where they give up without ever having fought so they can say they didn't lose. Well technically they didn't, but the end result is the same.

19 posted on 08/03/2007 3:30:45 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government, Benito Guilinni a short man in search of a balcony)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

If your gun group is so good at accomplishing something, why don’t they stop this legislation?

I already know the answer to that but I’m interested in your opinion.


20 posted on 08/03/2007 3:48:15 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: from occupied ga

Maybe it’s time for that “other” gun group to rally it’s power and stop this legislation.

Oh, wait. They can’t. They never, ever do anything.


21 posted on 08/03/2007 3:50:50 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Probably.


22 posted on 08/03/2007 5:07:06 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Jasper

Thanks for the link.


23 posted on 08/03/2007 5:40:03 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Shooter 2.5; basil; dbwz; Ladysmith
We're doing our part to try to stop legislation like this unlike your "sainted NRA" that has sided with the gun grabbers on this bill in both the House and the Senate!

Rather than sit here and knock what SAS and other gun rights organizations are doing, why don't you do something other than pay your NRA dues (I've already paid mine for Endowment Lifetime status) and join us in fighting bad legislation! I devote 20 - 40 (unpaid) hours a week to this fight....how about you?

24 posted on 08/03/2007 5:44:52 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Joe Brower

The chemical lasers are just an interesting sideshow, but in reality, chemical lasers are difficult to maintain and quickly run out of components that make them lase. The Israelis are working on semi-conductor lasers and have them pumping out more than 10 kilowatts now. They have successfully used them to shoot down rockets, mortars, and artillery shells in flight. They figure that within a couple of years they will have them up to the 100 kw range and at that point they will be ready for more field testing and deployment.


25 posted on 08/03/2007 5:46:00 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Take a good look at the posts criticizing the NRA and explain how any other group could stop this legislation.

The reality is you don’t have the votes because any gun group who fight this will have headlines tomorrow explaining how the Second Amendment Sisters or the GOA want guns in the hands of rubber room crazies.

And yes, I do my part other than send a check now and then.


26 posted on 08/03/2007 7:09:57 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5
I'm not criticizing the NRA for the lack of ability to stop the legislation but because they supported it - along side the Brady crew!!!!!

You keep knocking all the other pro-gun organizations including SAS. At least we're standing up for our rights instead of capitulating. Constantly knocking us because we're not "big enough" or "haven't accomplished enough" is like saying a woman should just lay there and be raped because they're not strong enough to fight....like Hell!

27 posted on 08/03/2007 7:44:31 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I believe in results. Good intentions mean nothing to me. The NRA is doing it’s best to stop some of the worse of this bill and the GOA and now the SAS is doing nothing to stop this legislation except to criticize.

You still haven’t mentioned a thing how you’re trying to stop this legislation. How many votes have you been promised to stop this? Which legislators have you met with?


28 posted on 08/03/2007 7:59:57 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5
I believe in results. Good intentions mean nothing to me.

Here are your "results" from the NRA.....

A spokesman for the National Rifle Association, Andrew Arulanandam, said his organization continues to "be supportive of the legislation that would add the names of those adjudicated as mentally defective to the national instant check list."

With "results" like this, I sure hope you don't have anything in your medical history that proves you to be "mentally defective".

Regarding what SAS has done....we've contacted all of our members and asked them to contact their reps to ask them to stop this legislation. I've personally contacted my Rep and Senators and I know our members have done the same. What have you done?

29 posted on 08/03/2007 8:24:25 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: 2nd amendment mama
his organization continues to "be supportive of the legislation that would add the names of those adjudicated as mentally defective to the national instant check list."

My guess is: that a Redcoat or two may have taken a ball from someone who wasn't too good with his 'times tables'. And possibly lacking in other social etiquittes, as well.

The villification of arms and arms-owners has proceeded unabated for many years. The 'hero-fication' of guns and gun owners by those in the NRA pales by comparison-yet they keep asking for more money to pursue a limp-course-of-action against a very formidable opponent ( communist major media).

Where the NRA fails is with the second ammendment's inattentiveness to the condition of mental congruity as a condition of the right to bear arms. They were right then, the NRA is wrong now.

A mental-case with a gun is a threat to all-- a properly armed citizenry with discretion is a natural barrier to the harm a nut-case can impose on others. Our Founders probably envisioned a few plots in graveyards dedicated to the purpose of their disposal.

If the second ammendment seems antiquated by today's standards and warrants 'qualifiers' acceptable to the National Rifle Association, as well as those who'd take guns away from all, then we've been accomodating the nuts* too long.

The right of the people to rid themselves of *aberrant and abhorrent individuals resides in their ability to excercise their right to keep, bear, and shoot arms.

Muggers, rapists, carjackers, murderers, etc. should thank their lucky stars that our courts, legislatures, cops, and ultimately the NRA, feel that the 2nd ammendment as written, is fungible. However, they should realize that time is not on their side. Not by a long f**king shot (pun intended).

30 posted on 08/03/2007 10:59:52 PM PDT by budwiesest (Hilliary can't pick Obama now, his geo-dumbass is insufferable.)
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To: neverdem
How so? The gun grabbers operate using a system of incrementally eliminating the Second Amendment. Every time a new anti gun law is passed it becomes a platform for expansion.

Looking at the law Arulanandam speaks of. Lets say some guy goes wacko, breaks or doesn't break the law. Somewhere in the "pipe" the process sets an appearance in front of the court to determine he is mentally defective. He is a free man, not being held on charges, or out on bail. We all know appearing before a judge to be judged mentally defective does not happen quickly. He goes to the gun store, passes NICs, completes his purchase and goes postal.

The Gun Grabbers cry out, we need to change the law, we need to have the shrinks notify us who is and who is not mentally defective.

When that fails the GGs will say all people looking to purchase a gun, must be certified by OUR BOARD OF APPROVED SHRINKS to be mentally faultless.

On and on and on it goes. We must draw the line in the sand NOW! And the NRA refuses to do it.

31 posted on 08/04/2007 4:15:16 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: neverdem

“The Government shall make no law.......”


32 posted on 08/04/2007 6:13:53 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

I have no idea why I have to explain to you how to defeat antigun legislation but here goes anyway. Hint: It’s not sending an email to your members which gives you a warm fuzzy feeling.

You have to meet with every legislator in Congress and the Senate and explain to them that voting for a antigun bill is a bad idea. You then count up the votes for and against the bill to see if you win or lose. If you know the bill is going to be defeated, you can relax and wait for the next time.
If you’re going to lose, you have to minimize the damage and ask your supporters in the legislation to cut down the worse aspects of the bill. In this case, the anti’s probably want anyone who has ever seen a shrink to lose their Gun Rights. That’s not acceptable to any gun group. What will probably happen is this bill will pass if someone is a danger to themselves and others. That’s what the headlines will read.

The antigun morons will still say the NRA tried to give guns to mental hospital patients and the GOA and now the SAS will say the NRA worked to take away your Gun Rights.


33 posted on 08/04/2007 6:28:18 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

One last thing. If you can find a member of your gun group who has been denied a gun because of a past mental history, you can sue on behalf of the member. You might get this soon to be law judged unconstitutional. You better start adjusting your budget to pay for it.


34 posted on 08/04/2007 6:39:13 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5
If your gun group is so good at accomplishing something, why don’t they stop this legislation?

Oh, no no no no NO. You're not going to get away with this nonsense here.

Instead, why don't you tell us why the NRA isn't stopping it? You are a member of an organization that is capable of mobilizing millions of gun owners across the country at the very moment that any anti-gun legislation hits the desk of any politician in DC or elsewhere. So why are these same gun owners about to suffer another setback to their rights?

Let me ask you, are YOU satisfied with what the NRA is doing in this case?

35 posted on 08/04/2007 9:57:26 AM PDT by dbwz
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To: dbwz

I am satisfied with the actions of the NRA because they can’t stop this legislation. The votes simply are not there.

Now go back and explain how your gun group is going to stop this legislation. Not a simple set of emails to your local pol, I want to know exact details on how your group will ultimately halt this legislation.

You have a forum, use it.


36 posted on 08/04/2007 10:23:02 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5
The votes aren't there because you've sent your money to the NRA and let them "take care of it". YOU are no longer involved in the process. You've been removed. You're being dictated to.

Know what changes minds of politicians? VOTERS. But you're going to sit here and tell me that millions of VOTERS would hold no sway over the way an elected official voted on a piece of legislation.

You won't even call the NRA to voice your displeasure at what they're doing, will you?

Any organization that encourages you to get off your lazy gun-owning ass and get back in touch with the political process personally is on the right track. The NRA has the ability to do this, but then Wayne LaPierre et al wouldn't have the need for a travel budget and the fancy suits, would they?

37 posted on 08/04/2007 11:59:31 AM PDT by dbwz
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To: dbwz

I am involved in the process much more than I care to be but the legislator’s votes aren’t there.
Now you can wish upon a star if you want but that doesn’t change anything.

Now let’s take a hard look at what you are doing. Exactly nothing that will change the outcome. You don’t know anything about the closed doors dealings on this issue because you aren’t part of the process. You aren’t going to change the anti’s minds about this or the dem party.

The reason why is the NRA only has four million members. Do you have any idea how many AARP members there are? They dwarf the numbers the NRA has. Are you going to become a member so eighty million gun owners are now part of the NRA and can really scare some of these politicians? Doubt it.

If your gun group was so good, they wouldn’t need the NRA. The other gun groups can’t stop this any more than the NRA can. The NRA is trying to minimize the damage a bill like this can do but your gun group is too busy complaining and whining about the NRA.

Other gun groups: send emails and complain about the NRA when a antigun bill passes. Hope you think that’s worth sending in membership dues.


38 posted on 08/04/2007 1:29:21 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: dbwz

I am involved in the process much more than I care to be but the legislator’s votes aren’t there.
Now you can wish upon a star if you want but that doesn’t change anything.

Now let’s take a hard look at what you are doing. Exactly nothing that will change the outcome. You don’t know anything about the closed doors dealings on this issue because you aren’t part of the process. You aren’t going to change the anti’s minds about this or the dem party.

The reason why is the NRA only has four million members. Do you have any idea how many AARP members there are? They dwarf the numbers the NRA has. Are you going to become a member so eighty million gun owners are now part of the NRA and can really scare some of these politicians? Doubt it.

If your gun group was so good, they wouldn’t need the NRA. The other gun groups can’t stop this any more than the NRA can. The NRA is trying to minimize the damage a bill like this can do but your gun group is too busy complaining and whining about the NRA.

Other gun groups: send emails and complain about the NRA when a antigun bill passes. Hope you think that’s worth sending in membership dues.


39 posted on 08/04/2007 1:29:29 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5; dbwz
I don't know why it is so important for you to keep dissing "lesser" guns rights groups. Do you think that boosts your manhood or something.

I'd love to know how many members the NRA had when they were only 7 yrs old.

We struggle to do what we can, spending many (unpaid) hours per week trying to save the basic right of self defense. We are doing this not so that good ole boys can go hunting, tho many of our members are hunters.

Our one and only issue is: "Self defense is a basic human right." Our goal is to save that right.

When the Hallowed NRA starts linking with the Brady Bunch to get a terrible bill pushed through Congress, we are of course stunned and horrified!

At one time, nearly every member of our organization were also NRA members, and in my case TXSRA members. Not anymore.....

40 posted on 08/04/2007 3:38:04 PM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: from occupied ga
Surrendering is what the NRA does best.

Wait a moment. What nationality is the name LaPierre? FRENCH???

41 posted on 08/04/2007 5:18:29 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
If the NRA has such an abysmal membership roll, how are they able to even get an audience with legislators to begin with?

The numbers are extrapolated, my friend. Four million members equals many more million who agree with them. Politicians know this. It's a formula. One person who writes in to complain or praise equals X many more out there who agree. That's why the NRA gets in.

Do you know why the "back room" exists? It exists because an organization has approval from its members in the form of dollars and silence. You've agreed that for a price you'll let someone else speak on your behalf and determine your fate.

And there's where everything has gone wrong. The NRA's members are generaly satisfied to let the NRA muckety-mucks make the decisions, because they know all the ins and outs of politics and back rooms and all that happy horsesh*t. You need us to be there in Washington fighting for your rights, they say. But we can't always get everything we want, they say, because we have to make certain compromises along the way and play the political game to reach the ultimate end. But we need to be here for you, they say, because the process is far too complicated for the average American to grasp.

Baloney.

You're a politician. Five thousand letters from people in your district hit your desk. They all say the same thing - if you vote for Bill #1, we'll look for another candidate to put in office this coming November. Are you impressed? What about ten thousand letters? A hundred thousand? What if an organization decided to make an effort to mobilize its four million members to action like that? Oh, right, we wouldn't need the lobbyists.

Now, what have other organizations done for rights lately? Not much, because either NRA apologists are all too eager to mock them out of relevance, or the NRA itself will co-opt or undermine until the "upstart" is absorbed or eliminated. Yeah, I've had my share of experience with the NRA and its affiliates.

Refresh my memory, how was the assault weapons ban defeated?

42 posted on 08/04/2007 5:21:42 PM PDT by dbwz
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To: Hardastarboard

“Funny thing about knives - they never run out of ammunition.”

There is also no flash, and usually very little noise.


43 posted on 08/04/2007 6:23:54 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: basil

I’m waiting patiently for the GOA to finally get off it’s collective ass and do something for once instead of worrying about the NRA.

You don’t think the NRA is doing a good job then stop this legislation with your group and the GOA. Go for it.

In the meantime, I’m done supporting the SAS and asking ladies to join. It’s logo is coming off my profile page.


44 posted on 08/04/2007 7:27:58 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5

“...If you’re going to lose, you have to minimize the damage and ask your supporters in the legislation to cut down the worse aspects of the bill. In this case”

I wonder where those “minimizations” were.

Where’s the sunset?
Where’s the appeal process?
Where are the provisions for non-LEO and non-Military?
Where are the other things that the mighty NRA could have negotiated, like NATIONAL RECIPROCITY in agreement to capitulation on this.

Nope. They caved.

I think it’s time to remind everyone here that the test in the language of the bill is “ADJUDICATED”.

Adjudicated means “judged”
Judged means there IS a judge.
Judges are POLITICAL APPOINTEES
Political appointees = political agenda

Before you know it, we Freepers will be “adjudicated” mentally unstable faster than you can say ‘Barack Obama’.

Remind me again where the NRA was on this?

Sorry, couldn’t disagree with you more.

As to the ‘other’ groups, the reason why they don’t do better is because NRA lemmings can’t get it through their thick heads that just like a stock portfolio for retirement, diversity of investment in your RIGHTS is a wise strategy to. They keep habitually donating to the NRA like a junkie, but it’s the rest of America that just gets the Smack.

Respectfully submitted, of course.


45 posted on 08/04/2007 7:28:03 PM PDT by Rovert
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To: Rovert

If you don’t like the NRA that’s tough. Get another gun group to stop this legislation if they’re so good. You have about 76 million gun owners to recruit.

Snappy “no compromise” mottos don’t count.


46 posted on 08/04/2007 7:35:33 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Shooter 2.5

Snappy pithy replies don’t constitute a defense.

If the NRA is so good, then why didn’t THEY stop the bill?

We constantly are reminded by them how they’re the 800 pound gorilla, they are our only hope, and we should just shut up and let them drive, which is how they keep the gravy train of donations funneling to them, and away from other rights groups.

So, with all that money and influence, why wasn’t the “brain trust” at NRA capable of negotitating something in return?

Answer: Because they’re vested in their own perpetuity.

Here’s the response from one of those “other” inane gun rights groups that you malign.
http://www.njcsd.org/content/view/636/9/

Here’s their take on the NRA “reaction” (note: no PROactive response by NRA)
http://www.njcsd.org/content/view/649/9/

I think the question here to be answered is not why smaller gun rights groups with high motivation and creativity aren’t doing someting, but why the largest gun rights group in America with millions of dollars isn’t doing more.

... and the blathering continues.


47 posted on 08/04/2007 8:01:19 PM PDT by Rovert
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To: Shooter 2.5

Take the SAS logo off your web page, with our very best wishes.. We take that as a compliment.


48 posted on 08/04/2007 8:42:05 PM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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