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MiG-35 fighter to feature at Russian air show
Indo-Asian News Service (IANS) ^ | Friday 3rd August, 2007

Posted on 08/03/2007 10:20:01 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

MiG-35 fighter to feature at Russian air show

Malaysia Sun Friday 3rd August, 2007 (IANS)

Russia will get an opportunity to showcase its frontline MiG-35 fighter, a contender for an Indian Air Force (IAF) order for 126 combat jets, at the MAKS-2007 aerospace show in the suburban town of Zhukovsky Aug 21-26.

Global aerospace giants including EADS (European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company), Boeing, Bombardier, Embraer, Finmeccanica, United Technologies, Safran and Rolls Royce will be attending the biennial show that was first held in 1992 and is considered in the same league as the Paris, Farnborough and Singapore air shows, the RIA-Novosti news agency said.

The previous event in 2005 involved 645 companies from 40 countries and was visited by 122,000 experts and journalists and over 375,000 spectators.

Moscow had made a strong pitch for the MiG-35 at the Aero India air show at Putin, while on a visit to India, had offered the jet for the IAF order, describing it as an improved version of the MIG-29OVT that was already in contention.

The highly manoeuvrable, multi-role and lightweight MiG-35/MiG-29OVT is powered by vector-thrust engines that enable the aircraft to flip on its back in midair and fly tail first as it fires its weapons at enemy aircraft.

In fact, no other fighter in the world, except the much heavier Sukhoi Su-35 Super Flanker that also has vector-thrust engines can match their performance.

Many elements of the MiG-35/MiG-29OVT can be used to upgrade the older MiG-29 fighters now serving with the IAF, its manufacturers say. Toward this end, MAKS-2007 organisers have hinted that India and Russia could sign a bilateral modernisation contract during the Zhukovsky air show.

On its part, the MiG-29OVT is an advanced version of the custom-made MiG-29K/MiG-29KUB fighters the Indian Navy has ordered for the aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya it has purchased from Russia.

The MiG-35/MiG-29OVT carry a 5,500-kg ordnance load including RVV-AE and R-73E air-to-air guided missiles, Kh-31P, Kh-31A and Kh-35E air-to-surface missiles, and KAB-500Kr and KAB-500OD glider bombs, as well as a 30-mm cannon.

Other than the fuselage fairing behind the cockpit canopy that features additional fuel tanks to increase the total fuel load by 50 percent, the MiG-35 airframe is similar to that of the MiG-29OVT.

Special new coatings have reduced the radar echo area of the MiG-35/MiG-29OVT four to five-fold compared to other serial MiG-29 fighters. This apart, the advanced RD-33MK engines that power the MiG-35/MiG-29OVT have a service life of 4,000 hours, which is double that of the 2,000 hours of the RD-33s installed on the older MiG-29s.

Exhibits at MAKS-2007 will be displayed inside a new 6,000 square metre pavilion being constructed on the airfield of the Gromov Flight Research Institute, said officials of Aviasalon, the exhibition organiser.

MAKS-2007 will also have 41 permanent chalets with an area of 5,400 square metres.

As over 20 companies are still on the waiting list, Aviasalon has decided to build 23 prefabricated chalets having an area of 2,000 square metres.

China's AVIC1, AVIC2, CAST and CASIC aviation companies are also expected to display their products at Zhukovsky. A 'Day of China' would also be declared as part of the ongoing Year of China in Russia.

The US will display a Boeing B-52 Stratofortress bomber, a KC-135 Stratotanker, a C-17 Globemaster cargo plane and two F-15 Eagle fighters.

Visitors will be also be able to see the Igla-S MANPADS (Man-Portable Air-Defence System) and its self-propelled and towed Strela-10 and Dzhigit equivalents, the Tor-M1, Osa-AKM, Buk, S-300PMU1, S-300PMU2 Favourite, S-300V (Antey-2500), S-400 Triumph and Pantsir anti-aircraft and missile-defence systems, the revamped Pechora air-defence systems, the Tunguska anti-aircraft gun/missile system and many others.

The Russian Navy will contribute its Shtil, Rif and Kashtan air-defence systems.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; airshow; aviation; mig35; russia
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1 posted on 08/03/2007 10:20:06 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Hmm, that plane looks a little familiar.


2 posted on 08/03/2007 10:24:29 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: MaxMax

to?


3 posted on 08/03/2007 10:25:06 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If they sell some to Iran, I’m sure we’ll eventually get to use them for target practice.


4 posted on 08/03/2007 10:25:53 PM PDT by Andrew_SoCal
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Maybe it's just me..

5 posted on 08/03/2007 10:28:16 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I like to watch Russian planes at airshows. Spectacular crashes!


6 posted on 08/03/2007 10:28:53 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Now, with even LARGER radar cross-section!

The Russians went the wrong way with fighter development. This thing would be killer in a world with no stealth main air combatants and missiles with no off-boresight capabilities. Unfortunately, neither of these is true, so the MiG-35 is in trouble before it ever arrives.


7 posted on 08/03/2007 10:30:00 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MaxMax

The Mig-29 is actually a lighter & smaller jet than the F-15 with lower range.The Russians built 2 aircraft to match the F-15’s development.THe Mig-29 & the SU-27.The latter looks more similar.


8 posted on 08/03/2007 10:34:39 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Spktyr

The Russians claim that it’s RCS is significantly smaller than the older Mig-29s.About stealth,well barring the US no one has or will have those for the near future.


9 posted on 08/03/2007 10:36:47 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: MaxMax

Yeah, it’s good that Russia is copying 70’s technology. They’re finally trying to get ahead.


10 posted on 08/03/2007 10:37:32 PM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: Andrew_SoCal
I think it was the SU-30s that Russia is selling to Iran in this latest deal.

It's unusual for a country to sell their top of the line stuff. Usually they sell the older stuff that they want to get rid of.

11 posted on 08/03/2007 10:37:58 PM PDT by squidly
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To: struggle
They should sell hundreds to Iran, we need more Aces.

/Salute

12 posted on 08/03/2007 10:39:14 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: struggle

The Mig-29 fly in the 70s itself.The 35 is just an updated variant.


13 posted on 08/03/2007 10:39:35 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: squidly

Russia doesn’t have the money to buy SU-30s.They have hardly got 100 new aircraft since the end of Soviet Union.


14 posted on 08/03/2007 10:40:27 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
In fact, no other fighter in the world, except the much heavier Sukhoi Su-35 Super Flanker that also has vector-thrust engines can match their performance.

Ba-dum-bum! Thanks very much! I'll be here all week!

15 posted on 08/03/2007 10:42:58 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’m not a pilot but to me, the first thing I thought of when I looked at that photo, was “boat anchor”...

Seriously.

I know MIGs are right up there in airworthiness, but it really does look like a boat anchor.

(splash)


16 posted on 08/03/2007 10:45:59 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (D is for Defeatism. R is for Reconquista.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I’ll run this photo and info by a friend who is an F-18 pilot and see what he thinks about it. (I’m sure he isn’t going to be too worried about it).


17 posted on 08/03/2007 10:49:52 PM PDT by Andrew_SoCal
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To: denydenydeny

Umm,that’s not exactly inaccurate.The Mig-35’s engines are fitted with 3 dimensional thrust vectoring nozzles giving it very high maneuverability.The F-22 & SU-30MKI/MKM have only 2d nozzles.


18 posted on 08/03/2007 10:50:36 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

WOW! Those dang Ruskies have finally caught up with our technology. Too bad for them it’s our 70’s technology.


19 posted on 08/03/2007 10:51:03 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: ExpatGator

Actually,they have had most of this for a long while.The basic fighter itself,is 30 years old.


20 posted on 08/03/2007 10:52:33 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: MaxMax

“Hmm, that plane looks a little familiar.”

My kid got one.


21 posted on 08/03/2007 10:58:13 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The Democrat Party: "Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“The F-22 & SU-30MKI/MKM have only 2d nozzles”

True, but you can’t see an F22. :)


22 posted on 08/03/2007 11:00:23 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The Democrat Party: "Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Bottom line: 70’s tech


23 posted on 08/03/2007 11:00:34 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Amen to that!!


24 posted on 08/03/2007 11:00:57 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: ExpatGator

A 70’s plane with some 4.5th generation tech.Much like the new F-15 or F-16 variants still being sold.


25 posted on 08/03/2007 11:02:06 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: ExpatGator

A 70’s plane with some 4.5th generation tech.Much like the new F-15 or F-16 variants still being sold.


26 posted on 08/03/2007 11:02:07 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Pogie bait for our Raptors.


27 posted on 08/03/2007 11:04:18 PM PDT by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
My kid got one.

God Speed Indeed. /Salute

28 posted on 08/03/2007 11:06:25 PM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: squidly

The Soviets usually produced a “monkey model” of their good stuff without all the good stuff inside.


29 posted on 08/03/2007 11:08:06 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: MaxMax

Look, form follows function.

Machines designed to do the same thing will look much alike in many ways. But rest assured that the Mig 29 and the Mig 35 are very different airplanes from the F-15. They are all aircraft of about the same generation, but were designed for somewhat different missions and different operating conditions.

The Mig 29 and its variants are superb aircraft designs as is the Su 27 and its variants. The Russians are very good engineers and are superb aerodynamicists.

They have produced very capable aircraft over the years.

So have we Americans. At the moment we are considerably ahead of the Russians, but that is largely because we have had the cash to do the research and build the aircraft, and they have not. It’s not because we’re smart and they’re ignorant Russkies.

There is a strain of anti Russian jingoism on these aeronautical threads that is entirely out of place.

I share most if not all the concerns that thinking people have about Russian politics and nationalism. But these things have little to do with aeronautics.


30 posted on 08/03/2007 11:16:12 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Well... not so fast. The Rafale is supposed to be a semi-stealthy design, as is the EF2000 (or whatever they’re calling that disaster this week.)

Adding that fuselage-top fuel tank can’t have helped RCS any. And I’m not seeing anything that even looks like IR baffles on it.

Yet more bait for Sidewinders and AMRAAMs.


31 posted on 08/03/2007 11:33:18 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: John Valentine
There is a strain of anti Russian jingoism on these aeronautical threads that is entirely out of place.

Actually its USChauvanism - it doesn't only apply to Russia.

Any fighter not built in the US

1. design was stolen from the F-4, F-14, F-15, or F-16.
2. Is just targets for the 1000+ Raptors which will be flyimg next month.
Also
3. Foreign countries should buy American instaed of designing their own aircraft
4. America should not sell advanced aircraft to foreign nations.
and (my favorite)
5. All US aircraft sold have a sicrit switch which some guy in the Pentagon can flip to take control of the aircraft

32 posted on 08/03/2007 11:33:38 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (“Serious-minded people have few ideas. People with ideas are never serious.” Paul Valery)
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Thank you Bill Clinton....

Your legacy is secure.


33 posted on 08/03/2007 11:35:15 PM PDT by pacificus
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To: EQAndyBuzz
but you can’t see an F22.

If you've got PPI you can.

34 posted on 08/03/2007 11:38:32 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: EQAndyBuzz

F-22 can still out-dog fight anything, even if it (The F-22) is able to be seen AND is flying subsonic.


35 posted on 08/03/2007 11:38:51 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The mig 29 in more on the same scale as the F-18.


36 posted on 08/03/2007 11:38:56 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: John Valentine

I looked at a mig 29 up close at an airshow. Fastener heads sticking up all over the place. Good designers, poor QA.


37 posted on 08/03/2007 11:42:31 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: John Valentine
Machines designed to do the same thing will look much alike in many ways.

Exactly. The Russian's may steal some technology here and there, but the TU-144 was not a copy of the Concorde and the Buran was not a copy of the Space Shuttle. We may have an edge on what goes inside an aircraft (radar, avionics), but aerodynamics is not a national secret.

38 posted on 08/03/2007 11:46:25 PM PDT by OCC
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To: sukhoi-30mki

A DINOSAUR IS A DINOSAUR.


39 posted on 08/03/2007 11:51:32 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (hater)
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To: Spktyr

I thought we were just discussing pure stealth over here.


40 posted on 08/04/2007 12:03:59 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: John Valentine
At the moment we are considerably ahead of the Russians, but that is
largely because we have had the cash to do the research and build the aircraft,

Money can "not only" buy love, but it can also end cold wars.
It only proves that they're so far behind that, stealing is their
only way of struggling to keep up.

God Bless America

/Salute

41 posted on 08/04/2007 12:04:40 AM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Nope. Remember, there’s a lot they could have done with the plane to make it inherently stealthier - starting with those enormous vertical tailplanes. Canting them would have helped a lot, for starters.


42 posted on 08/04/2007 12:06:11 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: MaxMax
stealing is their only way of struggling to keep up.

I'm not sure that they really are keeping up, but that's for another time.

I'm more curious to know just what it is that you think that the Russians "stole".

43 posted on 08/04/2007 12:20:54 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine
I'm more curious to know just what it is that you think that the Russians "stole".

Body design. Matter of fact, Unless we stole it from them where did their
designs come from? Certainly they redesigned our their fighters to
accommodate their own engines which is clearly shown in photographs.

Are you insinuating that the Russians have superior designs and capabilities over the USA?

MaxMax.

44 posted on 08/04/2007 12:37:12 AM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: MaxMax
I hardly know where to begin, so I'll begin at the end.

Are you insinuating that the Russians have superior designs and capabilities over the USA?

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm stating up front and in bold type.Yes. In some areas and in certain respects, the Russians have (or had, for they have fallen astern lately) superior designs and capabilities over the USA.

And, let me note the fact that just because aircraft designs have similarities does not mean that either designer "stole" anything from the other. It means that engineering design solutions are driven by similar design constraints and by the laws of physics and chemistry.

Beyond that, anyone with a good eye can have a look at the photographs of a Mig-35 and an F-15 and find dozens of significant design differences. It is extraordinarily naive to dwell on superficial similarities in over all look, like swept wings, a cockpit on the top of the fuselage, trapezoidal inlet ramps, and swept wings as evidence that one designer "stole" from the other.

45 posted on 08/04/2007 12:51:12 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: John Valentine
Yes. In some areas and in certain respects, the Russians have
(or had, for they have fallen astern lately)
superior designs and capabilities over the USA.

!

46 posted on 08/04/2007 12:58:00 AM PDT by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Love these threads...
47 posted on 08/04/2007 2:26:48 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

What democrat sold them the plans for an F-15??..


48 posted on 08/04/2007 2:30:41 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

in wander what mig 40 will look like

will it be just like that with another sticker on it


49 posted on 08/04/2007 3:31:24 AM PDT by Flavius
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The highly manoeuvrable, multi-role and lightweight MiG-35/MiG-29OVT is powered by vector-thrust engines that enable the aircraft to flip on its back in midair and fly tail first as it fires its weapons at enemy aircraft.

BWAA HAA HAA!

Haven't seen a plane do that since my 5 year old grandson shot down his little brother while they were playing with their toy airplanes!

50 posted on 08/04/2007 3:54:28 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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