Posted on 08/04/2007 2:34:44 PM PDT by mmanager
Mitt Romney engaged in a heated discussion about his Mormon faith with a prominent Des Moines talk show host off the air on Thursday morning. The contentious back-and-forth between Romney and WHO's Jan Mickelson began on the air (video link courtesy Breitbart.tv) when the former governor appeared on the popular program that has become a regular stop for GOP presidential hopefuls. But the conversation spilled over to a commercial break and went on after the program ended, where a visibly annoyed Romney spoke in much greater detail about his church's doctrines than he is comfortable doing so in public.
The footage was captured by the station's in-studio camera and posted on its website. But Romney, who is careful to portray a sunny and upbeat public image, clearly did not know he was being recorded. The candidate reveals a private side that is at turns cutting, combative and sarcastic, but most of all agitated at being forced to defend what he and his church stand for.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Plates
Some excerts:
According to the Book of Mormon the golden plates were engraved by a pre-Columbian prophet-warrior named Mormon and his son Moroni (who after death protected the buried plates as the angel Moroni) in about the year 400 CE
As a youth,Joseph Smith, Jr. lived on his parents’ farm near Palmyra, New York a place and time noted for its participation in the Second Great Awakening and a “craze for treasure hunting.” Beginning in the early 1820s, he was paid to act as a “seer”, to use seer stones in (mostly unsuccessful) attempts to locate lost items and buried treasure. His contemporaries said he would put the stone in a white stovepipe hat, put his face over the hat to block the light, and then “see” the information in the reflections of the stone. His favored stone, chocolate-colored and about the size of an egg, was found in a deep well he helped dig for one of his neighbors. etc etc etc
These plates are said to be engraved in something called Reformed Egyptian. In 1830 nobody could read ancient Egyptian let alone reformed Egyptian, that so called language is but a concoction by Joseph Smith, a man who was steeped in superstitions.
This hokum goes on and on. There is some excuse for ignorant folks in the 19th century to accept stuff like this; but not in the present day.
No one likes to have their sincere beliefs shattered by cold logic and I feel bad for all the Mormons who have devoted their lives to the furtherance this exceedingly strange cult. They deserve better.
I am sorry the climate here is hard to read!:)
Ditto. It saddens me to see so-called conservatives here betray the Republican ideals on civil rights.
Almost always, the creative dedicated minority has made the world better.
-Martin King, Jr.-
Such a lot of that sentiment going on at FR these days...
The following was posted by one of the Romney supporters on 7/28:
It is no different than radical Islam who is forcing the world to comply and be a Muslims or die, will some Christian are acting in the same mode towards those who do not conform to be a Trintarian, they will go to hell!
Posted by a mormon apologist on 7/01:
Ampu, do you advocate the murder of those you disagree with on religion? (I can’t help but picture beheadings here)
Posted by a mormon apologist on 7/01
You are despicable, disgusting, and a disgrace. If I think of more D’s that fit your kind, I’ll post later. Dumba$$
Posted by a mormon apologist on 6/20
those who crucified our Lord. That is the company you are keeping when you level that charge, Enosh.
Posted by a mormon apologist on 6/19
The anti-Mormon mobs (which unfortunately are a lot of evangelical Christians
Posted by a Romney supporter on 5/29 Indeed, these threads are full of inexplicable hatred. Just be sure who the hatred is directed AT when you bemoan it.
Reminscent of the dubious Nathaniel: "Can anything good come out of Nazareth?"
Why do you people hate Mormons so much? Any faith can be ridiculed by outsiders--that takes no brain at all-- but even so, it hardly justifies the snarky attitude.
This is handling the press well?
Again asking Romney to come back to show, Mickelson offered, "I hope we can do this so we can expend some quality time on here rather than the sound bytes."
"No, I don't like coming on the air and having you go after me and my church," Romney testily responded.
"I'm not going after your church; I agree with your church!" Mickelson replied somewhat incredulously.
"I'm not running as a Mormon," Romney came back, "and I get a little tired of coming on a show like yours and having it all about Mormon."
"See, I don't mind about it being all about that," Mickelson explained.
"I do. I do," Romney struck back.
Defensive, evasive and "testy".
Maybe because he's running for President of the US, not bishop of his Church. Perhaps he'd like to be able to air his views on the real issues of the day and not waste time explaining his faith to dishonest skeptics who are merely playing gotcha.
Maybe because he knows that this whole setup was designed to feed the bigotry of anti-mormon prigs.
Have you seen the polls in Utah?
8 June 2007 - Utah State Republican Convention Presidential Straw Poll
| Candidate | RAW | % |
|---|---|---|
| Mitt Romney | 1042 | 80.46% |
| Ron Paul | 70 | 5.41% |
| Rudy Giuliani | 57 | 4.40% |
| John McCain | 54 | 4.17% |
| Tom Tancredo | 19 | 1.47% |
| Tommy Thompson | 16 | 1.24% |
| Fred Thompson (write-in) | 15 | 1.16% |
| Mike Huckabee | 12 | 0.93% |
| Sam Brownback | 8 | 0.62% |
| Stan Lockhart (write-in, newly elected Chair of the Utah GOP) | 1 | 0.08% |
| Newt Gingrich (write-in) | 1 | 0.08% |
There is no bigot like a "Christian" bigot. You need to grow up and learn some respect for your betters.
He’s already a “leader” in his Church. Don’t you think it might be just a tad bit impotant to find out about his church since he cleary (in this video) stated he was a Church LEADER as both a Bishop and Stake President.
JF Kennedy wasn’t the Bishop of a diocese for heaven’s sake, the equivalent of a Mormon Stake President (Romney has held this position). It is the Romney campaign committee that keeps drawing parallels between Kennedy and Romney, but in reality Kennedy’s beliefs weren’t central to his character and his life in the same way that Romney’s are. The parallels just don’t exist,
You conman false prophet was concerned enough about a lack of him in the Bible, he rewrote the Bible to include fabricated prophecies of his coming ‘in these latter days.’ And that’s information from your LDS site, BTW. But rewriting the Bible to include thousands of words not in the Hebrew is okay to a cult such as Mormonism. Scoff and ridicule and condescend at the opposition to your cult, your own source materials expose the truth about your cult and thus expose the flaw in Mittster’s spiritual capacity.
LOL!
It no longer surprises me when a Mormonism follower posts a scripture verse out of Bible context claiming it authorizes the idiocies and heresies at the heart of Mormonism. The passage from John was spoken to Jews, Jesus’s disciples at the time, not yet of the Church, and Jesus was speaking of the Church age when gentiles would be brought into the Grace of God. But keep up the cultish dissembling and twisting, you make good education for those unaware of the demonic nature in Mormonism’s foundations.
Here we go again, how many times have you posted this? At least a couple dozen I think...
I watched the entire video and Mitt’s responses were appropriate. Please note that words like “testily” “incredulously” “explained” “struck back” were not part of the dialog but were added to color the event. It helps to watch the video unfiltered and unadorned.
Your excerpt was a the tail end, after Mickelson had insisted on making Mormonism the topic of the show. He badgered and interrupted Romney both on-air and in the breaks. Mitt was affable and responded with reason throughout. Let’s present your excerpt without the color commentary:
Mickelson: “I hope we can do this so we can expend some quality time on here rather than the sound bytes.”
Romney: “No, I don’t like coming on the air and having you go after me and my church.”
Mickelson: “I’m not going after your church; I agree with your church!”
Romney: “I’m not running as a Mormon, and I get a little tired of coming on a show like yours and having it all about Mormon.”
Mickelson: “See, I don’t mind about it being all about that.”
Romney: “I do. I do.”
Even in your excerpt, Mickelson is being unreasonable and making it all about Mormonism despite Romney's protests.
Mickelson pushed too hard and forced a confrontation that Romney handled well. I, for one, am tired of the Mormon emphasis. We don't do that with Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Jews, or even Muslims. It's Muslims who are practicing terrorism, not Mormons.
And the truth about your conman prophet hasn’t changed. Not all those you apologists try to ridicule and condescend over have yet read the blatant demonic works of Joe Smith. Would you like for me to post the LDS link to Smith’s rewrite of the Bible, especially the additions to Genesis like the 800 plus words at the end of chapter 50?
We don't have a muslim running for POTUS...yet.
Even in your excerpt, Mickelson is being unreasonable and making it all about Mormonism despite Romney's protests.
And, you don't think Mitt will meet more "unreasonable" interviewers? Sorry, I don't agree with your assessment of Mitt's handling of the matter. Time will tell.
GO ahead, I can post a few more too, it’s amazing how many prophecies are in the bible about the dispensation of teh fullness of times. This will be fun.
Good Sabbath BTW!
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