Posted on 08/04/2007 2:34:44 PM PDT by mmanager
Mitt Romney engaged in a heated discussion about his Mormon faith with a prominent Des Moines talk show host off the air on Thursday morning. The contentious back-and-forth between Romney and WHO's Jan Mickelson began on the air (video link courtesy Breitbart.tv) when the former governor appeared on the popular program that has become a regular stop for GOP presidential hopefuls. But the conversation spilled over to a commercial break and went on after the program ended, where a visibly annoyed Romney spoke in much greater detail about his church's doctrines than he is comfortable doing so in public.
The footage was captured by the station's in-studio camera and posted on its website. But Romney, who is careful to portray a sunny and upbeat public image, clearly did not know he was being recorded. The candidate reveals a private side that is at turns cutting, combative and sarcastic, but most of all agitated at being forced to defend what he and his church stand for.
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Thank you for understanding what I meant. I can see how Color misread it though, so no worries.
You weren't very intelligently designed.
There are over 1300 religious denominations in America. Why don't you tell us your religious test so we know who can and can't be president.
I fear for them as well. I’ll be going back up there tommorow afternoon for another 4 days. It will be a long time before they get them out. The families are going through hell right now.
The helper museum is very cool, have been there a few times. Thanks.
Elsie, found this for ya: The striking resemblance between the temple endowment and the early Christian rite of initiation is strong evidence that Joseph Smith did indeed restore the original ancient temple rites.
The ancient Christian initiation rite appears to have been a conflation of the temple endowment with the ordinance of baptism. Non-members were not permitted to view the rite, and in most cases it was not administered to a person until he or she had been a believer for at least one year. The rite was sometimes referred to as “the mystery,” and the things involved therein were on occasion called “the mysteries.”
During the rite of initiation, the candidate could be taught certain “higher teachings” which were reserved only for members who were deemed ready and worthy to receive them.
Extra-scriptural higher teachings are mentioned by several early Christian bishops and apologists. For example, Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 150-215), a prominent theologian in the early church and head of the Christian academy in Alexandria, stated that these higher teachings were not included in Christ’s public preaching but were transmitted UNWRITTEN by the apostles and were given only to church members who were qualified to receive them (MaGill 47). Clement declared that these sacred teachings were the key to entering into the “highest sphere” of heaven (MaGill 47).
The rite of initiation also included the administering of sacred signs and tokens, Garden-of-Eden scenes in the background, the rebuking of Satan with upraised arm, the wearing of sacred white clothing (some of which had markings identical to those on LDS temple garments), and the anointing of various parts of the body with oil.
Of course, the sacred nature of the Mormon temple prevents me from explaining the significance of these items in relation to the endowment. However, suffice it to say that any Latter-day Saint who has been to the temple will immediately see the significance of these things.
For those who would like to learn more about the early Christian rite of initiation and the extra-scriptural higher teachings which accompanied it, I would suggest they consult the research that has been done on this subject by Seaich (1983:56-75; 1984), Stephen E. Robinson (96-103), Hugh Nibley, Blake Ostler, William Hamblin, Roger J. Adams, and Darrick Evenson (71-101).
“Looks like the bigots have found this thread and are doing their level best to muck it up with their lies, smears, and nasty religious intolerance”
If the religious bigots try too hard to discredit Mitt, they might succeed in attracting the more traditional Democrats, who in turn might vote for Mitt out of sympathy because it might become the impression that Mitt is being discriminated against. You never know, it could work to his advantage. All works to the good of those who love the Lord. Reagan attracted the working class democrats and Mitt might too over this very issue, if it’s God’s will.
I don’t think that anyone who speaks in tongues has the right to get testy with the Mormon religion, because the way I see it, tongue speakers always have to do lotts of justifying to make it seem like their practice is mainstream. It certainly isn’t a given that speaking in tongues is a real form of worship, it is very debate-able. It’s not a given at all that this is a real form of worship. Actually, I think the pracitice is disengenous, but I figure who is perfect anyway?
Disingenuous of you mmanager
You did not really want to know the answer to your question all you wanted to do is set up an LDS inorder to take your cheap shots!
So a businessman with an MBA and a law degree is "not suited" for the big chair? Then who is, Hitlery or Obama or an actor/former Senator? Just who? As for #s 1-4, you are wrong again.
Bush has handled rude people very well and so would Mitt.
Just like the missionarys. Go knock on another door.
Oh please by now everyone knows who they are and their mission they don't hide it they wear name tags!
Gov Mitt Romney won the 2007 Ames straw poll, receiving 4516 votes, or 31%.
In a surprise, Gov. Mike Huckabee finished second with 2587 votes at 18.1%
11. John Cox with 41 votes.
10. John McCain with 101 votes.
9. Duncan Hunter with 174 votes.
8. Rudy Giuliani with 183 votes.
7. Fred Thomson with 231 votes.
6. Tommy Thompson, 1,009 votes, 7.3%
5. Ron Paul with 1305 votes, and 9.1%
4. Tom Tancredo with 1961 votes, 13.7%.
3. Sen. Sam Brownback with 2192 votes and 15.3%
Iowa state auditor David Vaudt unofficially certified the results.
14,203 ballots were cast.
PI,
Thank you for your opinion. I disagree.
The government is not a business - and not the place
for business CEOs. Different dynamics and skills needed.
An MBA in government is not the most desirable training
to have (yes, I know GW has one).
As to the other items, we’ll have to disagree.
best,
ampu
I disagree. The government is a business, the business of the people. It’s product is to protect the common welfare, provide liberties to all men, and protect this great nation using it’s great people.
What makes Mitt even more effective, is that besides managing companies and people, he has managed government as well. Only a handful of POTUS has ever been elected that were not former Governors. I hate to break it to you, but Mitt is right up there in qualifications.
seven,
where I disagree with you is that the government may
euphemistically be referred to as the “business of the
people”, in reality, it is no kind of business at all.
Mitt certainly has been a governor of a state, a fertile
ground for POTUS, historically.
It remains to see how being a member of a cult will
affect turnout for him, should he win the primary.
Will those 30-61% of Americans in an earlier poll now
act to get rid of the Hildabeast?? And what percentage
of those 30-61% are never voting for a Republican anyway?
No one knows yet.
best,
ampu
At this point, you disingenuously change my question. I didn’t specify Romney, I wrote “a Mormon President.” You make reference to “mitt” specifically:
aMorePerfectUnion: But until Mitt talks with the American people about his basic beliefs and convinces them that even though he is in a fringe religious group (numerically), that he is still normal (sic).L.N. Smithee: So let me ask YOU: What exactly is it that YOU fear might happen if this country elects a Mormon President? Can YOU even articulate it? Don't chicken out.
aMPU: I, personally, will not be voting for someone in a cult for POTUS - regardless if the cult is mormonism, jehovah’s witness, Hare Krishna, etc. That’s pretty simple.
LNS: So, you're like the people who could never vote for John or Robert Kennedy -- not because of their policies, but because they had some twisted idea that the United States would be run by remote control from the Vatican…You don’t and can’t speak for “The American People.” Don’t project your ignorance and bigotry on the rest of us.
aMPU: [JFK] wasn’t a cultist…Bigotry is an interesting word. I do believe that my beliefs are better than other groups…I’m also bigoted towards those in cults when it comes to voting for POTUS.
LNS: You have yet to answer my question, which should be easy to answer: What exactly is it that YOU fear might happen if this country elects a Mormon President? Can YOU even articulate it?
aMPU: I never once said I was afraid that something would happen to the country if mitt were elected... so to insist that I answer your question is silly.I am simply not voting for mitt because:
1. He has the Rhino Virus
2. Favorable toward gay rights
3. Conversion of convenience to the Pro-life position
4. In a cult and thinks he will be a god of his own planet
5. Is a businessman and not suited to the Big Chair
Let's suppose that everything you wanted in a Presidential candidate was in place, except that said person was a Mormon. You wouldn't vote for that person. Why not? You still haven’t yet articulated why you couldn’t besides the equivalent of “just because.”
Miss Smithee,
“At this point, you disingenuously change my question.”
Why is it that the first thing a mormon does is accuse
someone they disagree with of lying and distorting the
truth? Do they teach that as a tactic?
I assume you have not participated in the Mitt Romney/
POTUS discussions that have taken place over the past
5 months here at FR? If you had, you would have the
answer to your question, because it’s been discussed
endlessly. To give you a head start, it had nothing
to do with “What ...YOU fear might happen if this country elects a Mormon President” - as you phrased it.
I do not “owe” you an answer. I’ve been clear that I
will not vote for any cultist for POTUS - including
someone trapped in the cult of mormonism... whether it
is mitt or another person trapped in mormonism.
best,
ampu
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