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Contractor Calls Shooting of Two Men Self-Defense
The New York Times ^ | August 2, 2007 | CARA BUCKLEY

Posted on 08/04/2007 8:08:45 PM PDT by monkeycard

One man was killed and another wounded after being shot in Queens late Tuesday by a contractor who told investigators that the men had demanded $20,000 from him and threatened to harm his wife, law enforcement officials said.

The contractor, Lulzim Kupi, 42, told investigators he shot the men in self-defense. He was expected to be charged with second-degree murder and criminal possession of a weapon, the police said. One man who was shot, Redinel Dervishaj, 32, was in stable condition at Elmhurst Hospital Center with gunshot wounds to the arm and torso, law enforcement officials said. The other man, Gentian Kasa, 31, died after being shot several times, at least once in the head, officials said.

The shootings took place about 10:30 p.m. Tuesday on Putnam Avenue, in Ridgewood, close to a tan brick row house Mr. Kupi shares with his wife, three children and two adults believed to be his or his wife’s parents. According to law enforcement officials, Mr. Kupi, an Albanian immigrant, said he had been at dinner with relatives in Connecticut hours before the shooting, when he received a threatening phone call from either Mr. Kasa or Mr. Dervishaj. He told investigators that the caller demanded $20,000 in cash.

Mr. Kupi told investigators he and his family went home, and some time later, he got another call and went outside with a .357 magnum in his pocket or tucked in his waistband.

The police said they believed the three men knew each other from the contracting business, possibly through a job or jobs building bars for Albanian social clubs.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: albanians; aliens; armed; bang; citizen; defense; immigrantlist; self
"They then tried to brush past him into the house, reaching for guns, and threatening to rape his wife..."


1 posted on 08/04/2007 8:08:48 PM PDT by monkeycard
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To: DaveLoneRanger

ping


2 posted on 08/04/2007 8:10:09 PM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: monkeycard

Sounds like a fairly typical mob business dispute.


3 posted on 08/04/2007 8:12:01 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: monkeycard

If the facts are as reported, hopefully he’ll be able to beat the murder rap, but in NYC, unfortunately, there’s really no way for him to beat the gun charge.


4 posted on 08/04/2007 8:12:44 PM PDT by squidly
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To: monkeycard

Honestly, there could be a lot more to this story—I wouldn’t take it at face value. It smells like organized crime to me. The family protection story may just be a cover for something else that went bad.


5 posted on 08/04/2007 8:13:38 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Lancey Howard
Sounds like a fairly typical,Albanian immigrant mob business dispute.
6 posted on 08/04/2007 8:15:29 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Lancey Howard; monkeycard
Police sources said all three men had connections to the Albanian mob, which, since arriving in New York in the early 1990s, has elbowed into the criminal rackets traditionally run by the Mafia.

Kupi's brother is allegedly one of the leaders in the Albanian mob, and Dervishaj is under federal investigation, the sources said.

NYPOST

7 posted on 08/04/2007 8:20:31 PM PDT by endthematrix (He was shouting 'Allah!' but I didn't hear that. It just sounded like a lot of crap to me.)
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To: endthematrix

Could be a mob thing going on here I have no clue, but to threaten to rape someones wife is wrong.


8 posted on 08/04/2007 8:22:54 PM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: endthematrix

Watch. The cops will have failed to read the suspect his Miranda rights in Albanian and the charges will be dismissed.


9 posted on 08/04/2007 8:23:07 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: monkeycard

Why are the cops getting invovled in an Albanian mob dispute?


10 posted on 08/04/2007 8:24:47 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: endthematrix

Okay, I take it back.


11 posted on 08/04/2007 8:26:40 PM PDT by squidly
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To: monkeycard

What the heck kind of firearm did Oleg drag out of the toybox this time?

That guy has the most interesting choice of guns.


12 posted on 08/04/2007 8:30:01 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: squidly

We will learn the truth soon, it will be on an upcoming episode of Law and Order (albeit slightly left of center).


13 posted on 08/04/2007 8:37:27 PM PDT by doc1019 (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: monkeycard

I guess the neighbors called the police and they came relatively quickly.

Explains why Mr. Kupi didn’t dump the bodies into the East River as is traditional in this kind of event.


14 posted on 08/04/2007 8:40:03 PM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: monkeycard

Here in Texas we’d pin a medal on him;
in New York he’s a criminal.

Is there any clearer distinction between one society and another than that?


15 posted on 08/04/2007 8:43:45 PM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD -"What would Jack Bauer do?")
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To: Redbob

Very good point.


16 posted on 08/04/2007 8:51:30 PM PDT by monkeycard (There is no such thing as too much ammo.)
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To: monkeycard
The 104 precinct isn't too far from where the shooting occurred. That part of Ridgewood has a lot of houses on the block. Really hard not to be seen after that.
17 posted on 08/04/2007 9:27:02 PM PDT by JimC214
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To: monkeycard

He had a gun, a .357 handgun no less, in New York City. He’s toast.


18 posted on 08/04/2007 9:36:00 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: monkeycard; EdReform; Ladysmith; Petruchio; PeterPrinciple; alpha-8-25-02; F.J. Mitchell; ...
We've been following this one at the Civilian Gun Defense Blog. We're usually not inclined to post stories where someone is arrested, but the bail was set unusually low for a murder suspect, and they are suggesting the guy might be released.

I don't want to add this one to the official armed citizen archives yet (with an official logo ping and all) but all indications point to this being a legitimate use of self-defense.
19 posted on 08/04/2007 9:38:01 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Being normal is not neccessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage.")
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To: Lancey Howard

Yep


20 posted on 08/04/2007 9:42:01 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Shooter 2.5
FN/FAL variant I think.

This one is Century International L1A1 Sporter Note the side of the receiver, the style of the sights and the carrying handle, which is up the photo below, and down in Oleg's picture.

Compare with Oleg's


21 posted on 08/04/2007 9:43:27 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: org.whodat

Sounds like a fairly typical,Albanian immigrant mob business dispute.”

Diversity is our friend..................


22 posted on 08/04/2007 9:43:36 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
re: #19

Sounds like a good shoot to me -- so far.

23 posted on 08/04/2007 10:05:49 PM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (If we were meant to never shoot thugs, God would not have given us trigger fingers.)
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To: squidly

It would be nice if had the chance to tell the judge;

Your honor, I know the city of New York would prefer if my family and I were dead, and the police had added our murderers to the list of people the were trying to identify.
However, since the city is unable to provide my family with body guards, that responsiblity lies with me. And that is the duty I carried out.
I’m sure your honor doesn’t rely on the police for protection and is wise enough to carry his own protection.
That is the right guarenteed by the Bill of Rights and the city of New York does not have the right to deny that guarentee.


24 posted on 08/04/2007 10:26:45 PM PDT by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: El Gato

not an mp5?


25 posted on 08/04/2007 11:23:58 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: El Gato

ah no I guess not.


26 posted on 08/04/2007 11:24:55 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: El Gato

Good one. I had forgotten the charging handle is on the left side of those.
Oleg sort of inspired me to buy the Matebas. I can’t say I recommend them as shooters. They are just a weird museum safe queen to be taken out once in awhile.


27 posted on 08/05/2007 5:48:13 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: PAR35

Maybe because they committed a crime(s) on U.S. soil?


28 posted on 08/05/2007 5:57:57 AM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: monkeycard
Why are obviously false articles like this one posted on FR. EVeryone KNOWS this story can't be true because they have strict gun laws in New York, consequently it is one of the safest places on earth. People don't threaten and shoot people in New York. It just doesn't happen. Repeat after me: It just doesn't happen.

Somebody had to say it.

29 posted on 08/05/2007 8:45:21 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: monkeycard
The police said they believed the three men knew each other from the contracting business, possibly through a job or jobs building bars for Albanian social clubs.

Gee, I thought all killing by and of Albanians was solely the fault of Milosevic and the Serbs. Who they gonna blame now?

30 posted on 08/05/2007 1:08:13 PM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: monkeycard

The newspapers are writing such lies!!!!!!! I can not see how this could have been in self defense!!!!
If there was 2 on 1 why didn’t they fire at Mr. Kupi? Or why didn’t they fire back? If they went with intention of killing Mr. Kupi I think they would make sure that they can take out the guns properly. Now if you shot one man and the other is running away why not call the police but chase after him. Obviously he does not want to kill you if he’s running away from him!!!!!
I feel bad for Mr. Kasa’s wife who’s pregnant. And on top of everything the newspapers are writing such horrible lies about Mr. Kasa without really knowing who he was.


31 posted on 08/10/2007 12:08:29 PM PDT by Karolina
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