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American Spreads Hiroshima Legacy (traitor barf alert)
AP ^ | 8/4/2007 | CATHY BUSSEWITZ

Posted on 08/05/2007 7:44:36 AM PDT by enraged

Sixty-two years later, the memory of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima still holds such a grip on Japan that its defense minister has had to resign simply for suggesting the attack was "unavoidable."

Now, in a sign of changing times, the task of spreading Hiroshima's message to the world has been entrusted to an American, a citizen of the country that dropped the bomb on Aug. 6, 1945.

(Excerpt) Read more at comcast.net ...


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Usual claim here, "Japan was finished, USA bad"

"There have been some people outside Hiroshima who have written letters complaining after my appointment got into the national press. But really very few," he said.

Maybe we can work on that....

1 posted on 08/05/2007 7:44:41 AM PDT by enraged
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To: enraged

The link doesn’t seem to take me to any article; instead, it takes me to a page of article summaries, and I didn’t notice the referenced article there in the summaries.


2 posted on 08/05/2007 7:48:12 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: enraged

I tried a second time, and it does this time. Sorry for any confusion.


3 posted on 08/05/2007 7:48:59 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: snowsislander
Try this link.
4 posted on 08/05/2007 7:49:45 AM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: enraged
The very definition of BS.
5 posted on 08/05/2007 7:52:06 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: enraged
The Japanese were NOT innocent. They started the war. And I agree with President Truman the United States was not going to risk two million American lives on an invasion of the Japanese home islands when there was a faster - and more moral way - to drive home to the Japanese the senselessness of their continued resistance in the face of certain defeat.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

6 posted on 08/05/2007 7:52:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: enraged
"Everybody knows on the left and the right that Japan was finished at the time the bomb was dropped," Leeper said.

Everybody except the Japanese. Even after the atomic bombing of two Japanese cities, the military still did not want to surrender. Only the emperor was able to stop the military, and only just barely.

Leeper is just another "war never solved anything" nut.

7 posted on 08/05/2007 7:53:29 AM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: enraged
Just one of those funny little beliefs the Japanese have. Fact is the Japanese government waited until we had dropped TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF BOMBS, both an uranium and a plutonium bomb, before deciding it was time to surrender.

They did not, of course, know that we didn't have a lot more such bombs but they did know everything they needed to know about both kinds to manufacture them themselves (given sufficient time).

They simply didn't have enough time but knew we had immense capacity if we could build both kinds.

Remember, they had their own atom bomb program, a good deal of which was located in what is now North Korea.

8 posted on 08/05/2007 7:54:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TheDon
War solves the problem of aggression. Try explaining that to liberals ignorant of history.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

9 posted on 08/05/2007 7:55:24 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: enraged

History rewritten.

“Everyone knows”? Anyone who knows the character of Truman also knows that he ordered the bombing only after Japan refused to surrender after being warned of the consequences - and with great reluctance.

And “everyone” seems to have forgotten Pearl Harbor.


10 posted on 08/05/2007 7:56:18 AM PDT by tennteacher (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: TheDon

There was an attempted coup to prevent the “shame” of defeat.


11 posted on 08/05/2007 7:56:41 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: enraged
The article is just leftist opinion posing as "journalism".

The author Bussewitz, for instance, asserts "Leeper shares the view of most Japanese: that Japan had already lost the war and that the bombing of Hiroshima, and of Nagasaki three days later, was wrong and unnecessary" but doesn't bother to give a single statistic supporting that very broad assertion about all Japanese citizens' beliefs.

From looking at her web page at Berkeley, the author appears to be a recent graduate of Berkeley's Journalism School:


Experience Intern, PBS/Frontline, Berkeley, CA, June 2005-present
Wrote article for Frontline website about information sharing between local and federal law enforcement. Conducted investigative research on government restructuring, prepared questions for on-camera interviews, did background research and checked facts, shot digital photos for website, and assisted with shoots for documentary.

Freelance Journalist, Berkeley, CA, September 2005-present
Contributed features and articles to the Oakland Tribune and East Bay Daily News. Produced television packages for UCTV on the rising cost of water, the growth of parolees in the trucking industry, and an annual quest for love. Logged, digitized and transcribed tapes for Frontline/World.

Politics Intern, NY 1 News, New York, NY, June 200 -September 2004
Cut video montages and sound bytes, wrote teases and short stories for nightly political news program, assisted reporters in field, contributed research, guest ideas and production assistance during 2004 presidential campaigns and conventions.

Reporting Intern, City/State Dept., The Village Voice, New York, NY, January 2003-May 2003
Conducted interviews and research as lead intern for investigation into union benefits funds, compared bid documents, analyzed campaign contributions and government policies, covered press conferences, filed FOIL letters, obtained court files and public records, contributed reporting for weekly column on city and state politics. Earned special reporting by-line for work on series.

Community Reporter, The Independent, New York, NY, May 2002-October 2002
Reported and wrote articles on community gardens, open space, sexual harassment, and community issues. Contributed photos, edited copy, and conducted outreach and distribution

Paralegal, Kaye Scholer LLP, New York, NY, November 2002-July 2005
Managed paralegals, medical analysts, local counsel in discovery phase of multi-party litigation.

Research Assistant, Young and Rubicam, New York, NY, September 1999-November 2001
Coordinated international study of brand personality, analyzed data to report changes in consumer behavior utilizing personality tests and statistics, spent three months in London office.
 
Education University of California, Berkeley, Graduate School of Journalism
MJ expected May 2007

Syracuse University, Maxwell School of Citizenship & Public Affairs
BA, English; BA, Policy Studies, 1997
 
Awards Chancellor's Award for Public Service in Community Service Leadership, Syracuse University, 1997; Member, Investigative Reporters and Editors, 2003-present
 
Skills FinalCut Pro, Panasonic DSR, Sony PD 150, Lexis-Nexis, Microsoft Office
 
References Wayne Barrett, Senior Editor, The Village Voice

Robert Hardt, Politcs Director, NY1 News

Rob Gunnison, Director of School Affairs, UC Berkeley Graduate School of Journalism
 
 
 

Last updated: February 08 2007.



12 posted on 08/05/2007 7:59:35 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: TheDon
Note: My next immediate posting. The Japanese government (army and navy included) surrendered AFTER they determined they'd been hit with both an uranium and plutonium bomb.

That's the reason for the delay ~ to send out the investigatory team to verify the type of bombs used.

The background reason for Truman's decision was quite simple ~ any country that had the capability of investigating these events and determining which type of bombs were used could make them given enough time.

The war had to be ended by all means ~ not just 2 million troops were at stake ~ hundreds of millions of Americans, Europeans and Asians' lives were at stake should the Japanese complete their own atom bomb development program and restart their conquests.

They need not have built a single bomb to be a real threat in the nearterm future.

13 posted on 08/05/2007 8:00:29 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: enraged
"Everybody knows on the left and the right that Japan was finished at the time the bomb was dropped," Leeper said.
BS BS BS.
Operation Downfall: Olympic, Coronet The Invasion of Japan
[snip] "At the time of the start to planning of Olympic, there were 1-1/2 [Japanese] divisions based on southern Kyushu; these with various service bases there amounted to about 45,000 men. Planners expected an additional three divisions to be moved into the area by the time of the landings. The Japanese were able to predict the landing using the same logic as US planners and moved 9 more divisions into the area for 216,000 men by the time of the surrender."
14 posted on 08/05/2007 8:00:44 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: enraged

In the long run...probably the best thing that happened to Japan. Look at it now!


15 posted on 08/05/2007 8:01:16 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: enraged

I don’t suppose that the huge number of American deaths that would have resulted from an invasion means anything to him?

Hey, whats a million or so dead American men anyway?


16 posted on 08/05/2007 8:01:55 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: enraged

We killed far, far more people and destroyed more cities during the fire bombings earlier that year (Mar-April) yet the two a-bombing are the ones that still upset them the most.


17 posted on 08/05/2007 8:03:18 AM PDT by Brian Mosely (A government is a body of people -- usually notably ungoverned)
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Leeper shares the view of most Japanese: that Japan had already lost the war and that the bombing of Hiroshima, and of Nagasaki three days later, was wrong and unnecessary.

"Everybody knows on the left and the right that Japan was finished at the time the bomb was dropped," Leeper said.

Steven Leeper is a liar, plain and simple. Between the time Truman became President and the dropping of the bomb on Hiro, about four months, the United States suffered nearly half of its total casualties in the Pacific Theater. After the bombing of Nagasaki the largest air raid of the war was flown against Japan on the 14th because they refused to surrender. If Tojo had gotten his way we would have had to invade.

18 posted on 08/05/2007 8:03:24 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: enraged

Everybody knows on the left and the right that Japan was finished at the time the bomb was dropped,” Leeper said.

Really,well I heard there were about 1 1\2 million American GI’s and Marines who were NOT looking forward to invading Japan proper. I guess they weren’t as smart as Leeper !!!


19 posted on 08/05/2007 8:04:03 AM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: enraged
Utterly moronic lack of any sort of intellectual ability or historic honesty on display here.

IF the Atomic bomb had NOT been dropped, the Japanese people would of been virtually exterminated by bombing, pestilence and disease.

The Japanese islands could not support their population. With the bombing and the sub warfare the transportation net was gone. Japanese civilians would of died in the 10s of millions suffered from famine and disease.

Also, if we had gone for a siege instead of dropping the bomb or invaded not only would the Japanese civilian death toll been hugely higher, given the sorts of collateral civilian damage caused by the military technology of the time but the Stalin would invariably used the opportunity to invade the northern part of Japan. Instead of Korea, Japan would of been partitioned with all the horrors that has brought for Korea for 63 years and counting. Both the author, and the subject, are idiots studying to be morons....and failing. The ONLY humane thing to do in 1945 is to drop the atomic bombs and end the war quickly. Any other action by the allies would of been barbaric.

20 posted on 08/05/2007 8:04:25 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: bill1952
Its funny coming from the same people bellyaching over a few thousand American deaths in Iraq. But they rule out absolutely using nuclear weapons to vanquish Al Qaeda even if that would mean saving the lives of the troops they claim to support.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

21 posted on 08/05/2007 8:05:14 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Brian Mosely

“We killed far, far more people and destroyed more cities during the fire bombings earlier that year (Mar-April) yet the two a-bombing are the ones that still upset them the most.”

Same thing with Germany. “Nuke” is just a trigger word. Those folks in Dresden are just as dead as the ones in Hiroshima.


22 posted on 08/05/2007 8:05:56 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Steven Leeper is a liar, plain and simple.

And the author of this piece is engaged in highly questionable "journalism", because her very broad assertion about "most Japanese" has absolutely no supporting evidence.

It seems almost inevitable to find that she is a recent graduate Berkeley's journalism program.

23 posted on 08/05/2007 8:05:59 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: enraged

How theoretical nuclear weapons would be had they not been used in combat.


24 posted on 08/05/2007 8:06:01 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Brian Mosely

In the liberal mind one death caused by a nuclear bomb is worse than 100,000 killed by conventional bombing.


25 posted on 08/05/2007 8:07:00 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: enraged
This “journalist” recently graduated from Cal-Berkeley. Now it all makes sense.

http://journalism.berkeley.edu/students/resume.php?ID=197

26 posted on 08/05/2007 8:07:21 AM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: L98Fiero
Its anti-Americanism that excites the Left. If America had not dropped two atom bombs on Japan, they would blaming this country for something else. You can easily determine why these people take the positions they do. If the Russians had done it, do you suppose any one would care? There's your answer.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

27 posted on 08/05/2007 8:08:51 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: MNJohnnie

Imagine how many lives in Europe would have been saved if we had the A-bomb a year earlier?


28 posted on 08/05/2007 8:09:25 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: enraged
Leeper shares the view of most Japanese: that Japan had already lost the war and that the bombing of Hiroshima, and of Nagasaki three days later, was wrong and unnecessary.

"Everybody knows on the left and the right that Japan was finished at the time the bomb was dropped," Leeper said.

Bull! 'Everybody knew' the Japs were finished when we hit Okinawa too. Look what the (blank) occurred there.

Over 250,000 people lost their lives. Approximately 150,000 Okinawans, about a third of the population, perished. At the battle's end, somewhere between a third and half of all surviving civilians were wounded. No battle during the Second World War, except Stalingrad, had as massive a loss of civilian life. The stakes were high. The Japanese, determined to fight to the last man, almost achieved their objective, but in defeat 100,000 Japanese combatants died rather than surrender. In the end, fewer than 10,000 of General Mitsuri Ushijimas's Thirty-Second Army were taken prisoner.

United States loss of life was staggering as well. The United States Navy sustained the largest loss of ships in its history with thirty-six lost and 368 damaged. The Navy also sustained the largest loss of life in a single battle with almost 5,000 killed and an equal number wounded. At Okinawa, the United States Tenth Army would incur its greatest losses in any campaign against the Japanese. The Tenth Army, which initially was made up of 183,000 army, navy, and marine personnel. During those eighty-two days, the Tenth Army would lose 7,613 men and over 30,000 men would be evacuated from the front lines for a minimum of a week due to wounds. Moreover, the largest numbers of U.S. combat fatigue cases ever recorded would occur on Okinawa.

The invasion of the mainland would have been Okinawa 10x you moron.

29 posted on 08/05/2007 8:09:34 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: muawiyah

Guess these moonbats (including Miss Bussewitz) haven’t read the details of Operation Olympic/Operation Downfall, especially so soon after the bloodbaths at Okinawa and Iwo Jima.

The Americans anticipated so many casualties, every Purple Heart given out in every single conflict was actually made for the anticipated invasion of the Japanese home islands. Some 120K are still available, and some units in Afghanistand and Iraq have these on hand for immediate award.

http://hnn.us/articles/1801.html


30 posted on 08/05/2007 8:10:44 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: enraged
American forebearance, American goodness, and the fundamental American love of humanity were amply demonstrated in the rebuilding of Japan after its defeat. The Japanese know that, if Japan had defeated the United States, no such forebearance--and no such reconstruction--would have taken place.

It is easy to construct some alternative history long after the events.

Perhaps it would have been better to drop the first bomb on Mount Fuji, as a demonstration for the Japanese.

However, those who made the decision were under pressures that, as time passes, become less easy to understand, but they made the best and most benevolent decision that they could under the circumstances.

What future generations must remember is how horrible nuclear weapons are.

To remember this is a powerful force for peace and love.

For example: it prevented the Cold War from deteriorating into all-out war, and it finally ended it.

My father's wise, decent, and supremely benevolent brother--a highly successful man, in business and in every other phase of his life--once told me:

"Never forgo an advantage, but never press it unless absolutely necessary."

This is wise advice on a personal or an international level. In fact, this very principle guided American leaders in their behavior toward Japan.

31 posted on 08/05/2007 8:12:06 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("History is not just cruel. It is witty." ~Charles Krauthammer)
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To: OCCASparky

One of the first divisions to land on Kyushu was only projected to fight for three days. It was assumed after that they’d be all but destroyed.


32 posted on 08/05/2007 8:13:06 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: mainepatsfan

I wish the libs would read up on their history, especially when they start braying about 4000 men and women killed (not all by combat) in Iraq and Afghanistan. Look at the numbers for 82 days of fighting in Okinawa, or for the first 60 days after D-Day.

Nah, they’ll never get it.


33 posted on 08/05/2007 8:15:08 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: ExtremeUnction

Ah, Bezerkly. That fits.

Interesting screen name.


34 posted on 08/05/2007 8:15:37 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: goldstategop
I've been listening to the same crap ever since the War ended. Well, I love Truman's decision to drop those bombs.

Why?

One of my brothers was in the Pacific, cranking up his LST for the coming murderous invasion of the Japanese homeland; and both my other brother and I -- fresh from fighting one war in Europe -- were on orders to the Pacific to join in the fun.

So those gutless wonders who cry over whether or not dropping those wt bombs was necessary have nothing coming from me but utter contempt.

35 posted on 08/05/2007 8:16:08 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (If we were meant to never shoot thugs, God would not have given us trigger fingers.)
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To: OCCASparky

Heck a lot of them think we suffered more casualties in Vietnam than WWII.


36 posted on 08/05/2007 8:16:23 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: tennteacher
"And 'everyone' seems to have forgotten Pearl Harbor."

Yes, and "everyone" also seems to have forgotten just what led the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor.

37 posted on 08/05/2007 8:20:42 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: mainepatsfan
Most of the lives saved would of been those the modern political Left weeps loudest about now. The Jews, and other oppressed minorities, in the death camps who would of been liberated much earlier.

The Political Left really is the Hive of Hypocrisy.

38 posted on 08/05/2007 8:21:14 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("Todays (military's) task is three dimensional chess in the dark". General Rick Lynch in Baghdad)
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To: enraged

Still more proof that liberalism is a dark theology focused on America’s “sins”


39 posted on 08/05/2007 8:27:01 AM PDT by Phyllo
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To: mainepatsfan
What else can you expect from of a bunch of nerds who have been educated in the pujblic school system and/or Harvard/Yale/Berkeley and such like???
40 posted on 08/05/2007 8:30:42 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (If we were meant to never shoot thugs, God would not have given us trigger fingers.)
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To: jamaksin
Yes, and "everyone" also seems to have forgotten just what led the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor.

Tell us about it.

41 posted on 08/05/2007 8:35:34 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (If we were meant to never shoot thugs, God would not have given us trigger fingers.)
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To: Brian Mosely
Destroying every city in Japan was not considered that much of a serious problem (by the Japanese). However, the plutonium bomb meant we had a functioning reactor, and the uranium bomb meant we had extensive uranium enrichment facilities working ~ exactly as had been reported to them by their spy in Chicago a couple of years earlier.

Their own atom bomb program was bogged down inasmuch as their primary development facility in Harbin had "blown up" along with almost all their primary atomic scientists.

On the other hand the Japanese jet plane and long range bomber programs were not bogged down ~ they still had hopes.

The plutonium totally demoralized the guys at the top.

42 posted on 08/05/2007 8:35:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: snowsislander

The author apparently is also a liar. Even a cursory reading of her resume shows her ability to “shade” the truth.

To wit: She says she was a paralegal from 11/02 to July 2005. This appears to be a full-time job.

During the same time frame, she worked as an “intern’ and/or “reporter” for three news agencies, 5/02 to 9/04
I presume she was part-time.

Yet, her resume also shows she was in Berkeley, California in June of 2005 as an Intern at PBS.

How can this be when she supposedly was a paralegal in NYC until July of 2005?


43 posted on 08/05/2007 8:35:54 AM PDT by miele man (Continually voting against iodine deficient libs for 42 years)
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To: muawiyah

Thanks for posting this. I was not aware of this.


44 posted on 08/05/2007 8:36:51 AM PDT by miele man (Continually voting against iodine deficient libs for 42 years)
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To: mainepatsfan
BTW, no lives would have been saved in Europe due to the use of the atom bomb. After all, we did not yet have one.

On the other hand, we can see in retrospect that the entire European campaign, from the time of the first invasion at Oran, to the Battle of the Bulge, was absolutely unnecessary just as long as we had a bomber platform in Iceland.

The Third Reich could have been rolled up in a couple of weeks if we'd just waited until September 1945.

45 posted on 08/05/2007 8:38:22 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MNJohnnie
Japan, of course, was partitioned.

More than 10,000,000 Japanese were shipped to South America.

Disease was rampant.

The place was far from being a worldly manifestation of the Western Paradise for many years.

46 posted on 08/05/2007 8:41:26 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TheDon

Does Leeper condemn Japanese Imperialism and Nazi Imperialism (and Islamic Imperialism) or just American “Imperialism”?


47 posted on 08/05/2007 8:46:13 AM PDT by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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To: enraged
Hiroshima shikata ga nai. The atomic bomb was dropped before most of us were born.

The real question is, "will the world see nuclear weapons used again?". The magic 8-ball says, "Signs point to yes"...

48 posted on 08/05/2007 8:47:06 AM PDT by Gantz (Th4+'5 th3 +h30ry, 4nyw4yz.)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

True. If they believe that it’s really difficult to expect them to understand what an invasion of Japan would have looked like.


49 posted on 08/05/2007 8:47:09 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: muawiyah

I know which is why I wrote IF we had the bomb a year earlier.


50 posted on 08/05/2007 8:48:49 AM PDT by mainepatsfan
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