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The War in West Philadelphia (More Die of GSW in the US than in Iraq)
Washington Post ^ | 5 August 2007 | John P. Prior

Posted on 08/05/2007 11:43:52 AM PDT by shrinkermd

A good article written by a trauma surgeon comparing his Iraq experience with that of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Besides this there is this:

"...More young men are killed each day on the streets of America than on the worst days of carnage and loss in Iraq. There is a war at home raging every day, filling our trauma centers with so many wounded children that it sometimes makes Baghdad seem like a quiet city in Iowa.

"...Unlike the Iraq conflict, this war is not on the front pages of The Post or on CNN. You have heard of the Washington area sniper shootings and the massacre at Virginia Tech. I am sure you have not heard about the "Lex Street massacre," in which 10 people ages 15 to 56 were lined up and shot, execution-style, in the winter of 2000. Seven were killed, three critically injured.

"...You haven't heard about this tragedy because it happened to inner-city poor people in a crack house in Philadelphia. Imagine, for a moment, if this had occurred in a suburban shopping mall or if a Marine unit in Iraq had been involved. There would be shock, outrage, 24-hour news coverage, Senate hearings and a new color of ribbon to wear. That double standard, that triage of compassion and empathy, is why the war on the streets continues unabated.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: america; baghdad; banglist; gunshotdeaths; philadelphia; philly; rkba; stopsnitching
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Case in point: (1)More young, male Minnesotans died of GSW in a small area of Minneapolis (North Mpls) than soldiers from the entire state; (2)The Minneapolis Star and Tribune only lately has been referring to perpetrators by race and age; (3)Many, if not most, of those dead are either from Indiana, Chicago, Detroit or have mothers from those areas.
1 posted on 08/05/2007 11:43:57 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd

What is GSW?!


2 posted on 08/05/2007 11:49:18 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Sharpei diem -- Seize the wrinkled dog.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Gun Shot Wounds


3 posted on 08/05/2007 11:51:08 AM PDT by spokeshave (Hey GOP...NO money till border closed and criminal illegals deported)
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To: shrinkermd

We need more gun control, blah, blah, blah.


4 posted on 08/05/2007 11:52:19 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

My GUESS, from a quick search, is gunshot wound?


5 posted on 08/05/2007 11:53:10 AM PDT by Principled (Vaporize the "Divide and Conquer" taxes - Have everyone pay the same marginal rate!. NRST!)
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To: shrinkermd
"...You haven't heard about this tragedy because it happened to inner-city poor people in a crack house in Philadelphia

Of course, it also has nothing to do with those same North Philly denizens adhering to the ridiculous "Stop Snitchin'" campaign.

One of the reasons this crap keeps happening is no one has the testicular fortitude to actually help gt these scumbags of the streets.

6 posted on 08/05/2007 11:54:26 AM PDT by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: ozzymandus

We don’t need more gun control; we need gang control. That’s what the reference to “inner city” means. Gangs.


7 posted on 08/05/2007 11:54:41 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: spokeshave
Yeah....and I bet the journalists murder 2 days ago allegedly by those from Oaklands “Black Muslim Bakery” got widely reported..../sarc
8 posted on 08/05/2007 11:55:06 AM PDT by spokeshave (Hey GOP...NO money till border closed and criminal illegals deported)
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To: shrinkermd

I lived in Center City, Philly, near the Art Museum in 1969-70. Gunshots every night back then. Never got used to it.
There were places where I wouldn’t stop the car at a street light or red light. You “knew” if you did you wouldn’t be starting up again, and this was in the middle of the afternoon!!! Nighttime I didn’t even wanna think about!


9 posted on 08/05/2007 11:55:38 AM PDT by MrLee
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To: hsalaw

Membership in a gang is and has the same effect as being a member of a terrorist cell. They are domestic terrorists who should be hunted down unmercifully and eliminated.


10 posted on 08/05/2007 11:57:07 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: shrinkermd
What happened to midnight basketball? I thought it was supposed to stop this?

What we need is free libraries, public education, museums, low cost public housing, that will stop.....
Oh.
Yeah.
Um?
Gun control, that’s the ticket!

11 posted on 08/05/2007 11:57:41 AM PDT by Leisler (Just be glad your not getting all the Government you pay for.)
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To: Principled

Too lazy to type it out?


12 posted on 08/05/2007 11:58:34 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Sharpei diem -- Seize the wrinkled dog.)
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To: shrinkermd
Classic example of LIEberals who want it both ways.

The war in Iraq is the most horrible tragedy to befall America except maybe the 2nd Amendment or Global Warming or AIDS or name-the-topic-de-jour.

At the end of the day, it is just more emotional, subjective nitwittery.

Best regards,

13 posted on 08/05/2007 11:58:34 AM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: shrinkermd
Pull our troops out of Philly. The War on Gang Violence is lost, it's a quagmire, Bush's Fault... We need to redeploy our forces.

Bla-bla-bla...

14 posted on 08/05/2007 12:01:01 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Most people are smart enough to know what it means.


15 posted on 08/05/2007 12:01:19 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: hsalaw

I know that, and you know that, and any rational person knows that, but the MSM and the RATS will always use any crime story to propagandize for more gun control.


16 posted on 08/05/2007 12:02:43 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: shrinkermd

THANK YOU ..THANK YOU....FOR POSTING THIS ONE !!!!

I have been saying for a loooong time..we should have a weekley or daily running tally of those killed in the US by gunshot!

This gangsta stuff is what I have called “ Reverse darwinianism “!..we keep the most UNFIT alive with entitlements, etc.


17 posted on 08/05/2007 12:05:26 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (We need a troop surge in Philly and Newark!)
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To: Leisler

A good school lunch program would fix this.


18 posted on 08/05/2007 12:05:46 PM PDT by SIDENET (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: shrinkermd

Oh..btw.. the Libs will say our military didn’t ‘choose “to put themselves in this position. Yeesh.


19 posted on 08/05/2007 12:06:24 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (We need a troop surge in Philly and Newark!)
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To: shrinkermd

Little surprised washington compost is running this article. Wonder why?


20 posted on 08/05/2007 12:10:35 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: shield

Warming up for another push for gun confiscation.


21 posted on 08/05/2007 12:15:00 PM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: SIDENET
A good school lunch program would fix this.

Sheesh, while you're at it why don't you give them a free breakfast, too! Oh wait... nevermind.

22 posted on 08/05/2007 12:20:08 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

No doubt these inner city gentlemen will give up their guns if gun possession becomes illegal.


23 posted on 08/05/2007 12:26:07 PM PDT by MidlandDesperado (There is none so blind as they that won't see. Jonathan Swift.)
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To: shrinkermd

“...More young men are killed each day on the streets of America than on the worst days of carnage and loss in Iraq.
“.

I’ve often asked liberals why the outrage over military deaths while lip-servicing deaths due to crime.

Talk about speechless . . .


24 posted on 08/05/2007 12:27:47 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I suppose the jargon is familiar to some.... not me. I had to look it up - thinking it was a gastrointestinal malady!


25 posted on 08/05/2007 12:30:36 PM PDT by Principled (Vaporize the "Divide and Conquer" taxes - Have everyone pay the same marginal rate!. NRST!)
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To: hsalaw

I feel like I’m going to throw up when I hear about “inner city” violence, as if the “inner city” (i.e., the buildings, streets, sidewalks, trees, parks, etc.) committed the mayhem. Let’s knock off the denial and tell it like it is: it isn’t the “inner city” that’s turned vicious and violent; it’s the inner city’s current inhabitants.

I grew up in inner city Baltimore back in the 1960s, when you could walk almost anywhere night or day (except North Avenue) and enjoy every second of the inner city’s ambience. Now, those same neighborhoods that used to be safe, secure, and, yes, even friendly, are vicious, violent hell holes.

Same buildings. Same streets. Same sidewalks. Same parkes. many of the same trees. Etc. What changed is the inhabitants — and their cultural behaviorial patterns. Maybe it’s time for the inhabitants to get themselves under control and give us back the days when our “alabaster cities gleam(ed) undimmed by human tears.” Now, there’s a thought.

Okay, fire away denizens of denial and shameless race hustlers (but, first, try reading some of Professor James Q. Wilson’s highly erudite works, beginning with this one: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/10/words-of-wisdom-from-james-q-wilson-on.html


26 posted on 08/05/2007 12:35:04 PM PDT by lapster
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To: Malacoda

I like to read about the mafia, and one of the things you see over and over is the people who lived in the nieghborhoods would never turn on the local wiseguys.


27 posted on 08/05/2007 12:38:19 PM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: shrinkermd
"You haven't heard about this tragedy because it happened to inner-city poor people in a crack house in Philadelphia. Imagine, for a moment, if this had occurred in a suburban shopping mall or if a Marine unit in Iraq had been involved. There would be shock, outrage, 24-hour news coverage, Senate hearings and a new color of ribbon to wear. That double standard, that triage of compassion and empathy, is why the war on the streets continues unabated."

These kinds of stories are not given proper attention from the media because they are the reality that has been created by the Welfare state. They are the undeniable truth that Liberalism has not only failed many of those it was supposed to help, but is destroying this country piece by piece.

It's so much easier for the left who forced their agenda upon this nation to ignore the brutal violence they fostered, than to admit they were egregiously and tragically wrong.

28 posted on 08/05/2007 12:48:24 PM PDT by TAdams8591 ( Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: lapster
"Maybe it’s time for the inhabitants to get themselves under control and give us back the days when our “alabaster cities gleam(ed) undimmed by human tears.”

That's not going to happen until the Welfare state and the entitlement mentality is destroyed. It has become a "normalized" way of life for so many, that they lack the basic understanding of what "normal" life really is. Furthermore, they don't understand it is within their power to change it, let alone that it is their responsibility to do so.

29 posted on 08/05/2007 12:55:32 PM PDT by TAdams8591 ( Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: ozzymandus
O boy!

DOR the SPDJ because SPENF always QDPM and SPQR!! dammit.

Just saying.

30 posted on 08/05/2007 1:01:17 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: ozzymandus
O boy!

DOR the SPDJ because SPENF always QDPM and SPQR!! dammit.

Just saying.

31 posted on 08/05/2007 1:01:31 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: shrinkermd

That’s why I’m a firm believer of having state troopers on the 394 bridge in Stillwater shooting everybody with an Illinois or Indiana license plate. That way, more violence is prevented.


32 posted on 08/05/2007 1:03:24 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Trinidad&Tobago: Proof that a Muslim minority (5%pop) causes a majority of a country's problems.)
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To: TAdams8591

“That’s not going to happen until the Welfare state and the entitlement mentality is destroyed.”

Yeah, but there’s another problem. That culture of evil and violence is transmitted from generation to generation, and that is a cycle that has to be broken.

It’s hard to see how that can be done.


33 posted on 08/05/2007 1:11:51 PM PDT by dsc (There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. Edmund Burke)
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To: lapster

“Okay, fire away denizens of denial and shameless race hustlers”

No argument from me.

But denial and political correctness will keep us from doing anything about it.


34 posted on 08/05/2007 1:29:58 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: Malacoda
testicular fortitude

Hey, did you steal my phrase? I thought I was the only one that used that expression.

35 posted on 08/05/2007 1:32:09 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: Malacoda

it is the OJ force. Black politicians will not persecute blacks on the grand scale necessary to save the Black inner city culture.


36 posted on 08/05/2007 1:33:19 PM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Happiness is a down sleeping bag)
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To: SampleMan
I just remember it from good ol'Bobby "The Brain" Heenan...

:)

37 posted on 08/05/2007 2:23:29 PM PDT by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: bert

That’s true. The liberal justice system with wrist-slaps for felonies is everywhere now, but flourishes in its greatest glory in the big cities.


38 posted on 08/05/2007 2:32:53 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: ozzymandus

Most people are smart enough to keep dumbass comments like yours to themselves.


39 posted on 08/05/2007 2:40:51 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Sharpei diem -- Seize the wrinkled dog.)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Don’t you watch CSI?
GSW = gun shot wonds
GSR = gun shot residue
PBR = pabst blue ribbon


40 posted on 08/05/2007 2:47:34 PM PDT by Holicheese (Zap Razdowler Rules!)
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To: SIDENET

Maybe a new midnight basketball league!


41 posted on 08/05/2007 2:51:53 PM PDT by Holicheese (Zap Razdowler Rules!)
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To: shrinkermd

When reality doesn’t match up with ideology, you can change your ideology or you can change the subject.

Urban diversity acting the way it always does is one of those realities.


42 posted on 08/05/2007 3:18:26 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: shrinkermd

“...filling our trauma centers with so many wounded children...”

Gang-bangers are not children.

“Imagine, for a moment, if this had occurred in a suburban shopping mall...”

It didn’t, and it doesn’t. And with good reason; decades of liberal social programs, coupled with the self-serving amorality of the Baby Boomer, “me generation” have eroded the family unit, sent single-family rates skyrocketing, devastated educational standards, and sent crime rates through the roof.


43 posted on 08/05/2007 4:27:22 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

Gang Street Warfare


44 posted on 08/05/2007 5:32:30 PM PDT by Lexinom (http://www.gohunter08.com Don't let the press pick our candidates)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity

I think we both know who the dumbass is.


45 posted on 08/05/2007 5:38:08 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: shrinkermd

The brothers in the city of brotherly love are killing eachother.

Its a cultural thing and something politicians won’t touch.


46 posted on 08/05/2007 5:55:35 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Your home for pithy disquistion)
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To: Principled
I took a stab at Gang Street Wars. Either way, I don't wander into their turf LOL.
47 posted on 08/05/2007 5:56:30 PM PDT by IIntense (YOU)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Most people are smart enough to keep dumbass comments like yours to themselves.

I'll second that!

48 posted on 08/05/2007 6:00:08 PM PDT by IIntense (YOU)
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To: Lexinom

Sorry! I posted #47 before I read yours.


49 posted on 08/05/2007 6:54:06 PM PDT by IIntense (YOU)
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To: Valin
It isn’t wise to do so, because chances are extremely high someone in the local or county LEA would immediately report your tip directly to the perp.Along with your address and family history.
Call it in to the State or Feds?
ROTFLMAO!
If one wishes to actually survive to exit such an environment, one must keep their noses scrupulously clean, while cultivating a variety of usefull, albeit unsavory acquaintances.
That way, if required, you can merely mention to other criminal element(s) who is(are) the enemy of whichever criminal element is currently directly threatening you, that there exists an opportunity to “prove they can protect their own” serfs.

Most people are not very skilled at this game.
It is also not a game that can be played for long periods of time.
It would not be necessary for anyone in the USA to ever learn how to play this game, if we fought against government corruption as is our right and duty under the Constitution.

50 posted on 08/05/2007 7:03:02 PM PDT by sarasmom (Hunter-Thompson 2008 . It satisfies the senses on multidimensional levels .)
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