The parents don't look starved.
Posted on 08/05/2007 1:47:11 PM PDT by SandRat
A Scottsdale woman who severely malnourished her three children was sentenced to 30 years in prison, the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office announced Thursday.
----------- snip ---------------------
(Excerpt) Read more at fox11az.com ...
Throw away the key. Vegan or non-vegan, that's extreme child abuse
Is Vaginism like a veganism for lesbians?
The most shocking thing is even though it was obvious their children would die on this diet, they would rather those animals be alive than fed to the kids. Some set of priorities.
I just realized that this is a different set of Vegan parents from the one that starved their baby...
Listen, there is nothing in a vegan diet that should kill children. This is not a case of a vegan diet killing children, but of parental abuse killing children. I know LOTS of people whose children are being raised on a vegan diet and none of them are even unhealthy, much less malnourished.
None of these are the PETA maniacs, but are Seventh-day Adventists who follow a vegan diet.
The parents don't look starved.
You tell me, "Clam Digger"!
Veganism is a red herring. Excuse me, a red tofu patty.
It is possible to have a balanced vegan diet. But far too many vegans just cut out meat and dairy and don't compensate. Some are so extreme that the mothers give their newborns soy milk instead of the "animal products" from their own teat. I cannot count the levels on which that ain't right.
I have had balanced and delicious vegan meals. The key to it is to think of cooking in new ways -- forget about veggie burgers, tofu turkey, or tofu bacon. Start from scratch with a balance of starch, protein and fats, green leafies and vitamin-rich fruit.
It isn't what we're used to, and it's not for me -- you can have my burger when you pry it from my cold, dead hands on the gurney on the way to the ER -- but it can be done.
These "parents" didn't give their children a "strict vegan" diet. They gave their children a crap, starvation diet, probably rice with a side of rice and an appetizer of rice. Screw 'em. Put 'em under the jail.
LOL!
Justified or not, parents in this story, just like the other story about a dying baby I mentioned, clearly did what they believed as Vegan diet. The baby, for instance, was given soymilk. I’m aware that in many cultures Vegan diet is practiced. However, in those cultures, the knowledge about what’s good and bad about kids’ food is maintained, so they knew what kind of vegan food is good for babies/kid and what is not.
You are absolutely correct PinkDolphin. I know many people who have a vegan diet. They were extremely well nourished. This is just PLAIN and SIMPLE child neglect. DISGUSTING. These parents should have the same “diet” their children had............
Starved them. pure and simple.
I’ve never met an Adventist who is strictly vegan. most observe kashrut — or “kosher” — restrictions. No pork, no shellfish, no cheeseburgers, limited pizza options.
But your point is well-taken. A vegan diet isn’t necessarily deficient. The kids have been starved by a bad diet, not by a lack of meat, dairy, and whichever category eggs belong to. A simple diet of beans and rice — nothing could be simpler or cheaper — offers a decent balance, Throw in a glass of OJ at breakfast and a banana for dessert, and you have a pretty good balance.
I tend to suspect that the “parents” gave their kids a diet of cheap grue while they cashed their welfare checks for luxuries, and now they’re trying to cloak themselves in a cause to gain some support.
I’ve never met an Adventist who is strictly vegan. most observe kashrut — or “kosher” — restrictions. No pork, no shellfish, no cheeseburgers, limited pizza options.
But your point is well-taken. A vegan diet isn’t necessarily deficient. The kids have been starved by a bad diet, not by a lack of meat, dairy, and whichever category eggs belong to. A simple diet of beans and rice — nothing could be simpler or cheaper — offers a decent balance, Throw in a glass of OJ at breakfast and a banana for dessert, and you have a pretty good balance.
I tend to suspect that the “parents” gave their kids a diet of cheap grue while they cashed their welfare checks for luxuries, and now they’re trying to cloak themselves in a cause to gain some support.
Exactly.
I have a few friends and family members who are pretty much meat-free, and they're happy and healthy.
I'm pretty much a meat-for-every-meal kind of guy.
Maybe I'll live to be a hundred or get nailed by a bus tomorrow.
Bury me with a pork loin, or a rare slab of prime rib.
Thanks.
The local DA :”But we take great issue with comments made by the judge in this case that he may ask the State Board of Clemency to reduce this defendant’s prison sentence.”
_________________________
The judge wants to reduce the sentence? At least they won’t be conceiving children in jail.
Mrs VS
It would be a crime to waste good meat.
... by which I meant the pork loin or prime rib. Unless, um, not to get to personal, but just how tender are you?
At what point do you look at your child, who is WAY under the growth scale, and think it’s OK? Your STARVING child? There is something seriously wrong with these people. And I really wish there was a way to only feed them what their children got fed for the length of their prison stay.
I'm pretty lean, actually. It's my metabolism.
I eat twice as much as everybody around, but just don't gain the weight.
That said, with a good marinade and slow-cooking I might be tasty.
When I lived in Mountain View, CA I knew friends who were vegans and they went totally ballistic over this insanity. They couldn't believe that an infant was literally starved to death for all the wrong reasons, because for an infant they should be breast-fed at least six months to a year after birth.
I got an 8 y/0 that weights about that amount, he is also a very picky eater. Then on the other hand I got a 6 y/o that wights 72 lbs and he eats everything put in front of him.
We had some Vegeterian neighbors once... and their baby looked totally sick and skinny. They once allowed us to watch him for a few hours one day as they had a function to attend. That poor kid ate good when he was with us. LOL.. I think we may of saved his life by the way he ate. Anyhoo. they divorsed and moved off, but we did recieve one final picture of the kid when he was about 5 or 6, he was very small and skinny, but alive.
I’ve seen plenty of meat free that are plenty chunky.
Nutritional component aside...This is a straight forward calorie deficit...
Beans and rice would have taken care of it.
I wonder if anyone else (i.e., their schools) noticed these children were malnutritioned??????
She was vegan when she had her 2nd daughter. She breast fed..
Baby looked like the Michelin Man...
My mom always warned me to stay saw from strange vaginas I didn’t know well. Death by vaganism - who knew?
Admin Mod would you please change Vaganism to Veganism in the title? Thank you
Hahaha! What a difference a little letter makes, huh?
I agree. My friend’s 16 year old daughter has been a vegan for years and is not only at a healthy weight, but a tad fluffy.
Oh I have met MANY Adventists who were strictly vegan.
Most Adventists are not even vegetarians though.
I’ve never met an Adventist who mentioned kosher, although that helps simplify things to others, as Adventists don’t need to “keep kosher” and if an SDA is going to eat meat, they invariably would eat cheeseburgers! :D
It’s Biblically unclean meat they don’t eat, as you mention, pork, shellfish, etc
Fluffy. I like that. Ok y’all. I’m hereby “fluffy”
FluffyPinkDolphin
We’ll see how she enjoys the prison diet.
Beans and rice are good...and cheap.
It appears that the deficit in their lives is their so-called parents, and not their diet.
Parents are the ultimate causative agent here.
Lock them up and throw away the key.
We were vegans for 15 years and never ever did our children not have enough of all the nutrients. One even was overweight.
My mom always warned me to stay saw from strange vaginas
Wait a minute! You saw a WHAT???!!!
Of course, theologically speaking, adventists don't "keep kosher;" but it's a handy shorthand, since their criteria for which animals are "unclean" are very similar and derived from the same source.
It's simpler at the supermarket, too, since the Jews have taken the lead in getting products labeled to certify that they're free of such stuff. Adventists and Muslims don't need their own certifications -- if they stick with kosher goods, they're safe.
The other day, I happened upon a radio show with a couple of Messianic Jews talking about theology. One thing I found interesting was the root of the prohibition on the mixing of meat and dairy. Cooking a calf in its mother's milk was a common pagan fertility rite, so it was banned.
That expanded to a general prohibition n mixing meat and dairy, which probably made sense in an era when most cattle were held in small family herds, and there were decent odds that any milk used would in fact come from the calf's mother. But for present-day Messianic Jews, and I assume for Adventists, who base their practices directly on the Bible and not centuries of Talmudic interpretations, the cheeseburger ban does not apply.
When I was tiny, we had an Adventist family living next door. Their young children were raised as vegetarians, had never eaten meat, and probably hadn't yet had a lot of contact with folks who did.
One day, Mom was cooking on the grill -- we were living in Florida without air conditioning, so cooking outdoors as much as possible was not a luxury -- when the neighbor kids peered through the chain-link fence. "What're you cooking?" they asked. "Hot dogs," my mom replied.
The children ran back to the house screaming in horror. "Mommy! Mommy! They eat dogs!!!"
"You can live off it, but it tastes like ..."
It tastes really, really good, actually. Keep some minced onions, cayenne pepper, ground cumin, garlic powder, a few other assorted spices, red beans, black beans, kidney beans, black-eyed peas, brown rice -- all of which can be bough for pennies a meal, and will store darn near forever in well-sealed containers to keep the bugs out.
Fresh or canned beans cost more, but make the cooking time go faster. Fresh tomatoes and lime are cheap luxuries that add more flavor. Maybe a little lettuce an a pinch of cilantro. Wrap it in a tortilla, and that's one tasty burrito. If you're not of the vegan persuasion, add some strips of grilled beef or chicken and a little cheese, and I'm getting hungry just thinking about it.
Oatmeal for breakfast, a PBJ for linch, and a bean burrito for dinner -- throw in a couple of sides and some fruit or fruit juice, and you have a cheap and balanced vegan diet. It ain't that hard.
Take an organically-grown potato, cut it lengthwise, and fry it in canola oil. Strictly vegan, but not low-cal, and something kids are guaranteed to eat with relish ... more likely with ketchup. If you're looking to emulate McDonald's, sprinkle a little sugar water so you get that golden-brown color as the sugar caramelizes.
I've never heard of anyone criticizing fren ... erm, freedom fries as being deficient in calories. PETA and its quasi-medical sock-puppet, the "Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine," push the idea that a vegan diet has some kind of magical health benefit, but it doesn't. You need to think about what you eat, and maintain variety and balance, whether you include flesh in the mix or not.
/alcapone.jpg)
Alphonse Capone, dead at 48. An untold number of NYC punks tried and failed, Bugsy Moran tried and failed, even the Feds tried and failed to kill him.
What killed him? Syphilis. But only after it sentenced hum to years as a gibbering moron.
Remember, kids, nookie kills.
Yeah, you can't count on a server to know much about what's in the dish. I have friends with peanut allergies, which are a no-kidding-big-deal. Some folks have gone into anaphylactic shock from inhaling the dust from peanut shells tossed on the floor of a ball park.
They can't even set foot in a Thai restaurant, because even dishes that contain no whole nuts are likely to use peanut oil, or to have been prepared on the same surfaces and with the same utensils used on peanuts, and that's enough to trigger a very nasty reaction.
My only serious food allergy, and it isn't all that serious, is to bananas. I didn't develop that until I was in my 30s, and it broke my heart, because I really like bananas.
I had to say goodbye to banana pudding with 'nilla wafers on top, my grandma's banana-nut bread, and any fruit smoothie I don't make myself -- almost all of them include a whole banana, and slurping a banana in smoothie form is as close as you can get to just injecting it straight into a vein.
What do allergies have to do with religious practice? In both cases, a little bit is too much. And no one even thinks about whether fries could include beef tallow -- it's just potatoes and oil, right? -- or whether the same pots and tools are used for both. Those tiny things might not cross most folks' minds, but they're humongous if you believe they might endanger your soul or land you in the ER.
Ack!! No bananas. Just kill me now. ;O
Plenty of middle eastern food comes with a halal or kosher/halal label.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.