Posted on 08/06/2007 5:21:00 AM PDT by .cnI redruM
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“The stubborn existence of injustice reminds us that man is not God, while the demand for justice reminds us that we wish for the divine.”
That’s quite a thought. I love condensed statements like this one, there is really no way to argue against it. Athiests would try to argue an individual man is capable of justice without God, and they might be in rare cases, but man as in mankind will never be just. That is one thing mankind has proven over the years. Man has never been able to govern himself long term.
I liked your comment too.
Atheism is its own religion, held to and promoted with the fervor of the most ardent religionists.
If religion is to blame for the woes of the world, I’d like to see an explanation of savagery and cruelty of the atheistic regimes of the recent years.
The question has so often been asked of why there’s evil in the world. The question I’d like to see answered is; “If there’s no God, what’s the source of good in the world?”
That’s quite a thought. I love condensed statements like this one, there is really no way to argue against it. Athiests would try to argue an individual man is capable of justice without God, and they might be in rare cases, but man as in mankind will never be just. That is one thing mankind has proven over the years. Man has never been able to govern himself long term.
LOL So if injustice reminds us that man is not God, doesn't that also remind us that God does not exist? Or do you expect more out of Man than God?
Justice would ban rakes like Hitchens from the public square. It is not fair to me to have him yammering from my TV.
No, it does not logically follow.
I believe that C.S. Lewis, in his book, MERE CHRISTIANITY, gave excellent answers to every atheistic point in this article. I recommend Lewis’ book.
“LOL So if injustice reminds us that man is not God, doesn’t that also remind us that God does not exist? Or do you expect more out of Man than God?”
No and no.
Athiests love to say man can be moral or just without God, that might be true in theory, but is that true in reality? I think that is what the author is trying to say. No matter what man thinks - collectively he has not been just. The worst things that have happened to men have been done to them by other men. Animals don’t treat each other the evil ways man has. Man’s evil doesn’t disprove God IMO, it proves God allows man free will and that man more often than not chooses evil.
What is your evidence that God is just?
If God isn’t just isn’t that a contradiction? What is your evidence that God is just?
Edmund Burke said, with a view to the atheism of the French Revolution, that we cannot live justly and happily unless we live under "a power out of ourselves." By this he meant a power above us, transcendent over our wills and our choices. We must choose to live under a power that limits our choices.
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So this Omnipotent and Omniscient God allows evil men to kill, rape and plunder at will? If you let your dogs kill your neighbor aren't you just at guilty of murder as if you had done it yourself? Why should God not be guilty as well?
not only that, but the definition of “moral” and “just” becomes arbitrary. They are whatever I say they are because there is no standard higher than myself. Needless to say, that will lead to social chaos (as each person defends and pursues their personal definition of these concepts) or tyranny (when an individual or an elite decide that they will impose their definition on us). I vote for religion. As Voltaire said, if God did not exist we would have to invent him.
Atheists are fools.
So nothing can exist that isn't man? What is your point here?
I was paraphrasing the article that said that because Man isn't just he isn't God. I am glad that you disagree with that 'Logic' or lack of logic.
What complaint can a good atheist offer against evil, killing, raping and plundering? Why in the world would you expect a blind, indifferent, pitiless, godless universe to be moral and just? On your world view your accusations of injustice and evil make about as much sense as complaining about the value of the planck constant or the mass of an electron.
What is it that you are using to judge the brute facts of human behavior?
Cordially,
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