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Posted on 08/06/2007 5:45:15 PM PDT by Dada Orwell

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1 posted on 08/06/2007 5:45:17 PM PDT by Dada Orwell
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To: Dada Orwell

I lived in Az and its open carry.
Im now in Texas. I sure wish Texas was open carry.

My brother freaked out in Az “why is everyone wearing a gun” he said while deep in cougar and bear country L0L


2 posted on 08/06/2007 5:54:31 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Dada Orwell
Open Carry Incident
3 posted on 08/06/2007 5:58:33 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Dada Orwell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWXnK5UyRI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnewhampshireunderground%2Ecom%2Fforum%2Findex%2Ephp%3Ftopic%3D10019%2E45


4 posted on 08/06/2007 5:58:48 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Dada Orwell

Very interesting video. Good job knowing your rights and stating them in a respectful manner to the officers.


5 posted on 08/06/2007 6:01:31 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (Were those magic grits?)
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To: Dada Orwell

Good stuff.


6 posted on 08/06/2007 6:01:53 PM PDT by Eagles6
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To: mylife

My company had a meeting at a nice resort in Tuscon, one August several years ago. I happened to look out my door one day - there walked a mommy bobcat and her cub. I just looked, and looked around very carefully when I had to return to a meeting.


7 posted on 08/06/2007 6:02:06 PM PDT by mathluv (Never Forget!)
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To: Dada Orwell
Very good video and you are to be commended for the calm manner in your dealings with the local LEO's.
Unfortunately, the gentleman in the stripped shirt and name tag reminded me of a wacko lib with his baiting actions in this incident. He needs to calm down and stop with the wise-cracks. Its the same inciteful behavior the leftists use. Its does no good for the educational process you are attempting re:the open carry issue. Good Luck!
8 posted on 08/06/2007 6:02:13 PM PDT by Tainan (Talk is cheap. Silence is golden. All I got is brass...lotsa brass.)
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To: Dada Orwell

For a minute I thought open carry was the same as open container. I’d prefer those with open containers not open carry.


9 posted on 08/06/2007 6:02:41 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Dada Orwell

Unbelievable! the cops stop this guy. basically hold him hostage then cite him for blocking the flow of traffic when its the cops who created the blockage!


10 posted on 08/06/2007 6:05:31 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mathluv

I was tracking a cougar in AZ and saw the trail disappear.

On the way back I found the cougar had circled around me and had been tracking me.

Best to be armed in them mountains


11 posted on 08/06/2007 6:08:32 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Dada Orwell

Who is Warren Kanning?


12 posted on 08/06/2007 6:09:15 PM PDT by magslinger (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors. And miss. R.A.Heinlein)
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To: Veggie Todd
Considering the generally widespread and deep support here on FR for the "The Surge" in Iraq, and that things like that in support of US troops on the front line do tend to cost money, I wonder what most Freepers will think of this:

This is the fellow that, according to the T-shirt of the protestor/demonstrator in the video, should be "freed" in New Hampshire.

Just adding to the debate here.

13 posted on 08/06/2007 6:10:50 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Visit this thread 1-hour from now. In that time-an average of 416.6 more ILLEGALS will be in the USA)
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To: mylife

The only thing I have ever had to watch out for here in Texas is rattlesnakes. I am too much of a town girl.


14 posted on 08/06/2007 6:12:49 PM PDT by mathluv (Never Forget!)
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To: Dada Orwell

You handled that perfectly. The guy with the beard could learn from your behavior.


15 posted on 08/06/2007 6:13:53 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (A man who will not defend himself does not deserve to be defended by others.)
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To: mathluv

You must be in west TX.

Its copperheads and water Moccisans around this part of Tx


16 posted on 08/06/2007 6:14:22 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Dada Orwell

Great work!


17 posted on 08/06/2007 6:15:01 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: mylife

You are correct. I grew up in WTX, but I now live in ETX. They are still part of my formative existance.


18 posted on 08/06/2007 6:16:26 PM PDT by mathluv (Never Forget!)
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To: Dada Orwell

Nicely done!


19 posted on 08/06/2007 6:16:53 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Dada Orwell

THat was scary. I woulda been really nervous. The cops coulda snapped at any minute. They do that sometimes.


20 posted on 08/06/2007 6:17:28 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Dada Orwell

I have to laugh. Here in Tx I got pulled over on the way to the gun range for a seatbelt violation. There in the van were some AK 47s, a FN FAL,several pistols.

The cop never gave them a second glance.
She was only interested in the seatbelt violation.
Never even asked about the firearms


21 posted on 08/06/2007 6:19:12 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mamelukesabre

I had a copper that had me a gunpoint in CA in a case of mistaken identity.

I was not happy about the situation.
And this guy was way jumpy


22 posted on 08/06/2007 6:20:49 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: blam

2nd Amendment ping.


23 posted on 08/06/2007 6:21:36 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: mathluv

Im in NETX myself


24 posted on 08/06/2007 6:21:51 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Dada Orwell
your "friend" really does you and your cause a disservice. why intentionally try to escalate the situation. in my experience, police will know when they are dealing with a law-abiding citizen. those cops were professional and seems to me they might have simply apologized for wasting all 4 minutes of your time and moved on.

imho, broadcasting your interaction and having your buddies come over and begin yelling nonsensical insults made the situation what it eventually became. i support your cause. people like you should have legal guns, and criminals should not have illegal guns.

one other question: when you have your meetings in the bar, do you all open carry? do you all drink?

25 posted on 08/06/2007 6:24:30 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: Dada Orwell

In Mississippi the police will ask you all kinds of questions...

“How’s she shoot”?

“Can I see that”.

“How much did it cost you”?

“What kind of ammo does it like”?

“Do you think I could shoot it sometime”?

I do have a few police friends, however.

LLS


26 posted on 08/06/2007 6:29:49 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Dada Orwell
Good job educating the uninformed in uniform concerning the law.

I hope you don’t end up facing some adrenaline saturated badge jockey who decides your cell phone looks too much like a Glock and lets muscle memory take over.

The chance of an “accident” ending your career as an educator is real and should be considered seriously every time you belt on your holster.

Stay safe.

27 posted on 08/06/2007 6:30:27 PM PDT by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Dada Orwell

As a former cop. I would have arrested, after two warnings, the guy in the striped shirt for interfering with an officer. You will do better the leave him home.


28 posted on 08/06/2007 6:35:23 PM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: trussell

ping


29 posted on 08/06/2007 6:37:22 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: mylife
I got pulled over for eating a hamburger while riding my harley. At first I was grumpy asking him what the HECK! I was going slow and being careful, I just went through a drivethru. It was residential streets and no traffic. But I calmed down real fast when he put his hand on his gun. He got right up into my face and screamed at me. Then he gave me the whole BS nonsense with searching me and checking every little thing. I could have refused I think, but I didn’t want to get thrown down and beaten. He was that angry. I ended up with a ticket for running a stop sign. It was a total lie. I never ran a stopsign. I paid it anyway though. Didn’t feel like taking off work to go to court. There were no witnesses. It was a dark sidestreet. Only me and him. It was pretty scary.
30 posted on 08/06/2007 6:37:31 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

I hear ya. I was beaten up for kicks by a cop.

Mike Terlecki. He was one of James Trafficants foot soldiers when Trafficant was the Sherrif in Mahoning co.

Both those bastards are rotting in the federal pen now.

Bad cops rarely get out clean


31 posted on 08/06/2007 6:41:36 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
Im now in Texas. I sure wish Texas was open carry.

Michigan is Open Carry w/o license but Concealed/carry with permit.

The open carry is a very, very little known fact and thats why you will never see anyone openly carrying a firearm.........in fact I mentioned that to a friend who is a reserve police officer in Roseville and he was shocked. He had absolutely no idea that we have the legal right to openly carry a firearm........

That being the case, I'm not about to create a stir by exercising my right. I do have common sense......

32 posted on 08/06/2007 6:46:21 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (If your cat was big enough it would probably eat you)
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To: mylife

This cop was young and looked like a skinhead. When he got mad, he suddenly started talking with black ghetto slang, but he was about as white as you possibly can get. I was mortified. I kept looking at his uniform trying to decide if he was a real cop.


33 posted on 08/06/2007 6:49:49 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: EGPWS

Great video! Thank you for the ping :)


34 posted on 08/06/2007 6:52:48 PM PDT by trussell (Prayer is good for the soul)
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To: Hot Tabasco

I tend to agree. I would be very cautious around a jumpy cop.
I’d rather work it out in court


35 posted on 08/06/2007 6:53:56 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mamelukesabre

There are some pinheads out there.
Most cops are pretty cool, but some are in the wrong line of work.


36 posted on 08/06/2007 6:55:01 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: tiger-one
"As a former cop. I would have arrested, after two warnings, the guy in the striped shirt for interfering with an officer. You will do better the leave him home." Really that is an important point in the whole excercise. Cops stepping over the bounds of their authority because they can get away with it. While the guy in the striped shirt was not an articulate advocate his presence and the video kept the cops behaviour in check. \\\\ Image Hosted by ImageShack.us

37 posted on 08/06/2007 6:57:39 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Your home for pithy disquistion)
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To: Dada Orwell

I support the 2nd amendment as much as anyone. But in the game of real world politics, carrying as an attempt to “educate” I think is more likely to backfire and result in the end of open carry.


38 posted on 08/06/2007 7:01:28 PM PDT by narby
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To: Dada Orwell

Well, there was the proper amount of mustached cops on scene! Whew! Thank the Lord for that!


39 posted on 08/06/2007 7:01:48 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache (No one gets to their heaven without a fight)
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To: Dada Orwell
Excellent, excellent work.

I have long predicted the arrival of OnStar(TM) Roadside Legal Assistance with recording capabilities.

Your Porcupine 411 seems to have anticipated that service.

It should be made available to everyone.

Best regards,

40 posted on 08/06/2007 7:11:50 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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Excellent!

We just forwarded your video on to many others!


41 posted on 08/06/2007 7:14:12 PM PDT by NH Liberty ("For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus..." [1 Timothy 2:5])
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To: tiger-one
As a former cop. I would have arrested, after two warnings, the guy in the striped shirt for interfering with an officer. You will do better the leave him home.

Absolutely. He was behaving like a jerk.

42 posted on 08/06/2007 7:16:03 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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"But of course I look forward to the day when they don't make such stops in the first place."

You might not make it to that day. Look, I applaud what you're trying to do here, but don't you ever worry that some rookie will gun you before he has all the facts? I like pork chops, but I certainly wouldn't hang one from my nuts right before I walked through a pack of Rottweilers.

There has got to be a better way of educating the cops than this; not to mention the fact that they may be needed elsewhere while you're making your point.

Again, I applaud your stones, but WOW!

43 posted on 08/06/2007 7:17:12 PM PDT by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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To: School of Rational Thought

Bull. His presence could have gotten people killed. The guy in the striped shirt was just itching for an escalation, merely to make a point, and he was doing all he could to make the situation worse.

The guy carrying seemed calm, and ok, and rational.

Stripe shirt guy is a true liability. One day, he will do like the Libs, which is create an incident to whine about, in order to prove his point. That idiot will get somebody killed one day.

The arm waving in front of the one cop proved it. I would have loved to see the cop grab his arm, twist it behind his back, and snap it at the elbow.

And believe it or not, I generally don’t like the chips that many cops carry on their shoulders, and I support right to carry. I don’t support irrational idiots attempting to create the thing they don’t like, to justify their hostility. His shoulder-borne chip was much bigger than most cops.


44 posted on 08/06/2007 7:18:54 PM PDT by bluefish (I suffer from Hillaryphobia.)
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To: mylife
Unbelievable! the cops stop this guy. basically hold him hostage then cite him for blocking the flow of traffic when its the cops who created the blockage!

Barneys are the same all over, they all have the god complex.

45 posted on 08/06/2007 7:19:12 PM PDT by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: org.whodat

Oh we're gonna nip this thing! Nip it!

46 posted on 08/06/2007 7:21:56 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: thefactor
your "friend" really does you and your cause a disservice.

The "friend" was a jerk to be sure. Without a camera, it could have gone down like this in court:

Cop: As I was talking to his "friend" he got more and more belligerent and in my face. I remained calm and tried to diffuse his anger. At one point my kneecap started to itch and as I lifted my leg to scratch my knee, he violently forced his testicles down upon my kneecap. I arrested him for assaulting my leg.

Judge: Guilty!

47 posted on 08/06/2007 7:23:02 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: narby
I support the 2nd amendment as much as anyone. But in the game of real world politics, carrying as an attempt to “educate” I think is more likely to backfire and result in the end of open carry.

Sadly, this is no longer your Grandfather's world of pre-emptive surrender pattycakes. People DIE when they do not defend their liberties. Ask Mary Carpenter.

Virginia Citizens Defense League has undertaken a similar education campaign with great success and the example of these bold men have informed all of us of *a better way to do things*.

I salute them.

Best regards,

48 posted on 08/06/2007 7:23:15 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: School of Rational Thought
When Mr. Striped shirt, stepped in front of the Manchester Ofc. he would have his first warning, when he started talking the SP Ofc, about the way he was standing etc, would have been his last warning and anything after that he would have been cuffs. I have no problem with him talking to the bystanders.

The video kept nothing in check The guy was carrying was wrong when he said you don’t see this below the notches. He means an area here in NH about 2 plus hour drive from Manchester. It is not unusual to see open carry around the Concord area 15 miles from Manchester.

49 posted on 08/06/2007 7:28:49 PM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: tiger-one
As a former cop. I would have arrested, after two warnings, the guy in the striped shirt for interfering with an officer.

That must have been in the days before written CALEA standards.

In the interim, Public Safety Officers have learned not to inflame a situation by engaging in colleratal disputes with bystanders.

Perhaps I missed it, but none of the Officers gave any warnings to anyone,except possibly toward the end when the Officer objected to the camcorder, which was itself outside his authority since this all occurred on a public street in broad daylight.

Best regards,

50 posted on 08/06/2007 7:30:32 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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