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NH: Vid of my latest open carry incident
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Posted on 08/06/2007 5:45:15 PM PDT by Dada Orwell

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To: DaveLoneRanger

Not all cops are pro-gun. There’s certainly cops out there who think that only cops should be allowed to own or carry firearms, and in fact a NH State Trooper, as I recall, was quoted as saying “Your right to self-defense ends with calling 911.”

If that doesn’t curl your hair, nothing will.


151 posted on 08/07/2007 1:07:38 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; Dada Orwell

The guy in the striped shirt was a full-on idiot, no doubt. That guy needs some Valium.

I don’t have a problem with Dada Orwell’s approach. If we don’t exercise rights, they atrophy. There’s more to our rights, than just the open carry aspects of the 2nd at work here. There’s also the right to go about without police demanding “your papers, PLEASE!” whenever they feel like it, which is pretty much what was going on there.


152 posted on 08/07/2007 1:17:56 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The police are on our side, unless we’re out to commit a crime.

I just remembered, too, reading an article in some Massachusetts newspaper somewhere about a police chief in Boston - he was whining to the reporter about women "arming themselves to the teeth."

What were these women doing? They were applying to him for his lordly permission to carry seasoning - aka pepper spray - because there was a serial home-invasion rapist on the loose.

I felt then, and I still feel, that that police chief will burn in a far lower circle of hell than the rapist. He's sitting there with his department-issue Sig on his hip, complaining about women wanting permission from him to mount a feeble little means of defense against a brutal, violent criminal.

It made me f-ing sick. The rapist is a rapist, but that police chief is a rape enabler.

153 posted on 08/07/2007 1:18:49 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: mvpel

No wait, he’s right. You ou shoot (if there’s a threat to your life), you reload, and you call 911. That’s the order it goes, right?


154 posted on 08/07/2007 1:33:57 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Being normal is not neccessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage.")
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To: FreedomPoster

Yeah, but do you go around screaming profanities in the name of “exercising” your First Amendment rights?

As everyone here knows, I’m full-out in support of Second Amendment rights. I just think that we owe it to our law enforcement to be a good witness for concealed carry licensees.


155 posted on 08/07/2007 1:35:43 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Being normal is not neccessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage.")
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Are you referring to Russell’s righteous and loudly-proclaimed indignation at the unlawful detention of his friend?

Surely you don’t think peaceable open carry is to the Second Amendment to screaming profanities in public is to the First, right?


156 posted on 08/07/2007 1:44:38 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; Dada Orwell

I don’t agree with your analogy at all. Carrying holstered like that isn’t anything like screaming profanities. The analogy to screaming profanities, might be waving a gun in your hand around in the air.


157 posted on 08/07/2007 1:46:12 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster; mvpel

Perhaps it was a poor analogy. I was simply trying to compare it to some other form of rubbing other peoples’ faces in your right. When a cop asks you a question (he probably got a call from some spineless nail-biting lefty), instead of smirking that you’re not required to do that, why not cooperate with the authorities? Not only to show that you’re on their side, but to educate them (if need be) that you CAN legally carry.


158 posted on 08/07/2007 2:38:59 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Being normal is not neccessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage.")
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
The self proclaimed “expert” riders claim you don’t need to use the clutch to shift a modern motorcycle if you know what you are doing. Although I am one of those self proclaimed experts, you might say, I do not buy into this. I prefer to shift with the clutch. I don’t need any undue wear on shifter dogs.

The hamburger sack was balanced on my gas tank between my knees and partly pinched between one thigh and the gas tank. Whenever I needed to use the clutch I simply set the hamburger down on the sack and did so. Then pick it up again and take another bite. It’s far more easy than you would think. The trick is to only order “plain” hamburgers so there’s no risk of messes. No french fries obviously. and no drinks.

I used to keep a small water bottle wedged between my right handlebar and brake line and throttle cables and the additional assistance of a toy sized leather dog collar around it. On long rides I would set the throttle lock and take a sip when I needed to. Unfortunately the bike I have now doesn’t hold the bottle so tightly that way as my old bike did so I gave up that practice.

I do occasionally talk on a cell phone while riding, sometimes if traffic permits. But only if wearing something with a breast pocket. A flip type cell phone can be “set down” for an instant in your breast pocket, still in the unfolded position while you momentarily use the clutch, then picked up again easily because it is tall when not folded up and sticks out the top of your pocket. It only takes about 3/4 of a second if you are quick. Obviously you can’t do this if wearing a helmet or going along at highway speeds. The wind makes it too hard to hear.

And yes, I have dropped my phone a time or two and had to circle back around and pick it up. My technique for that is to ride slowly past and kick the phone to the side of the road, then circle back around again and pull over with flashers on to retrieve it. I suppose if I was a little nuts I might try to pick it up as I rode past without stopping, but I’m not quite that limber or nearly that insane.

btw, as far as I know, harleys are the only bikes you can put on both turnsignals at once...ie emergency flashers.

159 posted on 08/07/2007 4:52:24 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: tiger-one
I have done both before my LE days. I prefer a non multilevel retention holster.

I am certainly no fan of the crossdraw or the small-of-the-back holster as our New Hampshire posters seem to be.

But the distinction between concealed carry and open carry is essentially another political fiction We The People should not tolerate from our Government.

Anyone who "open carries" can cross the line to "concealed" either accidentally or deliberately with the addition of almost any type of foul weather gear-raincoat, ski parka, sweater.

Most people, given a choice, would prefer to carry concealed for the exact reason you name.

It was in the aftermath of the Civil War when fear spread across the land newly emancipated citizens might choose to exercise their newly granted sovereignty that laws defining a distinction between concealed carry and open carry became popular.

Over a century later, innocent Citizens in the 21st Century still pay for that little political clusterfoxtrot.

The basic principle at stake here is "innocent until proven guilty". Mere possession of a weapon does not in any way demonstrate malignant intent.

Prior restraint in the form of licensing, background checks, and possession laws are, and should be, UnConstitutional.

A few years ago pictures of young adults who were members of the Israeli Defense Force appeared all over the Internet. They were dressed in civilian clothes, were frequently in groups of two or three, and had their fully automatic platform rifles slung casually over a shoulder. The photographs included group shots in ice cream parlors, public pavilions and buses. It is quite a common sight in Israel and arouses no suspicion from the general public or tourists.

That is yesteryears America and I look forward to the day we return to that public attitude.

Best regards,

160 posted on 08/07/2007 7:20:16 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: narby
In a democracy, people lose their liberties when they irritate people or scare them.

Fortunately, we do not live in a Democracy, we live in a Representative Constitutional Republic which guarantees inalienable rights and protects against tyrannical usurpations-the cornerstone bulwark against such usurpations being the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

You will recall the definition of Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on the character of the evening meal.

The choice of the lamb, of course, would be to graze on the freely available praire grass,while the choice of the wolves is possibly a more compact and readily available form of protein based sustanance euphemistically referred to as tenderloin.

Such tyrannical Democratic government should not be tolerated among civilized people.

I eagerly await your YouTube video which will demonstrate the proper,elegant way to defend the right of the people to keep and bear arms

Best regards,

161 posted on 08/07/2007 7:32:54 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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To: mamelukesabre

Great stuff!


162 posted on 08/08/2007 5:11:56 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Scotsman will be Free; M Kehoe
I suggest that you leave it be, and announce that you are armed, where it is, and that you have a permit.

Certainly in VA and TX, direction from LE is leave the gun alone and show the permit.

Handling the firearm is expressly discouraged, for the reasons you cite.

163 posted on 08/08/2007 5:55:49 AM PDT by xsrdx (Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: mvpel

Police chiefs will be pro or anti whatever the mayor, governor or other appointing authority is. They serve at their pleasure, and are usually gutless whores.
The attitudes amongst the cops that do the police work vary. As the police forces get younger(compared to me), less are inclined to support citizens packing due to the brainwashing they have been receiving from the public schools, TV, etc.
Most cops of my generation had no problems with honest citizens packing. We chewed butts on occasion(citizen grabbing handgun out of glovebox to get to registration, for example)but most of my peers had no problems.


164 posted on 08/08/2007 6:09:28 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Perhaps it was a poor analogy. I was simply trying to compare it to some other form of rubbing other peoples’ faces in your right.

I think a better analogy would be the example of "Preacher Mike" - an evangelical Christian minister who, every weekday, exercised his freedom of speech by standing on a soapbox in the University of Michigan Diag and preaching his heart out to the passing student body, and debating with any Marx-soaked pseudo-intellectual philosophy major who dared to engage him.

He harmed no one, irritated others, and saved a few, and the police and campus officials couldn't do squat to silence him even though I'm sure many wanted to.

165 posted on 08/08/2007 6:10:36 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Scotsman will be Free; xsrdx
Ref 163, and 164. Especially post 164. Good point. In Florida the LEO's expect us to be armed (493,000 CCW). Even though, your's is good advice.

5.56mm

166 posted on 08/08/2007 6:17:57 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: tiger-one

In the state of Washington a state patrol sergeant and a trooper ended up arresting a guy who was audio recording them during a stop. It went to federal court, and they rightfully lost. I knew both of those officers, and liked them, but they were out to lunch.
When I worked, record away. Just don’t shove it in my face, interfere with my duties or invade my crime scene.


167 posted on 08/08/2007 6:18:21 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Recording works both ways...link the dash cams.


168 posted on 08/08/2007 9:13:13 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: tiger-one
Recording works both ways...link the dash cams.

Works for me. Every patrol car on the planet should have a dashcam with every on-scene car pointed toward the incident for as many camera angles as possible.

Best regards,

169 posted on 08/08/2007 8:42:49 PM PDT by Copernicus (Mary Carpenter Speaks About Gun Control http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=7CCB40F421ED4819)
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