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Is GOP Straying from Conservative Base?
Citizen Link ^ | 8-6-2007

Posted on 08/07/2007 3:53:12 AM PDT by monomaniac

As the Republican National Committee (RNC) wrapped up its four-day annual summer meeting in Minneapolis over the weekend, some leaders were left wondering if the party is straying from its conservative stance on social and religious issues.

"Evangelical and pro-life Catholics are a critical part of the GOP's electoral coalition," James Bopp Jr., an Indiana member of the RNC, told The Washington Times. "The GOP cannot win in 2008 without their enthusiastic support. It remains to be seen whether the GOP is moving away from them. Whether the GOP is doing so will be determined by who is nominated for president."

Most RNC members either swore they would not let the national party distance itself from religious and social conservatives stands or saw no indications of that happening.

"Not as long as I'm in this party," longtime Oklahoma RNC member Bunny Chambers told the newspaper.

Michigan Republican Chairman Saul Anuzis said the party is not drifting from its social conservatism.

"The religious Right and social conservatives are still a very big part of the party and will be for a long time to come," Anuzis said. "The Democrat policies clearly are antithetical to what religious and social conservatives believe in. The Left that controls the Democratic Party is very much pro-choice on abortion and anti-traditional marriage."


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1 posted on 08/07/2007 3:53:13 AM PDT by monomaniac
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To: monomaniac

Translation: Nominate Rudy and lose, nominate Fred and win.


2 posted on 08/07/2007 3:58:07 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: monomaniac

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1876968/posts


3 posted on 08/07/2007 3:59:53 AM PDT by IrishMike (As America wins, the Democrats and their apologists lose.)
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To: monomaniac

I already changed my affiliation due to the immigration fiasco. Maybe someday.....but for now call me “Independent”.


4 posted on 08/07/2007 4:00:33 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Once a conservative Republican; now only a conservative.)
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To: monomaniac

The religious and social conservatives are a relatively recent ‘pickup’ by the Republican Party.

Translation: General Election FAIL.


5 posted on 08/07/2007 4:05:20 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: monomaniac

Ya think?


6 posted on 08/07/2007 4:06:50 AM PDT by don-o (Do the RIGHT thing. Become a monthly donor. End Freepathons forever)
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To: monomaniac

“...would not let the national party distance itself from religious and social conservatives stands or saw no indications of that happening.”

In the current two party system, where are they going to go?


7 posted on 08/07/2007 4:09:23 AM PDT by dakine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Translation: Nominate Rudy and lose, nominate Fred and win.

I don't know about that, but one thing's for sure, the repub party has squandered it's conservative power.

8 posted on 08/07/2007 4:13:52 AM PDT by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: monomaniac
Where were the “Evangelical and pro-life Catholics” when Bill Clinton won - twice? Apparently either too unconcerned or too impotent to matter in the Clinton election.

Social issues will be even less important in this election cycle. This time around, it's "Security Stupid" ... making Rudy Giuliani very electable in the general election, and Fred Thompson less so.

9 posted on 08/07/2007 4:15:31 AM PDT by aligncare
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To: monomaniac

“Is GOP Straying from Conservative Base?”

Has been for a while now, to varying degrees.


10 posted on 08/07/2007 4:15:42 AM PDT by Grunthor (Why kill them with kindness when you can use an axe?)
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To: monomaniac

“The Democrat policies clearly are antithetical to what religious and social conservatives believe in.”

True, but faced with a choice of two abortionist, gay-loving, gun grabbers? I’ll sit it out.


11 posted on 08/07/2007 4:17:53 AM PDT by Grunthor (Why kill them with kindness when you can use an axe?)
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To: dakine

Some will go third party. Many will stay home, refusing to vote for someone of Rudy’s ilk on the social issues.


12 posted on 08/07/2007 4:19:15 AM PDT by Grunthor (Why kill them with kindness when you can use an axe?)
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To: monomaniac

Inquiring minds want to know how the Republican Party can move away from its base.

With out the base there is no Republican party.

These stories about movement this way or that is no better than those anyone would find about Republicans in The New York Times, The Nation, The New Republic or the LAT.

In fact, many of these stories are nothing more than planted falsehoods by the kook fringe, with an agenda of trying to discourage Conservatives.

I claim to be conservative in thought and I claim to be a Republican for now.

The only way the Republican Party is going to move anywhere is if I stand idly by and let the current smucks calling themselves leaders make all the decisions with out my thunderous contribution.

The quandary with the Republican Party is that we in the base got complacent about who we let run the party.

Sorry Democrats but the Republican Party belongs to the base unlike the Democrats who belong to the Far Left Fringe.

Just the lowly opinion of a red state wannabe.


13 posted on 08/07/2007 4:20:04 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: monomaniac

National R.N.C. headed by my P.O.S. Florida senator mel martinez who pushed for the amnesty bill.
Yeah the r.n.c. is turning away from its conservative base.
I refuse to give them a penny.


14 posted on 08/07/2007 4:20:23 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Translation: Nominate Rudy and lose, nominate Fred and win.

The "social conservatives" and "values voters" enthusiastically supported George Bush, simply because he met their two sole and exclusive criteria: no abortion, and allegedly "born again."

I hope we can find some more relevant and expansive criteria for 2008.

15 posted on 08/07/2007 4:58:43 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Grunthor
Some will go third party. Many will stay home, refusing to vote for someone of Rudy’s ilk on the social issues.

I won't blames them for voting 3rd party, but those who plan to stay home or "sit it out" are despicable. If the Rats claimed they were "born again" they'd vote Rat (Jimmy Carter anyone?).

16 posted on 08/07/2007 5:02:52 AM PDT by angkor
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To: OKIEDOC
In fact, many of these stories are nothing more than planted falsehoods by the kook fringe, with an agenda of trying to discourage Conservatives.

Don't give the liberals too much credit. They, with a few exceptions, are not that smart. Most of the stories are wishful thinking stretched to fit their perception of an America yearning for a return of the glory days of Democratic leadership. We saw the same self-deluding hopefulness here last fall when people grasped every small encouraging sign as a denial of what was really happening.

What you see is the rough-and-tumble process of the party reforming itself. It is choosing what is important and what can be put on the shelf for another day. The process is messy, even brutal, but in the end it will come out with a vision of America as it should be for the next eight years. Some will be disappointed and we will lose some people but in the end we will have a general consensus of the issues the base thinks important.

Look at the issues in Presidential campaigns over the last fifty years and you will see some that flare and die out, some that are modified and some that are basic throughout. In 1968 the war was overriding but Ladybird's campaign to rid the Interstates of billboards hit bitter resistance from conservatives. Now I doubt that you could find more that a few who want billboards returned. A dozen years ago you would have been tossed overboard because, judging from your writing, you support food assistance for the needy. Welfare reform was a hot topic and zealots were rampant.

Last year at this time the common wisdom was that the Democrats had to make a good showing or they were Gone With the Whigs. This year the contentiousness and rancor are unusually sharp but I think that it is a good sign. Conservatives are none too happy with the record of this administration but they have flexed their newly found internet muscle thrice and been successful. The Swiftboat Vets, the Miers nomination and immigration reform all show the power of the grassroots. There is a disconnect on policy and practice but that is being ironed out now.

Interesting times.

17 posted on 08/07/2007 5:08:02 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: angkor
You may be right, but to many Evangelicals, 'born again' translated to them (us) that this person was of strong moral, fiscal character & would adhere to principled decisions and govern accordingly.

Obviously now we find we were wrong on many levels concerning our perception of who we were voting into office.

We will be more astute, discerning and hopefully wiser next time, Lord willing.

18 posted on 08/07/2007 5:11:57 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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To: angkor

Okay ... I’ll go ahead and blame them if a ‘rat’s elected. RINO: a political devotee who calls himself “Republican”, but then votes Third party or votes his “conscience” instead of voting “Republican”; thus contributing to the election of said ‘rat. That’s a Republican In Name Only.


19 posted on 08/07/2007 5:14:24 AM PDT by aligncare
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To: dakine

“In the current two party system, where are they going to go?”

They don’t have to go anywhere. They can just sit on the couch and watch 2 repugnant choices duke it out.

If the conservative grassroots withhold donations & support, the GOP will be steamrolled by the democrats. Just like in the last election.


20 posted on 08/07/2007 5:15:13 AM PDT by FreeInWV
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To: monomaniac
...some leaders were left wondering if the party is straying from its conservative stance on social and religious issues.

It takes these guy FOREVER to get a clue.

21 posted on 08/07/2007 5:16:24 AM PDT by PrepareToLeave (Fight on Christian soldiers!)
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To: dakine

Go third party and watch the Rockefeller Republicans implode.


22 posted on 08/07/2007 5:18:12 AM PDT by Hydroshock ("The Constitution should be taken like mountain whiskey -- undiluted and untaxed." - Sam Ervin)
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To: Rapscallion

You need to get back in to support Duncan Hunter.

He wrote the border fence bill & has been fighting to defend our military and border patrol. He is consistent on the issues and the RINOS don’t like him.

www.gohunter08.com


23 posted on 08/07/2007 5:18:38 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue-it is the business of all humanity.)
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To: dakine

They are ignoring the base, and strewing rose pedals along Hillary’s path.

Go DUNCAN Hunter!


24 posted on 08/07/2007 5:20:13 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue-it is the business of all humanity.)
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To: monomaniac
As the Republican National Committee (RNC) wrapped up its four-day annual summer meeting in Minneapolis over the weekend, some leaders were left wondering if the party is straying from its conservative stance on social and religious issues.

Boy these guys are sharp. Wicked sharp I tell you!

If you see one, remind him to keep breathing, he might forget. Just a safety precaution for those 'special' ones among us.

25 posted on 08/07/2007 5:21:34 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Sworn to oppose control freaks, foreign and domestic.)
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To: aligncare

I won’t vote for a big government liberal, I don’t care what he wants to call himself.


26 posted on 08/07/2007 5:23:52 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Sworn to oppose control freaks, foreign and domestic.)
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To: aligncare

Well, Ross Perot managed to convince alot of people he was fiscally conservative.

After all, he bilked the taxpayers out of a billion dollars. Since he successfully worked the system, he knew how to fix it. Or so he said..

Conservatives either stayed home or held their noses and voted for Dole the 2nd time around. Either way, even though he was a hero, his policies were weak. So, alot of conservatives, dem and Rep., saw nothing to get excited over.

Bush won both times by promising conservative judges and assuring the base he was prolife and would not endorse gay marriage.

If the RNC puts up another lukewarm candidate, they will ensure a dem win.


27 posted on 08/07/2007 5:26:43 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue-it is the business of all humanity.)
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To: monomaniac

I see two possible courses of action brewing in the RNC:

1. Shift further left and hope to garner more of the liberals and soft conservatives. Won’t work - as we have seen in the past.They will alienate the conservative/Christian base.

2. Return to the base and stand up for conservatism - both fiscal and social.

As I see it, the only viable option is #2. If the Republican party moves away from the conservative Christian base, then they will not win another major election.


28 posted on 08/07/2007 5:27:35 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: monomaniac

The GOP left it’s conservative base back in 1997 for BIG MONEY DONORS after the Christian Coalition was sued and Jim Nicholson called the Council of Conservative Citizens RACISTS.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1829933/posts?page=27#27

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1829933/posts?page=28#28

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1829933/posts?page=30#30

QUOTE from

‘’A member of the party of Lincoln should not belong to such an organization [Council of Conservative Citizens],’’ said the chairman, Jim Nicholson, FORMER Secretary of Veterans Affairs as of 10/2007.


29 posted on 08/07/2007 5:28:52 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: OKIEDOC

Exactly, and it’s gonna happen again if conservatives don’t get it in gear and fight for a conservative who knows how to defend the country.

Go DUNCAN HUNTER.


30 posted on 08/07/2007 5:30:05 AM PDT by fetal heart beats by 21st day (Defending human life is not a federalist issue-it is the business of all humanity.)
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To: aligncare
I tend to agree with your conclusion.

When the ideologues on the right are offset by the ideologues on the left, what remains is a very pragmatic electorate.

31 posted on 08/07/2007 5:30:18 AM PDT by verity (Muhammed and Harry Reid are Dirt Bags)
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To: aligncare

In an election of personality (imagine Rudi vs. Hillary), the vote could actually be quite close. In that scenario, EVERY vote will be important.

And I refuse to vote for Rudi. I am not alone. I will vote for ANYONE on the ballot but those two names....just to vote against them.


32 posted on 08/07/2007 5:30:26 AM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: aligncare

Just curious. Would you consider Arlen Specter a RINO or an admirable Republican who is doing his part supporting the big tent of the GOP?


33 posted on 08/07/2007 5:31:30 AM PDT by FreeInWV
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>Translation: Nominate Rudy and lose, nominate Fred and win.<

Edit: Nominate anybody but Duncan Hunter and we all lose.


34 posted on 08/07/2007 5:48:09 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: Grunthor
True, but faced with a choice of two abortionist, gay-loving, gun grabbers? I’ll sit it out.

Words of true patriot.

You might consider supporting a third party.

35 posted on 08/07/2007 5:56:51 AM PDT by angkor
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Vet. Let me be more specific:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1877244/posts?=8x8 :)


36 posted on 08/07/2007 5:57:20 AM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: FreeInWV

While I am often frustrated with RINO’s I have a question. Who do you think would get elected in Pennsylvania if Arlen Spectre wasn’t. We need to realize that until we change the minds of the majority in Pennsylvania a RINO is the best we can do. We need to continue to advance conservatives in the primary and then take the best we can get in the general.


37 posted on 08/07/2007 6:00:20 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: monomaniac

The Republicans strayed from the Conservatives years ago.


38 posted on 08/07/2007 6:00:43 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: don-o

That horse not only left the barn, it’s clear over in the next county.


39 posted on 08/07/2007 6:02:46 AM PDT by DManA
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To: FreeInWV
If the conservative grassroots withhold donations & support, the GOP will be steamrolled by the democrats. Just like in the last election.

While I also get disgusted with the RNC, and vow to withhold my vote it they continue their ongoing drift, I'd really like to see the emergence of a conservative party.

Actually I'd vote for the Newt Party. even knowing (actually enjoying) that his "baggage" will exclude a certain group of "personal and private relationship monitoring conservatives" who will not see him as their savior.

40 posted on 08/07/2007 6:04:31 AM PDT by angkor
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To: monomaniac
Is GOP Straying from Conservative Base?

No!

The GOP has been sprinting away from its conservative base for some time now.

Lack of border security, the drugs-for-old-people program and Americas taxpayer's dollars being wasted as if Congress were a bunch of drunken sailors on leave might have something to do with the current unrest in the ranks.

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(The above comment was not intended to offend any drunken sailor.)

41 posted on 08/07/2007 6:09:31 AM PDT by MamaTexan (~ Government can make no law contrary to the Law that created the government ~)
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To: aligncare
a political devotee who calls himself “Republican”, but then votes Third party or votes his “conscience” instead of voting “Republican”

The issue is really "conservative" and not "Republican". The RNC shows an increasing drift away from conservative values, and I'm more and more perplexed about what a "Republican" actually believes.

By "conservative values" I DO NOT mean abortion. It's important to say that, because there's zero correlation between "conservative" and "abortion", although the "abortion voters" would like us to believe otherwise. There's a whole cabal of them that would be as happy as Rats as Republcans, because they have one and only one issue, and they;ll vote for whomever accomodates that issue.

So instead I mean actually conservative issues like fiscal sanity, sound foreign policy, IMMMIGRATION and protecting the borders, a belief in the Constitution (CFR), etc. Those are several areas where the RNC has completely lost its way.

42 posted on 08/07/2007 6:14:18 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Rapscallion
So I guess that means you decided that trying to pull the Republican Party back towards its conservative roots is someone else's problem?

How do you expect for us to change the path of the Republican Party if our conservative members just quit the party when things don't go their way?

If you don't like the path that the Republican Party is taking, then it is vital that you vote in primary elections and show more conservative candidates that they have support.

Threatening to leave or leaving the party has little to no effect on the RINO party leadership. If anything it strengthens their power over the party as is saps the strength from conservatives in the party.

SO tell me why should I consider an "Independent" to be something other than someone who has decided it is someone else's problem to fix things. Why is it different than someone who complains about things but can't be bothered to actually go and vote?

43 posted on 08/07/2007 6:32:03 AM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: Paperdoll

I hate to say this (again) but ping me when Congressman Duncan Hunter reaches 3% in the polls (any major poll will do). I’m not holding my breath here...


44 posted on 08/07/2007 6:37:32 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: monomaniac
"The religious Right and social conservatives are still a very big part of the party and will be for a long time to come," Anuzis said.

Then, Anuzis and others better be working hard to defeat Guiliani.

45 posted on 08/07/2007 6:43:50 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: dakine
In the current two party system, where are they going to go?

They would simply stay home. Meanwhile, the Democrats would stay picking up seats in the south in Congress as they continue to run socially conservative candidates.

46 posted on 08/07/2007 6:46:11 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: angkor
The "social conservatives" and "values voters" enthusiastically supported George Bush, simply because he met their two sole and exclusive criteria: no abortion, and allegedly "born again."

No, judges would be a big part of the criterion as well. And, that ONLY lasting and positive thing to come out of the Bush administration is strict Constitutionalists on SCOTUS.

Anyone not thinking that the nomination of judges isn't as important as any issue is a fool as is anyone that would trust a RINO like Guiliani to nominate such judges.

47 posted on 08/07/2007 6:52:36 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: ovrtaxt
I won’t vote for a big government liberal

I agree Giuliani, who left New York City with the second largest debt in the nation, is unacceptable.

48 posted on 08/07/2007 6:54:19 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: aligncare
No, A RINO is someone that votes for a liberal Republican and pretends he or she is advancing the conservative cause.

In case you missed it, it was RINO Republicans spending money and expanding government from 2000 to 2006. It has been RINO Republicans teaming with Democrats to push through amnesty bills for illegals. RINOS joined Democrats in trying to block strict Constitutionalist jurists to the courts.

The ONLY way conservativism is to progress is for conservatives to vote for conservatives.

49 posted on 08/07/2007 6:59:19 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: untrained skeptic
Threatening to leave or leaving the party has little to no effect on the RINO party leadership.

But, allowing RINOs to be voted out of office does.

The only solution to the problem is conservatives to weed out the RINOs and elect true believers in conservatism.

50 posted on 08/07/2007 7:02:02 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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