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Rich Suburbs Move to Democrats
RCP ^ | 8/7/2007 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 08/07/2007 6:09:55 AM PDT by oblomov

GREENWICH, Conn. -- You know you're in a different kind of town when the signs against drunk driving show a line drawn through a Martini glass to which the artist thoughtfully added a stirrer. Greenwich, Conn., is one such town.

Greenwich is home to billionaire hedge-fund managers, private-equity kings and corporate chieftains, as well as ordinary multi-multimillionaires. Interviewing people here requires leaving phone messages with au pairs and catching folks between board meetings.

You'd think that Greenwich would be solid Bush-loving turf -- what with all those tax cuts for the rich. It is not. The voters are roughly 40 percent Republican, 40 percent unaffiliated and only 20 percent Democratic, but Bush won the town by only a sliver in 2004, even though his father grew up here.

The political shift toward Democrats has been noted in wealthy suburbs from Seattle to Philadelphia. In 2006, an amazing 63 percent of voters making from $150,000 to $200,000 chose Democratic candidates. Even those making over $200,000 favored Democrats, albeit by a small margin.

Greenwich has also become an incubator for liberal candidates. Local businessman Ned Lamont became the bloggers' hero last year for nearly unseating Iraq-war cheerleader Joe Lieberman in a Senate race.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: bluezone; bourgeious; democrats; elitism; gop; greenwich; harrop; liberals; rats; snobbery; suburbia; suburbs; usefulidiots; wealth
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In the rotten boroughs of New England, the wealthy recognize the fact that it is now easier to generate "wealth" through legislation than by operating a business subject to the whims of a free people.

One more signal of the terminal decline of our sometime republic.

1 posted on 08/07/2007 6:09:56 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: oblomov
Greenwich,CT

I lived in Greenwich, on the OTHER side of the tracks, for 4 years. It's the kind of town that will call the police if a black person is seen crossing the street.

2 posted on 08/07/2007 6:12:09 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: oblomov
The very wealthy are liberal. Think George Soros, Warren Buffett and Steve Jobs. Today its a safe bet any one with lots of money is likely to vote Democrat. In the old days, the reverse was true.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 08/07/2007 6:13:39 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: oblomov

There isn’t a shortage of hyper-liberals among rich elistists especially in New England.


4 posted on 08/07/2007 6:15:18 AM PDT by SolidWood (UN delenda est.)
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To: goldstategop

Many of those who have “easy money” are liberal...heirs, dot-com millionaires, high-ranking bureaucrats.

It makes them feel better about not working for a living.


5 posted on 08/07/2007 6:17:04 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Without the Media, the Left and Islamofacists are Nothing.)
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To: oblomov

Wasn’t it Jimmy Carter who, on the night he was elected, stood on the stage and laughed at those who voted for him, saying “They have no idea we’re about to tax the **** out of them.” ??? I suspect that line will be quoted yet again.


6 posted on 08/07/2007 6:17:24 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: goldstategop
Why the rich would want to vote Dem is beyond me. The Dem's consistently want to raise the percentage of their taxes and make is harder on corporate America.

Besides, I'm hearing that liberals are moving to Canada. Maybe some are getting out before Edwards takes "it away by force from them".

7 posted on 08/07/2007 6:17:31 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: SolidWood
The Country Club Republicans used to be Rockefeller Wing Republicans. Their children have abandoned the GOP for the Democrats.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 08/07/2007 6:17:37 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

And in the old days, Democrat stood for helping the people and looking out for their interests and Republican meant help the fat cats.

Today Democrat is a synonym for the Communism that failed in Russia and to be Republican is to watch the weather vane and turn whichever way it points.


9 posted on 08/07/2007 6:18:15 AM PDT by RoadTest (You don’t make the poor richer by making the rich poorer.” —Winston Churchill)
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To: sr4402
The rich don't work for a living, stupid. All their money is invested. And that money is NOT subject to taxation. Higher taxes are not going to affect them and if they are its of marginal importance. So they can vote Democrat in the knowledge the Democrats will NEVER tax their income.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 08/07/2007 6:19:59 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
I really think the whole electorate has been moved left by a constant barrage of liberal propoganda which goes largely unanswered. Republicans usually apologetically claim they are trying to accomplish the same things as liberals.

You can cite statistics demonstrating that Americans say they are conservative, but my friends, in the America of not long ago the likes of Al Gore and John Kerry would have fared the same as George McGovern.

11 posted on 08/07/2007 6:20:05 AM PDT by Williams
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To: goldstategop

I am trying to become rich, and it ain’t gonna make me a Democrat. I think really, you are what you are, regardless.


12 posted on 08/07/2007 6:21:54 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred's Campaign: A hell of an opening, coast for a while, and then have a hell of a close.)
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To: Williams
Yes, the Republicans are seen as Democrat Lite. So why not vote for the genuine article? The only thing that makes the GOP competitive are cultural as opposed to economic issues. And there are wealthy people who look down on socially conservative people as a bunch of Elmer Gantry country rednecks.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

13 posted on 08/07/2007 6:23:01 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: oblomov
I've always thought that the natural constituency of the Republican party is the middle class, people like my parents who grew up during the Depression, served in the war, worked hard all their lives to build a future for their children, played by the rules and lived honest, moral lives. These are the bedrock of our society, providing the social and political stability necessary for a growing economy and a viable representative democracy. They instilled these values in their progeny and we neither seek handouts nor expect something for nothing.

That said, it puzzles me to no end why a party whose natural constituency is this demographic would implement policies (globalist economics, open borders, expanded government) that are harmful to it. One can't undercut the well-being of one's supporters and expect their continued support. That only sows the seeds of discontent and eventual revolution.

14 posted on 08/07/2007 6:26:07 AM PDT by chimera
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To: oblomov

Nothing new here. Greenwich is Hollywood without the coke.

(Mr O, it’s not like you to be up this early!)


15 posted on 08/07/2007 6:27:49 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: All

A liberal immediate family member told me once “Even you” referring to me “don’t have the money to be a Republican”.

Frankly I don’t have the money to be a Democrat either. Between tax increases out the wahzoo and this Private Jet Progressive crowd demonstrated here.


16 posted on 08/07/2007 6:28:06 AM PDT by Sir Hailstone (Graduate of Archie Bunker's School of Conservatism [http://digitalfarmers.blogspot.com])
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To: oblomov

There is a guilt complex abouot making it rich in this country which is silly and wrong. But IF you inherited your riches, you have no firckin’ clue how to make money. Teddy, has no idea how to earn an honest dollar. For that matter neither do Bill Clinton or Jesse Jackson, although they didn’t inherit their money. John Kerry doesn’t have a clue either. People who know how to make money shouldn’t feel guilty about it. They are helping others by providing jobs and opportunites and economic growth. Those who only know how to take from others and give to the needy are of questionable value to our way of life.


17 posted on 08/07/2007 6:28:17 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: goldstategop
The rich don't work for a living, stupid. All their money is invested. And that money is NOT subject to taxation.

The nomenklatura in Hollyweird and (tragically) Wall Street are the biggest supporters of the 'vanguard of the proletariat'. As we will see when we compare the sources of donations to the Hildabeast campaign vs. the Republican nominee.

18 posted on 08/07/2007 6:29:56 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: aculeus

>(Mr O, it’s not like you to be up this early!)

I’m typing from bed!


19 posted on 08/07/2007 6:32:33 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: oblomov
I’m typing from bed!

I am relieved.

20 posted on 08/07/2007 6:34:46 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: oblomov

Many of the very wealthy feel guilty about it. They assuage their guilt by giving to the poor.

But you don’t get rich by giving money away...so they assuage their guilt by voting democrat, and giving OTHER PEOPLE’S MONEY to the poor.


21 posted on 08/07/2007 6:36:41 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I'm agnostic on evolution, but sit ups are from Hell!)
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To: oblomov

I have to remind democrats who say republicans are the party of the rich.. that actually most of the super rich are Democrats.

Also when Democrats are in power the stock market tends to rocket up. A company with a guarunteed government contract with set profit margin is much more profitable then a company fighting to the death with other companies on a free market.

If the unions demand more wages our regulated monopoly company simply increases the price to reflect the increased costs, + adds some more profit.


22 posted on 08/07/2007 6:37:35 AM PDT by ran20
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To: Mr Rogers
Under socialism, they won't get hurt. They still get to keep everything. Even better, all their lessers get put firmly down. So when they hear the Democrats bash the rich, they know its for show. The last thing the Democrats will do is turn on their benefactors who contribute lavishly to their campaigns. So their interests are protected.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

23 posted on 08/07/2007 6:41:14 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SolidWood

A lot of rich want socialism to be imposed on the peons since it will eliminate competition, after all, they’ve already got theirs, they want to make it impossible for others.


24 posted on 08/07/2007 6:41:54 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: goldstategop
Today its a safe bet any one with lots of money is likely to vote Democrat.

That's because this "haves vs have nots" is another made up Democratic scheme to drive class envy. The real kicker is that when Democrat politicians yell about taxing the wealthy, they never actually clarify that they are taxing the wealthy INCOME earners. People like Buffet are not taking in any INCOME, hence get taxed very little. Our Income Tax code is meant to punish the wealthy income earners, i.e. small business owners and such, NOT wealthy Americans. There is a difference and is one reason why a revolution will need to take place before our current tax code is replaced.

Surprising thing is that nothing is stopping these wealthy people from just giving money to the Federal Government. Oh wait they do, to fund organizations like MoveOn.
25 posted on 08/07/2007 6:43:04 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (To Neo-Liberals like Pelosi, it's not about serving America, IT'S ALL ABOUT POWER!)
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To: dfwgator
Exactly! Why would you want to share it with every one else? They're being perfectly rational and figured out the Democrats as phony as they are smart in betting on the team that won't bite them back.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

26 posted on 08/07/2007 6:44:11 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: rightinthemiddle

Dot-com millionaires have easy money? They didn’t have to work for it, making sound decisions and investment choices? Why be bitter about their success? Isn’t that what we want in America?


27 posted on 08/07/2007 6:45:54 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Life isn't fair. It's just fairer than death, that's all.--William Goldman)
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To: oblomov; All

Limosine liberals.

This is orwellian reporting.

The MSM is telling us our 20 gram ration of chocholate will be increased to 20 grams. (not a typo)

This is just like the stock homless lady which the MSM, provided by the DNC, used in 2002 AND 2004 despite not being homless.

The MSM is trying to create the perception of momentum for the ILLUSION of persuation for the weak minded.


28 posted on 08/07/2007 6:46:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: goldstategop
The rich don't work for a living, stupid. All their money is invested.

That's a big part of it; although in fairness, people in the financial services and investment industry really do work, and often do so for excessive hours each week. Inherited (old) money is another matter, and there's plenty of that in southern Connecticut to be sure.

But the other element driving these people to the Democrats is Social, not economic. Wealthy Northeastern people tend to be secular rather than religious, or otherwise belong to very Liberal churches and synagogues. They live in cloistered communities and almost never have to deal personally with the pernicious effects of crime and drugs. They tend to favor illegal immigration because that's how their lawn gets mowed and their hedges neatly clipped. They don't own guns (except as showpieces) and don't know people who do. They do not work with their hands, except at the keyboard. They and their children attend elite universities where their social liberalism is reinforced if not further radicalized. The get their news from the New York Times and CNN, and their opinions from the New Yorker, Vanity Fair, and Esquire and look down their noses at the likes of, well, Us.

29 posted on 08/07/2007 6:46:52 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (There are two kinds of people: those who get it, and those who need to.)
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To: Mr Rogers
To me, the white-guilt, uber-rich people are all John Edwards. And all of their loudmouthed women are Elizabeth Edwards.

Yes, they are fabulously wealthy (that’s what gives them the right to tell YOU what to do) and yes, they know what is right for America (as long as it doesn’t affect them) and yes, they’ve got two huge phonies that they can elect as POTUS (because Barry or Hillary can be bought), but don’t think for a moment that they can see past the end of their noses when it comes to the real problems we face. It’s just chic this season to be a liberal Dem, and that is really how those people think.

Best example: Mayor Bloomberg, who actually plans on buying the Presidency.

30 posted on 08/07/2007 6:49:27 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: oblomov

affluent suburbs out west are still firmly Republican. Of course the super rich are mostly libs and have been for a long time.


31 posted on 08/07/2007 6:49:30 AM PDT by Mom MD (The scorn of fools is music to the ears of the wise)
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To: sr4402

Truly rich people and truly big corporations have plenty of loopholes, tax shelters, and lawyers to enable them to evade any taxes the Democrats enact. In fact, those “liberal” taxes and regulations mostly harm small business and middle class people, which actually benefits the rich by wiping out the potential competition.

In addition, a lot of rich people today didn’t really have to work all that hard to get their wealth. In the old days, you’d hear of some guy who grew up on the streets, but through hard work built an empire. Most of these modern well-to-do suburbanites came from fairly well-off households to begin with. They never really had to struggle. Their daddy put them through college and they then got involved with a hedge fund through family friends. Or they sued someone for malpractice and raked in $20 million in one big swoop. Or they happen to be good looking and photogenic so they became the next big thing in Hollywood or the music industry.

In addition, rich people benefit from the illegal alien invasion (which drives down wages). They also feel sort of god-like so they become “socially liberal” on things such as abortion, homosexuality, feminism, and secularism. They even regard themselves as too big for America itself, so they sign on with a clown like Ned Lamont when he preaches one-worldism and quotes John Lennon’s “Imagine”.

Those are all generalities, of course, but quite a large percentage of the rich are not only left, but ultra-left. I remember old time Democrats like Scoop Jackson. He was a “liberal” who supported big spending on social programs and labor union issues, but he would never have supported the Cindy Sheehan crowd or same sex “marriage”. Today, the exotic left controls the Democrat Party, and they appeal to trial lawyers, technocrats, hedge fund managers, and the like, not factory workers.


32 posted on 08/07/2007 6:50:51 AM PDT by puroresu
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To: chimera

My Daughter worked for a top Wall Street Firm in NYC for a while, and go the impression that most business people are still GOPers, but there are many RATS.


33 posted on 08/07/2007 6:51:24 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: sr4402
Why the rich would want to vote Dem is beyond me.

Because the politics of this country is no longer about economics.

These arrivistes hate the white middle class and lower class with a passion, and since their gated communities and private police allow them to strictly regulate how much diversity they experience, life is sweet.

34 posted on 08/07/2007 6:54:33 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Trails of troubles, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Very well said.


35 posted on 08/07/2007 6:55:04 AM PDT by SolidWood (UN delenda est.)
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To: oblomov
The article proves one well known fact: the ability to make money does not impart wisdom in other areas of life, especially politics.
36 posted on 08/07/2007 6:57:03 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
My Daughter worked for a top Wall Street Firm in NYC for a while, and go the impression that most business people are still GOPers, but there are many RATS.

It varies. I work for an investment firm, and most of the people who are closely involved with the actual business of the company are Republicans, while the executive and sales staff and the "little people" are all big Democrats. It seems the further away you get from being a person who actually contributes something meaningful to the core competency of a given organization, the more likely you are to vote Democratic.

37 posted on 08/07/2007 7:01:42 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: RockinRight
I am trying to become rich, and it ain’t gonna make me a Democrat. I think really, you are what you are, regardless.

Me too. I believe there are a lot of us out there. Breaking the middle class glass ceiling will be the end of the Democrat "majority".

LBJ was convinced that once the Great Society gathered up minorities, they would be Democrats for life. Carter was open about taxing the crap out of us, and driving up interest rates. Clinton was unappologetic about adding to the glass ceiling with his election promise middle class tax cut that was actually a tax increase. The Democrat congress under President Bush (senior) pulled a fast one by ignoring their promised spending caps.

Too many people follow all the bogus polling going on; another Clinton gift. Prior to the Clintons polls were user to measure public opinion. The Clintons gave us polling intended to influence public opinion by exploiting demographics and push polling. The polling companies are businesses and they won't get repeat business unless they produce the results required.

The non-rich need to realize that the only way to peace and prosperity is to elect Conservatives. The rich who are Democrats are a lost cause.

38 posted on 08/07/2007 7:03:37 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, but DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: goldstategop

But, I am a Country Redneck.

Never did like anyone named Elmer though. You would think in a German heritage community there wouldn’t be that many. I guess their parents didn’t like that Silly Wabbit either.


39 posted on 08/07/2007 7:05:39 AM PDT by rock58seg (Change Homeland Security to U. S. Security. It's time they remember what country to protect.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Limosine liberals.

Exactly. This isn't news. Limosine liberals like this have been around for 40 years.

*yawn*

40 posted on 08/07/2007 7:06:54 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here...)
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To: oblomov
I think a lot of this has to do with the preception that the Republican Party is the party of the religious right, and well-off sophisticates or pseudo-sophisticates do NOT want to be associated with the Rapture crowd.

Also, the wealthy tend to be pro-abortion, which is another strike against a Republican Party associated with religious conservatives.

There are a lot of people who have a very exaggerated fear of the religious right, overestimiating its power and exaggerating its goals. Some people actually believe the religious right wants to force non-believers to convert to Christianity, or to somehow make membership in a Christian church mandatory for all Americans.
41 posted on 08/07/2007 7:10:48 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Many benefit from government largess. Rush was saying that Warren Buffett picks up companies sold for estate taxes. Peter Lesis, Soros’ sidekick created Progressive Insurance to exploit the pool of drivers pushed into the pool.
42 posted on 08/07/2007 7:11:35 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: oblomov

I think this just helps prove the theory that one doesn’t have to be a deep thinker to make a good living.


43 posted on 08/07/2007 7:12:52 AM PDT by metesky (Brought To You By Satriales Aerosol PorkChop Mist - The Finest New Jersey Has To Offer!)
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To: OrioleFan

What I find funny is blacks. Blacks who grow up in the ghetto and work their a$$es off to become wealthy STILL VOTE DEMOCRAT.


44 posted on 08/07/2007 7:19:00 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred's Campaign: A hell of an opening, coast for a while, and then have a hell of a close.)
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To: RockinRight

Many successful Blacks credit LBJ’s Great Society Program for their success. The 2nd phase of the Civil Rights Movement is about economic justice. MLK spoke about ending poverty. Thus, when Republicans talk about cutting Govt spending and less Govt, many Blacks (esp the older Generation) feel that the GOP is trying to end economic enpowerment for them.


45 posted on 08/07/2007 7:31:29 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: fieldmarshaldj; Clintonfatigued

Funny, I thought sensible moderates ,like Jodi Rell, were going to turn affluent suburbs into being solid Red territory.


46 posted on 08/07/2007 7:33:42 AM PDT by Kuksool
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To: Puppage

Hmmmm seems I have to plan my next trip there.


47 posted on 08/07/2007 7:34:39 AM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: Kuksool

>The 2nd phase of the Civil Rights Movement is about economic justice.

So said the leaders of the Comintern when they occupied and took over the civil rights movement.


48 posted on 08/07/2007 7:37:25 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: Mom MD

“Affluent Suburbs out west are still firmly Republican.”

Were that it so. But it isn’t, at least in Oregon. The two affluent Portland suburban counties — Washington and Clackamas — voted to re-elect an astoundingly unpopular democratic Governor in 2006 by a 6.6 percent margin (Clackamas) and a 19 percent margin (Washington). Incumbent democartic Congressman David Wu (he of the Klingon flub up and consistently anti-Administration votes) won re-election in the prosperous 1st District with just under 82 percent of the vote.

Not encouraging, and I don’t think it’s gotten any better since then.


49 posted on 08/07/2007 7:39:14 AM PDT by Air Force Brat
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To: goldstategop

That statement is not class warfare, not class warfare at all. The reason we have problems in this country in the first place is because of this desire among people to bash the rich. Call it populism, and clearly, as per the statement I am responding to, this horrid influence pervades both parties.


50 posted on 08/07/2007 7:41:01 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691
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