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A STATEMENT ON SCOTT THOMAS (TNR Editors Respond)
The New Republic ^ | 8-07-07 | TNR Editors

Posted on 08/07/2007 11:29:17 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo

We've talked to military personnel directly involved in the events that Scott Thomas Beauchamp described, and they corroborated his account as detailed in our statement. When we called Army spokesman Major Steven F. Lamb and asked about an anonymously sourced allegation that Beauchamp had recanted his articles in a sworn statement, he told us, "I have no knowledge of that." He added, "If someone is speaking anonymously [to The Weekly Standard], they are on their own." When we pressed Lamb for details on the Army investigation, he told us, "We don't go into the details of how we conduct our investigations."

--The Editors

posted 2:12 p.m.



TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beauchamp; lyingmedia; msm; scottthomas; thenewrepublic; tnr

1 posted on 08/07/2007 11:29:25 AM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: SeafoodGumbo

Standing by their BS still. LOL


2 posted on 08/07/2007 11:31:17 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

That’s it?!


3 posted on 08/07/2007 11:31:35 AM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: SeafoodGumbo

“Fake but Accurate”, the Sequel.


4 posted on 08/07/2007 11:32:04 AM PDT by rfp1234 (Nothing is better than eternal happiness. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore...)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

Walter DUranty lives.

“Any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda.”
—New York Times, August 23, 1933


5 posted on 08/07/2007 11:34:10 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: SeafoodGumbo
Does not mean that the recanting of the stories is not true ... just means that Maj. Lamb does not know anything or that, as he stated, he is not commentating ... until there is an official release.
6 posted on 08/07/2007 11:35:43 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: pissant

Fake, but true, don’t ‘cha know.

The MSM are suckers for any story that fits their pre-conceived notions of the world: Duke rape case, innocent arabs, criminal US soliders, etc.

Very easy to fool them.

I just have to remember if I ever commit a crime, I did so because I was gay -— brutally supressed by my increasingly orthodox Jewish, militaristic father -— which drove me to my crimes by the intolerance.


7 posted on 08/07/2007 11:35:57 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: MeanWestTexan

I’d vote to acquit after hearing that sad story!


8 posted on 08/07/2007 11:36:50 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
When we pressed Lamb for details on the Army investigation, he told us, "We don't go into the details of how we conduct our investigations

Babelfish setting: Liberal to English

"We asked Major Lamb what forms of torture the people's hero Scott Thomas was subjected to in order to make him even consider recanting his story and the fascist liar Major Lamb told us that he wouldn't even dignify that with an answer which is, of course, a typical Neocon practice used to cover up the crimes of George W. Bush"

9 posted on 08/07/2007 11:37:50 AM PDT by Gator101
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To: SeafoodGumbo
We've talked to military personnel directly involved in the events that Scott Thomas Beauchamp described . . .

Who did . . . Mrs. Beauchamp?

10 posted on 08/07/2007 11:41:32 AM PDT by donna
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To: MeanWestTexan

So, the Weekly Standard is lying about the recanting, or is TNR going to let Beauchamp take them down with him? I think TNR should cut their losses now, before it gets worse.


11 posted on 08/07/2007 11:43:40 AM PDT by boop (Trunk Monkey. Is there anything he can't do?)
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To: pissant
I’d vote to acquit after hearing that sad story!

Ha! Me too, and there's not even a glove in this case. :)

12 posted on 08/07/2007 11:46:43 AM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: jazusamo

ROFL!


13 posted on 08/07/2007 11:47:23 AM PDT by pissant (Duncan Hunter: Warrior, Statesman, Conservative)
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To: boop

I think it just did get worse. It appears that TNR is going to attempt to counter an official investigation and a signed statement with hearsay from unnamed sourced they asked after the fact. Great journalism, that.


14 posted on 08/07/2007 11:47:50 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: boop

Argh. “Sourced” = “sources.” Sorry.


15 posted on 08/07/2007 11:48:32 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: SeafoodGumbo

TNR is pulling a Truthout....sticking with their story regardless...


16 posted on 08/07/2007 11:49:28 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: SeafoodGumbo

I think Beauchamp is a lying bastard.

That so, TNR is providing a name (Maj Lamb) to back up their claims.

The Weekly Standard (or Flopping Aces) needs to provide something more than a source close to the investigation if they really want to nail TNR.

The MSM’s overuse of “unnamed sources” “administration official”, etc. is something that is often complained about by FReepers.


17 posted on 08/07/2007 11:51:04 AM PDT by elc
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To: SeafoodGumbo
Both the MSM and rags like TNR are obsessed right now with finding the two V's in our military....Victims and Villains.

Victims, as in "Help, the fascist Bush has traumatized me for life by sending me to his criminal war", or Villains, as in "I set Iraqi children on fire and eat them for fun".

When they can't find either, they just make them up.
18 posted on 08/07/2007 11:53:52 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: Gator101
Babelfish setting: Liberal to English

"We asked Major Lamb what forms of torture the people's hero Scott Thomas was subjected to in order to make him even consider recanting his story and the fascist liar Major Lamb told us that he wouldn't even dignify that with an answer which is, of course, a typical Neocon practice used to cover up the crimes of George W. Bush"

Priceless! The truth is the Major will not talk until this wannabe Gonzo Journalist is safely in Leavenworth or dishonorably on the street to practice his mendacious craft alone.

19 posted on 08/07/2007 11:56:09 AM PDT by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: higgmeister
The truth is the Major will not talk until this wannabe Gonzo Journalist is safely in Leavenworth or dishonorably on the street to practice his mendacious craft alone.

True, and although the good Major won't speak about any recantation (and might be a little miffed that he has an apparent leak in his department) the WS article does quote him as going on record with:

"An investigation has been completed and the allegations made by PVT Beauchamp were found to be false. His platoon and company were interviewed and no one could substantiate the claims."

But of course that won't find its way into the TNR editors statement.

20 posted on 08/07/2007 12:11:53 PM PDT by Gator101
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To: Gator101

From WS...

“Separately, we received this statement from Major Steven F. Lamb, the deputy Public Affairs Officer for Multi National Division-Baghdad:

An investigation has been completed and the allegations made by PVT Beauchamp were found to be false. His platoon and company were interviewed and no one could substantiate the claims.”

Somebody’s lying and considering NRs past predilection toward misrepresentation we have a pretty good idea who it is.


21 posted on 08/07/2007 12:14:08 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: SeafoodGumbo

The TNR ‘corroboration’ is based on anonymous sources, and so is the NRO’s report from ‘someone close to the investigation.’ Sooner or later, all of the laundry is going to get washed in public.

I’m gonna make some more popcorn.


22 posted on 08/07/2007 1:09:30 PM PDT by Clioman
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To: SeafoodGumbo
Scott Thomas Beauchamp

Usually when they use someone's middle name - that's a sign the guy is in a heap o' trubble.

23 posted on 08/07/2007 1:10:24 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

so the guy with the skull on his head was scott and a friend? they need to be put in the brig.


24 posted on 08/07/2007 1:13:13 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary in '08.....Her PHONINESS is GENUINE !!!!)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
UPDATE: Weekly standard sticks to its guns:

Beauchamp Recants: Update

The editors of the New Republic have responded here. Three points:

(1) They neglected to report that the Army has concluded its investigation and found Beauchamp's stories to be false. As Major Lamb, the very officer they quote, has said in an authorized statement: "An investigation has been completed and the allegations made by PVT Beauchamp were found to be false. His platoon and company were interviewed and no one could substantiate the claims."

(2) Does the failure of the New Republic to report the Army's conclusions mean that the editors believe the Army investigators are wrong about Beauchamp?

(3) We have full confidence in our reporting that Pvt Beauchamp recanted under oath in the course of the investigation. Is the New Republic claiming that Pvt Beauchamp made no such admission to Army investigators? Is Beauchamp?

http://weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp#2115

25 posted on 08/07/2007 1:22:47 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: higgmeister

“Priceless! The truth is the Major will not talk until this wannabe Gonzo Journalist is safely in Leavenworth or dishonorably on the street to practice his mendacious craft alone.”

At first I wasn’t sure whether you were talking about Beauchamp or the TNR editor! After all, they both deserve the same fate.

But, fear not... this will soon become about “what did Major Lamb know and when did he know it???” Because, obviously, Major Lamb knows more than he is letting on and it is up to the fearless PRESS to expose his LIES!


26 posted on 08/07/2007 1:29:48 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: bolobaby

Pelosi and Reid are calling for an investigation!


27 posted on 08/07/2007 1:48:27 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Fido969

Thru the Glass darkly....BAAAAWAAA...TNR needs to FIRE the lyin’ FOER!


28 posted on 08/07/2007 2:17:01 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: SeafoodGumbo
Pvt BullCrap and TNR


29 posted on 08/07/2007 4:44:29 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: SeafoodGumbo
When we called Army spokesman Major Steven F. Lamb and asked about an anonymously sourced allegation that Beauchamp had recanted his articles in a sworn statement, he told us, "I have no knowledge of that.

Cute. NR is suggesting that Lamb has no knowledge that Beauchamp recanted - but that is NOT what Lamb is saying. Lamb is merely saying he doesn't know about an "anonymous source".

Oh, NR is soooo busted!

30 posted on 08/08/2007 12:05:44 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Fido969
“Usually when they use someone’s middle name - that’s a sign the guy is in a heap o’ trubble.”

We should be thankful it isn’t “Wayne”...

31 posted on 08/08/2007 12:09:52 AM PDT by decal (Be honest, now - does this tagline make me look fat?)
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To: SeafoodGumbo

Latest from the Weekly Standard:
“Oh, gosh the WS blog is RICH:

His command’s investigation is complete. At this time, there is no formal what we call Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) actions being taken. However, there are other Administrative actions or what we call Non-Judicial Punishment that can be taken if the command deems appropriate. These are again administrative in nature and as such are not releasable to the public by law.

We are not stonewalling anyone. There are official statements that are out there are on the record from several of us and nothing has changed.

We are not preventing him from speaking to TNR or anyone. He has full access to the Morale Welfare and Recreation phones that all the other members of the unit are free to use. It is my understanding that he has been informed of the requests to speak to various members of the media, both traditional and non-traditional and has declined. That is his right.

We will not nor can we force a Soldier to talk to the media or his family or anyone really for that matter in these types of issues.

We fully understand the issues on this. What everyone must understand is that we will not breach the rights of the Soldier and this is where this is at this point.”

I have Foer out the door Monday morning.


32 posted on 08/11/2007 8:01:50 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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