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Taliban launch frontal attack on base---Darwin Award Nominees 2008
yahoo ^ | 7 August 2007 | trueblackman

Posted on 08/07/2007 12:55:00 PM PDT by Trueblackman

By RAHIM FAIEZ, Associated Press Writer1 hour, 6 minutes ago

A group of 75 Taliban militants tried to overrun a U.S.-led coalition base in southern Afghanistan on Tuesday, a rare frontal attack that left more than 20 militants dead, the coalition said in a statement.

The insurgents attacked Firebase Anaconda from three sides, using gunfire, grenades and 107 mm rockets, the coalition said. A joint Afghan-U.S. force repelled the attack with mortars, machine guns and air support.

"Almost two dozen insurgents were confirmed killed in the attack," the statement said. Two girls and two Afghan soldiers were wounded during the fight in Uruzgan province, it said.

A firebase like Anaconda is usually a remote outpost staffed by as few as several dozen soldiers.

"The inability of the insurgent forces to inflict any severe damage on Firebase Anaconda, while being simultaneously decimated in the process, should be a clear indication of the ineffectiveness of their fighters," said Army Capt. Vanessa R. Bowman, a coalition spokeswoman.

A direct attack on a U.S. or NATO base by insurgents on foot is relatively rare. More often insurgents fire rockets at bases and flee. Military officials say that Taliban fighters know they can't match Western militaries in a heads-up battle, which leads the insurgents to more often rely on roadside and suicide bombs.

Meanwhile, South Korean officials and Taliban leaders were expected to agree Tuesday on a meeting place to negotiate the release of 21 South Korean hostages, an Afghan politician said.

The South Koreans and Taliban representatives have been talking by phone for several days and planned to determine a location for their first face-to-face talks by the end of the day, said Gov. Marajudin Pathan, the leader in Ghazni province, where the Koreans were kidnapped.

"There will be one of our government officials in the talks as well," Pathan told The Associated Press.

Pathan said that the meeting is likely to take place in Ghazni province, but could not provide any further details. South Koreans embassy officials were not immediately available for comment.

In South Korea, relatives of the hostages expressed disappointment Tuesday that meetings Sunday and Monday at Camp David between Afghan President Hamid Karzai and President Bush failed to produce concrete measures to bring the captives home.

The Afghan and U.S. presidents ruled out making any concessions to the Taliban militants during their meetings.

South Korean Foreign Minister Song Min-soon cautioned that the country should be prepared for a protracted ordeal, noting that other hostages in Afghanistan had been held an average of 35 days.

Song also said none of the captives were suffering from critical health problems.

A purported Taliban spokesman, Qari Yousef Ahmadi, said the meeting between Karzai and Bush had "no result," and that militant prisoners must be released in exchange for the lives of South Korean hostages or there will be a "bad result."

The militants kidnapped 23 Korean aid workers traveling by bus from Kabul to Kandahar on July 19. Two male hostages have been killed.

Taliban militants clashed with police in two separate incidents in southern Afghanistan, leaving five militants and two officers dead, officials said Tuesday.

The militants attacked police at a checkpoint in Zabul province on Monday, and the ensuing clash left five suspected militants dead, said Ali Kheil, the spokesman for Zabul's governor.

Also Monday, militants attacked a police vehicle just outside Kandahar city, killing two officers and wounding eight others, said provincial police chief Syed Agha Saqib. The attackers escaped and police are hunting for them, he said.

Insurgent attacks and military operations have killed more than 3,600 people so far this year, most of them militants. Much of the violence has been concentrated in the former Taliban stronghold in the south.

Also in southern Afghanistan, Dutch soldiers fatally shot a motorcyclist who approached their convoy and failed to heed warning signals and shots, the Dutch Defense Ministry said.

International forces are often the targets of suicide bombers, and they repeatedly warn Afghan civilian motorists to slow down or steer clear of convoys so they are not mistaken for attackers. Several civilians have been killed in such incidents.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; firebaseanaconda; taliban
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You would think they had common sense, no wonder they need the help of the U.S. Press
1 posted on 08/07/2007 12:55:02 PM PDT by Trueblackman
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To: Trueblackman
“...decimated.” I like the sound of that.
2 posted on 08/07/2007 12:57:45 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Trueblackman
I love it when a plan falls apart.


3 posted on 08/07/2007 12:57:45 PM PDT by Long Island Pete
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To: Trueblackman

Must have been watching Rambo movies with smokin their own heroin.


4 posted on 08/07/2007 12:58:06 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Trueblackman

Allah must have been taking a nap when these jihadis decided to attack the US military instead of killing women and children.


5 posted on 08/07/2007 12:58:33 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Trueblackman
This is not a true frontal attack. If they hit three of four sides then it was a frontal and flank attack. From the sound of it they tried an ill-coordinated human-wave style of attack and got a serious asswhipping. No one said these cave dwellers were smart.
6 posted on 08/07/2007 12:59:03 PM PDT by stm
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

We have too many to choose from for 2007, so we will move this one to 2008.


7 posted on 08/07/2007 12:59:32 PM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Actually, decimated means killing one out of ten. Comes from the Roman practice of doing just that with soldiers if they failed in battle and needed extra motivation.


8 posted on 08/07/2007 12:59:37 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Trueblackman
The common sense is to make senseless attacks against the world’s most powerful military and get the world's dumbest press (US Press) to report that Afghanistan is not stable, the Taliban is “regrouping” and US policy is a failure.
9 posted on 08/07/2007 12:59:58 PM PDT by 11th Commandment
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To: Trueblackman

Too bad they don’t have video!


10 posted on 08/07/2007 1:00:04 PM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Trueblackman

Sheer sense of desperation. Hooray for the brave soldiers at Firebase Anaconda! BTW, I wonder what the South Koreans are prepared to give the Taliban in exchange for the hostages.


11 posted on 08/07/2007 1:01:10 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Trueblackman

Why weren’t there 75 dead?


12 posted on 08/07/2007 1:02:20 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: Trueblackman

Even the US press couldn’t help these nuts...allah akbar and ciou.


13 posted on 08/07/2007 1:02:54 PM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: Yo-Yo

Well we don’t shot them in back I guess, but a fuel air bomb over enemy forces is a wonderful thing.


14 posted on 08/07/2007 1:04:38 PM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: Trueblackman

I wonder if US forces use claymore mines for defensive positions these days.


15 posted on 08/07/2007 1:05:13 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: Trueblackman

don’t underestimate them. they may be poorly matched militarily, but they have a lot more patience than Americans. They will keep their experience and use it after we leave unless we are prepared to be there for a very long time.


16 posted on 08/07/2007 1:05:44 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: ari-freedom

I agree.


17 posted on 08/07/2007 1:07:04 PM PDT by Trueblackman (Terrorism and Liberalism never sleep and neither do I)
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To: Yo-Yo

U.S. forces were too busy laughing...


18 posted on 08/07/2007 1:08:57 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Trueblackman

That’s what happens when you believe US Media reports that our troops can’t shoot straight.


19 posted on 08/07/2007 1:11:53 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: Trueblackman

An infantry charge against a fortified position? The Taliban should stop buying surplus Chinese tactical manuals from the Korean war. Mohammed Al-Pickets charge.


20 posted on 08/07/2007 1:12:04 PM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberals, replacing what works with what doesn't since 1940.)
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To: Trueblackman

There should be a Special Recognition Darwin Award for these guys............


21 posted on 08/07/2007 1:19:34 PM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor.............)
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To: Yo-Yo

75 dead? Well, we don’t know the number of their wounded who died later. And the # whose injuries are so serious as to preclude them from any further fighting.......


22 posted on 08/07/2007 1:21:04 PM PDT by Red Badger (All I know about Minnesota, I learned from Garrison Keilor.............)
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To: Trueblackman
while being simultaneously decimated in the process

Decimated would have been 7.5 of the attackers. More than 20 dead is a heck of a lot better than decimated. Too bad it wasn't 100%.

23 posted on 08/07/2007 1:22:07 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://www.rinorepublic.com)
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To: Lee'sGhost

What they were doing is reading the MSM press releases.

Reading such tripe would make anyone believe that our military is completely incompetent and that our operations are all military failures, but reality is an unforgiving teacher...


24 posted on 08/07/2007 1:22:41 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Lee'sGhost

Decimation in the Roman legions was usually reserved for those legions that mutinied. The soldiers would be separated into their groups of ten, each man having a number from 1 to 10. By lot, a number from 1 to 10 would be called out and every man with that number in each group of 10 would be killed. But those not called would still not be entirely spared. It was the job of the other nine to beat the 10th man to death. Since the groups of 10, called decades, were similar to modern squads, the nine would be beating to death one of their comrades and friend.


25 posted on 08/07/2007 1:30:07 PM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: stm

Hey now, don't insult the cavemen by comparing them to al-Qaeda terrorists!

26 posted on 08/07/2007 1:33:17 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * U.Va. Engineering '09 * Friends Don't Let Friends Vote Democrat * Fred in 2008)
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To: Lee'sGhost

You have inverted it.

Decimate literally means killing 9 out of 10 or cutting the opposing force down to 1/10 of the size.

But in general it is a euphamism any route but especially any route where the force is destruyed to ranks level and requires a total rebuild.


27 posted on 08/07/2007 1:37:08 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (Support America, Support Duncan Hunter for President.)
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To: ishabibble

This proves that this year’s opium crop was really primo.


28 posted on 08/07/2007 1:38:10 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: rabscuttle385
Human wave mass suicide, so easy the Taliban can do it
29 posted on 08/07/2007 1:38:27 PM PDT by stm
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To: ishabibble

Or fighting amongst themselves as to who they were going to kill. “He’s mine!” “No he’s not, I saw him first, he’s mine!”


30 posted on 08/07/2007 1:40:10 PM PDT by stm
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To: Lee'sGhost

Sorry you are right on the original meaning.

The euphamistic use still stands though...


31 posted on 08/07/2007 1:40:34 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (Support America, Support Duncan Hunter for President.)
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To: Lee'sGhost
Actually, decimated means killing one out of ten.

You're the first person I've ever seen who got this right. The Latin derivation is obvious, but most people misuse the word, often used instead to mean total destruction.

32 posted on 08/07/2007 1:40:37 PM PDT by econjack
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“t militant prisoners must be released in exchange for the lives of South Korean hostages or there will be a “bad result.”

We need to announce that if they massacre the Korean hostages
EVERY Taliban prisoner now being held in ALL facilities will be taken out and executed . That will settle the prisoner exchange question and send the correct message for the future.
The taliban are relying on our perceived humanitarian ‘weaknesses’ They have no such impediments.

33 posted on 08/07/2007 1:41:39 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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"The inability of the insurgent forces to inflict any severe damage on Firebase Anaconda, while being simultaneously decimated in the process, should be a clear indication of the ineffectiveness of their fighters," said Army Capt. Vanessa R. Bowman, a coalition spokeswoman.

**snicker**

34 posted on 08/07/2007 1:43:15 PM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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To: stm

Or: “After you, I already bagged my limit.”


35 posted on 08/07/2007 1:45:36 PM PDT by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: GulfBreeze
Decimate literally means killing 9 out of 10 or cutting the opposing force down to 1/10 of the size.

I don't think so. The dictionary says:

"to select by lot and kill every tenth one of"

This is in agreement with ops33's post #25.

36 posted on 08/07/2007 1:46:25 PM PDT by econjack
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To: Trueblackman

Git some! Get some!


37 posted on 08/07/2007 1:47:18 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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“The inability of the insurgent forces to inflict any severe damage on Firebase Anaconda, while being simultaneously decimated in the process, should be a clear indication of the ineffectiveness of their fighters,” said Army Capt. Vanessa R. Bowman, a coalition spokeswoman

Now that is calculated - a broadcasted emasculation of male Muslim fighters by an invading infidel woman - that has got to drive those gihadists into a rage

38 posted on 08/07/2007 1:50:58 PM PDT by rockthecasbah (He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat.)
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To: Trueblackman

39 posted on 08/07/2007 1:51:09 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Stop that!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
That's how my Latin teacher taught it:

Decimation - Perhaps the most gruesome punishment of all known to the Roman army was that of decimation. It generally was applied to entire cohorts and meant that every tenth man, randomly chosen by a draw of lots, was killed by being clubbed or stoned to death by his own comrades. This form of punishment of the troops was however extremely rare.

40 posted on 08/07/2007 1:56:27 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: econjack

see 31


41 posted on 08/07/2007 1:59:16 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (Support America, Support Duncan Hunter for President.)
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To: Trueblackman

maybe like in ZULU....they were counting the guns..


42 posted on 08/07/2007 2:00:01 PM PDT by stylin19a (Go Bears !)
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To: Trueblackman

Suicide by United States military.

Talk about Darwin awards, yea, they got it.


43 posted on 08/07/2007 2:01:03 PM PDT by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha (Smoke clears and Fred Thompson is President))
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To: Hacklehead

What do you want to be they did it from Horseback?


44 posted on 08/07/2007 2:01:57 PM PDT by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha (Smoke clears and Fred Thompson is President))
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To: GulfBreeze

OK


45 posted on 08/07/2007 2:02:19 PM PDT by econjack
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To: Trueblackman

Rack em and Stack em!

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


46 posted on 08/07/2007 2:03:04 PM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: ishabibble

They must not have had a perimeter of claymores. They could have quadrupled the body count (at least) if they did.


47 posted on 08/07/2007 2:03:20 PM PDT by stm
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To: ishabibble

Either that or “damn, you take him, my weapon overheated and it’s jammed!”


48 posted on 08/07/2007 2:05:20 PM PDT by stm
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To: Trueblackman
but a fuel air bomb over enemy forces is a wonderful thing.....
Yes it is, "marshmallow and grillin' time."
49 posted on 08/07/2007 2:17:42 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you....run, Fred, run. :^)
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To: econjack

The dictionary also says:
3 a: to reduce drastically especially in number “cholera decimated the population”

That is the present day connotation.

Gay used to mean ‘happily excited.’ Today, if you call someone ‘gay,’ he may get excited but he sure won’t be happy!


50 posted on 08/07/2007 2:17:56 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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