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Split in anti-war left (Pop some popcorn)
The Hill ^ | August 8, 2007 | Manu Raju

Posted on 08/07/2007 9:10:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Congress’s failure to secure a timetable for withdrawing American troops from Iraq has split anti-war activists on the tactical question of whether to attack Democrats, who now control Capitol Hill.

The split has also underlined accusations among some activists that MoveOn has abandoned its credentials as an issue-based advocacy group and now instead provides cover for Democratic Party leaders.

Anti-war activists throughout the country are united in spending August pressing lawmakers to bring U.S. troops home. But tensions within the movement have been bubbling for months over tactics and whether their fire should be aimed exclusively at Republicans.

The divisions underscore the tough position Democrats are in — short of the 60 votes needed in the Senate to pass binding restrictions on the war and far shy of the two-thirds majority in both chambers required to override a presidential veto.

Some activist groups say MoveOn is giving a pass to Democratic leaders, whom they say are not taking a hard enough line to stop funding U.S. involvement in the war.

But MoveOn argues that burning bridges with Democrats is not an effective strategy. Much better, the influential organization says, is to work with them to peel away Republican support for the war and thus force President Bush’s hand.

The Americans Against Escalation in Iraq, a coalition that includes MoveOn, is mounting a multimillion-dollar campaign aimed at 23 senators and 70 representatives to chip away at support for Bush’s war strategy. The 10-week-long campaign includes nearly 100 organizers in 15 states. But its only targets are Republicans who have not supported a firm timetable for troop withdrawals.

“Ultimately, the war ends because there is this cataclysmic showdown between the Republicans who are getting pinched by the public and the White House,” predicted Tom Matzzie, Washington director for MoveOn.

Matzzie said Democrats have regained their footing on the war after caving to Bush’s demands earlier this year to send him a war funding bill without a timetable for withdrawal. Since then, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev.) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) have refused to negotiate compromise war measures with Republicans and instead are seeking to isolate Bush by pressuring Republicans into supporting a binding plan to bring troops home by April.

Matzzie said Democrats should be rewarded for the increasingly hard line they have taken against Republicans and the White House.

“When children do something bad, you can’t always be angry,” Matzzie said. “You want them to build confidence and feel bold, and feel like they have people behind them. And we want Democratic leaders to feel like they have people behind them that if they push, they’re going to be rewarded.”

But that position has angered some activist groups that say Democrats should not get a free pass. These activists express frustration that MoveOn keeps siding with Democratic leaders even while they supply the funds necessary to continue the war.

“We definitely view [MoveOn] as more partisan, certainly than we are,” said Sue Udry, legislative action coordinator for United for Peace and Justice, a coalition of 1,300 advocacy groups. “We’re essentially two different animals.”

Some groups within Udry’s coalition are staging protests this month at Democratic leaders’ district offices. They are also putting pressure on Democratic presidential candidates Sens. Barack Obama (Ill.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) to end war funding.

“We need to continue to hold the feet to the fire of the Democratic leadership,” said Jeff Leys, co-coordinator of Voices for Creative Non-Violence, whose group is holding protests at the local offices of Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), who also sits on the Appropriations Committee. “If we’re focusing on just the Democrats or just the Republicans, we’re missing the point.”

The dispute over strategy has escalated since March, when MoveOn supported Pelosi’s effort to move a $124 billion war funding bill that included a call for troop withdrawal by next summer. Its language did not call for a complete withdrawal of troops. Groups on the left strongly criticized Pelosi and MoveOn for their support of the measure, but MoveOn said it was a pragmatic approach to build support for ending the war.

Leslie Angeline, an activist with Code Pink who staged a 24-day hunger strike in the office of Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) to protest his position on Iran, said she dropped her membership from MoveOn after it supported that measure.

“MoveOn is very conservative,” Angeline said. “When they said, ‘We should support the supplemental,’ they betrayed us.”

Angeline’s group has been highly visible on Capitol Hill, sporting bright pink shirts and employing attention-grabbing tactics to spotlight concerns with Democratic and Republican positions on the war. For instance, at a candlelight vigil co-organized by MoveOn last month during the Senate’s all-night debate on Iraq, some Code Pink members heckled Democratic leaders who were calling on the GOP to support an amendment calling for a troop withdrawal by April.

Matzzie acknowledged some animosity between Code Pink and MoveOn at the national level.

“Nancy Pelosi is an ally, and Harry Reid is an ally,” Matzzie said. “And that’s different from where they want to be.” Moira Mack, a spokeswoman for the Americans Against Escalation in Iraq, said Republicans are feeling the heat because they have overwhelmingly supported Bush’s war strategy, unlike Democrats.

“This is not about Democrats or Republicans, this is about a war policy that is failing,” Mack said.

One anti-war activist, who asked not to be named, said animosity between MoveOn and other groups on the left simply boils down to a difference in style.

“MoveOn is as ardent as Code Pink,” he said.


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When you're to the left of Moron.Org, you are on the edge of the cliff, looking into the abyss.
1 posted on 08/07/2007 9:10:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Cold beer! Cold beer! Get your cold beer.


2 posted on 08/07/2007 9:25:55 PM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The Americans Against Escalation in Iraq, a coalition that includes MoveOn, is mounting a multimillion-dollar campaign aimed at 23 senators and 70 representatives to chip away at support for Bush’s war strategy. The 10-week-long campaign includes nearly 100 organizers in 15 states. But its only targets are Republicans who have not supported a firm timetable for troop withdrawals.’

Thank you Senator John McCain.


3 posted on 08/07/2007 9:27:02 PM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

4 posted on 08/07/2007 9:37:08 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Ultimately, the war ends because there is this cataclysmic showdown between the Republicans who are getting pinched by the public and the White House,” predicted Tom Matzzie, Washington director for MoveOn.

What. An. Idiot. How about "ultimately the war ends because WE WIN"!?!?!

5 posted on 08/07/2007 9:37:09 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A catfight among Commies. Cool.


6 posted on 08/07/2007 9:40:16 PM PDT by TBP
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“When children do something bad, you can’t always be angry,” Matzzie said. “You want them to build confidence and feel bold, and feel like they have people behind them. And we want Democratic leaders to feel like they have people behind them that if they push, they’re going to be rewarded.”


ROFLMAOPMP!!!

Who get’s to burp Pelosi, Reid and Murtha?


7 posted on 08/07/2007 9:45:47 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“MoveOn is very conservative,” Angeline said.

Dang it! She’s on to us.


8 posted on 08/07/2007 9:50:15 PM PDT by james500
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To: Grizzled Bear
The left is screwed. They thought they were grandstanding for a 55% base, but they only now have the support of their 33% hard-core constituency, who is even now drawing the dagger on them. They forgot *on purpose* how they picked up the blue dog contingent and slickstered their house win.

They struck the king, but didn't kill him.

The soon-coming V-AQ day will exile them as the traitor rats they are and worked their fingers to the bone to warrant.

9 posted on 08/07/2007 9:59:06 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think the commies are doing this to make Hillaryious look more towards the center.
10 posted on 08/07/2007 10:10:38 PM PDT by do the dhue (Don't let Jihad Jane do what Hanoi Jane did!!!! SEP 15, 07 Gathering of EAGLES DC)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sue Udry, legislative action coordinator for United for Peace and Justice, a coalition of 1,300 advocacy groups. “We’re essentially two different animals.”

1) Any...ahem..."woman" with a last name of Udry has questionable appearance factors.
2) 1,300? As in one thousand, three hundred? Probably every one of these so-called advocacy groups consists of one member per.
3) "We're...animals." Well, we agree on at least that much, hee hee.

11 posted on 08/07/2007 10:11:00 PM PDT by kromike
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To: Grizzled Bear

Oh I am sure they will have a circle-burp......


12 posted on 08/07/2007 10:12:39 PM PDT by Syncro
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Burka burping?


13 posted on 08/07/2007 10:13:09 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: IowaHawk; aculeus; Billthedrill; hellinahandcart; martin_fierro; Constitution Day; Petronski; ...

Ping in solidarity with heroic People’s struggle against bourgeois MoveOn fascists.


14 posted on 08/07/2007 10:25:02 PM PDT by dighton
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The split has also underlined accusations among some activists that MoveOn has abandoned its credentials as an issue-based advocacy group and now instead provides cover for Democratic Party leaders.”

HELLO!
Exactly WHAT did you think an organization infested with Clintonites was going to do when she started running???


15 posted on 08/07/2007 10:30:05 PM PDT by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Where to start.....?

[Anti-war activists throughout the country are united in spending August pressing lawmakers to bring U.S. troops home. But tensions within the movement have been bubbling for months over tactics and whether their fire should be aimed exclusively at Republicans.]

The people who voted for Democrats thinking that they were voting for bringing troops home begin to wonder “What the heck...?”

[Some activist groups say MoveOn is giving a pass to Democratic leaders, whom they say are not taking a hard enough line to stop funding U.S. involvement in the war.]

“...Why did I bother to pry my butt off the couch (and miss reruns of ‘Friends’) to go down to the polling place and vote for a Democrat?”

[“We need to continue to hold the feet to the fire of the Democratic leadership,” said Jeff Leys, co-coordinator of Voices for Creative Non-Violence, whose group is holding protests at the local offices of Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), who also sits on the Appropriations Committee. “If we’re focusing on just the Democrats or just the Republicans, we’re missing the point.”]

They’re starting to realize they’ve missed the point, but they don’t quite yet comprehend which point they’ve actually missed.

[The dispute over strategy has escalated since March, when MoveOn supported Pelosi’s effort to move a $124 billion war funding bill that included a call for troop withdrawal by next summer. Its language did not call for a complete withdrawal of troops. Groups on the left strongly criticized Pelosi and MoveOn for their support of the measure, but MoveOn said it was a pragmatic approach to build support for ending the war.

The anti-war groups get an inkling about which other groups are their allies, and which are merely fronts for the Democrats.

[Moira Mack, a spokeswoman for the Americans Against Escalation in Iraq, said Republicans are feeling the heat because they have overwhelmingly supported Bush’s war strategy, unlike Democrats. “This is not about Democrats or Republicans, this is about a war policy that is failing,” Mack said.]

Oh, my God! We’ve been duped into supporting a position that is about Democrats versus Republicans, when we thought we were supporting a principled ideology.

[One anti-war activist, who asked not to be named, said animosity between MoveOn and other groups on the left simply boils down to a difference in style. “MoveOn is as ardent as Code Pink,” he said.]

Well, some of us are still holding out hope. The Democrats will do exactly what they promised to do: put an immediate end to the Iraq war, capture all the terrorists, make countries around the world love us unconditionally, repeal the Bush tax cuts ending poverty in America, pass a law that purifies the environment while supporting small business owners and hardworking Americans at the same time and ending racism, bigotry, homophobia, sexism and any and all forms of hatred. And where the heck is my tin-foil hat???

16 posted on 08/07/2007 10:35:08 PM PDT by spinestein (The answer is 42.)
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To: txflake

We have a winner!


17 posted on 08/07/2007 10:42:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

18 posted on 08/07/2007 10:55:16 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We may still have some popcorn leftovers ourselves, after that immigration fiasco...

We could just send it to them. :)


19 posted on 08/07/2007 10:56:46 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (D is for Defeatism. R is for Reconquista.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Congressman Billybob; dirtboy; Howlin

First of all, why does the news media get to claim that MoveOn is anti-war?

MoveOn was founded in 1998 in response to Free Republic’s March on Washington impeachment drive...and said NOT A PEEP against President Clinton’s 1999 air war on Serbia over Kosovo.


20 posted on 08/07/2007 11:09:37 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bummer. /s


21 posted on 08/07/2007 11:10:49 PM PDT by Wheee The People (Go FRed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“MoveOn is very conservative,” Angeline said

I wonder how Angeline would characterize me? I must be a fascist in her eyes...

22 posted on 08/08/2007 4:56:17 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At the risk of an O’Reilly attack I have to say I hate lefties. What a wonderful world it would be without them. They serve no useful purpose and put us all in danger.


23 posted on 08/08/2007 5:09:53 AM PDT by mimaw
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

OK These nuts claim to “care” about our troops so much they want them home? I DON’T THINK SO. When we visited our Marine before he was deployed to Iraq, there were some protesters standing on a corner waving their flags, yelling or shall I say spewing their garbage, our Marine wanted to “show them his ‘love’” Imagine the headlines if my husband had stopped the car? Not one of these so called protesters have sent any packages or anything showing support to him or any of our troops while deployed is my bet. This is just one Marine mom’s advice to the protesters, “Pink,” MoveOn, et al: SHUT-UP AND GO HOME Our troops want to stay and FINISH the job, you know contribute to WINNING this war!!!!


24 posted on 08/08/2007 5:16:45 AM PDT by cwcsunflower (Phil 4:13)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
IMHO, this squabble is LESS about ideologies or practices, and MORE about posturing. Each one of them wants to be the HSOC (Head Socialist On Campus), so they b!tch about each other. The Democrats are a COALITION party, and for that matter, and its revenue-generating whacko-organizing "grass"-roots groups have their own agendas.

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25 posted on 08/08/2007 5:20:48 AM PDT by davidlachnicht ("IF WE'RE ALL TO BE TARGETS, THEN WE ALL MUST BE SOLDIERS.")
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“MoveOn is very conservative,” Angeline said. “When they said, ‘We should support the supplemental,’ they betrayed us.”

They probably seem that way to stone cold Communists.

26 posted on 08/08/2007 5:33:49 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something. (Fred/Newt '08))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So nice to see trouble in the anti American tent :-)


27 posted on 08/08/2007 7:10:59 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (The Islamists plan to kill us.The Democrats and the ratmedia are helping them. Ft Dix proves it!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s all Cindy’s fault


28 posted on 08/08/2007 7:53:20 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
“Ultimately, the war ends because there is this cataclysmic showdown between the Republicans who are getting pinched by the public and the White House,” predicted Tom Matzzie, Washington director for MoveOn.

What does this (bleep)head think the war is, a video game?

29 posted on 08/08/2007 10:12:03 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ( “A nation without borders is not a nation.” —Ronald Reagan)
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To: Syncro
Oh I am sure they will have a circle-burp......

LOL!!

30 posted on 08/08/2007 10:22:14 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ( “A nation without borders is not a nation.” —Ronald Reagan)
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To: kristinn; BufordP; Doctor Raoul; BillF; PleaDeal; trooprally; Tom the Redhunter; ...

ping


31 posted on 08/08/2007 10:29:12 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ( “A nation without borders is not a nation.” —Ronald Reagan)
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To: Albion Wilde

Millions spent on this ad campaign?

Gee i wonder how much is coming from Islamist who support the terrorist?


32 posted on 08/08/2007 5:13:20 PM PDT by Leto
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; LucyT; ..
accusations among some activists that MoveOn has abandoned its credentials as an issue-based advocacy group and now instead provides cover for Democratic Party leaders
...were no doubt based on identical accusations from the pajamahadeen.
33 posted on 08/08/2007 10:17:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, August 7, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When you're to the left of Moron.Org, you are on the edge of the cliff, looking into the abyss. If you are to the left of MO then you are over
34 posted on 08/09/2007 4:02:36 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Grizzled Bear

The dwarfs (Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Kennedy, Biden, etc) should be spanked hard and grounded for life. That’s what I want for Christmas.


35 posted on 08/09/2007 4:05:03 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: spinestein
"..And where the heck is my tin-foil hat???..."

Sorry- all those Libbies planning to show up in DC already bought out the world's supply!

36 posted on 08/12/2007 2:08:11 PM PDT by AirBorn
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