Paul preaches nonintervention, less government

Sioux City Journal ^ | August 8, 2007 | Bret Hayworth

[CenTexConfederate]

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LAWTON, Iowa -- Pledging a return to constitutional principles, Republican Party presidential Ron Paul contended Tuesday it is time misguided economic, foreign-policy and education moves are turned around.

So many policies or programs the federal government has enacted in recent decades don't have an origin in the Constitution, so they should be stopped, said Paul, a congressman from Texas. He cited the Federal Reserve System, federal funding for public education, federal income tax and entitlement programs such as Social Security as being outside the bounds of constitutional authority.

Paul said he wants a government with a reduced scope similar to pre-20th century growth fueled by federal income tax revenue.

[wideawake]

He cited the Federal Reserve System, federal funding for public education, federal income tax and entitlement programs such as Social Security as being outside the bounds of constitutional authority.

Again, Ron Paul proves that he knows nothing about the US Constitution.

[elizabetty]

The RNC should stop funding this clown. He is using our donations to fight against us.

While there are dozens of reasons to not consider Ron Paul for POTUS, his idiotic stance on Iraq is the only one we need.

[CenTexConfederate]

It’s obvious you don’t know what your talking about!

[wideawake]

He cited the Federal Reserve System, federal funding for public education, federal income tax and entitlement programs such as Social Security as being outside the bounds of constitutional authority.

I mean, seriously. The man has apparently never heard of The Federalist.

[samtheman]

Paul said: "If you understand why terrorists want to come here, the answer is found in a noninterventionist foreign policy. They don't go looking to bomb Switzerland; Switzerland is a free and prosperous country. They come here because we are over there, we've been in their countries for decades and we overthrow regimes, we have overthrown two recent regimes. We occupy two Arab countries. We had troops in Saudi Arabia before 9-11. Most people forget that 9-11 had nothing to do with Iraq -- they (the terrorist attackers) weren't Iraqis, they weren't Iranians, they were Saudis, 15 out of 19 were Saudis, and some from Egypt. And yet we went to war, unconstitutionally, in order to fight this argument that the al-Qaida were in Iraq. There were no al-Qaida in Iraq."

There it is in a nutshell. The reason why RP would be my last choice of Republican candidates for President. If by some twist of fate (not going to happen) he got the nomination, I would vote for him over Hillary, Obama or Edwards. But then, I'd probably vote for crack dealer or a mental defect over Hillary, Obama or Edwards, so that's not saying much.

[CenTexConfederate]

The RNC doesn’t fund Ron. He gets his money from people like me!

[showme_the_Glory]

What planet was he on on 9/11?

[hedgetrimmer]

Again, Ron Paul proves that he knows nothing about the US Constitution.

Since you're such an expert, why don't you cite the articles in the constitution that support federal income tax , entitlement programs etc.

[LibLieSlayer]

paul is as much an enemy of Freedom as is bin laden or schumer, biden, 'toon, leahy, hatch etc etc etc.

LLS

[P-40]

He gets his money from people like me!

I like to send him some every now and again also. He can be a little odd at times but he still is 'Doctor No' all the time.

[rightwingintelligentsia]

He gets his money from people like me!

And no doubt hundreds of 9/11 truthers, some MoveOn.org disruptors, and assorted anti-war fringe kooks.

[WhiteGuy]

Putting America and Americans FIRST!

[Allegra]

It’s obvious you don’t know what your (sic) talking about!

In what way? I think wideawake's post makes good sense.

[TexasAg1996]

Since you're such an expert, why don't you cite the articles in the constitution that support federal income tax

I assume you're one of the folks who thinks the 16th Amendment wasn't ratified and that there's been a conspiracy for 90 years to enforce it?

[hedgetrimmer]

The RNC should stop funding this clown the neocons. He is They are using our donations to fight against us corrupt Constitutional government and integrate the United States with foreign economies and institutions.

[ejonesie22]

It’s called the Sixteenth Amendment...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxvi.html

Next...

[SolidWood]

They don't go looking to bomb Switzerland; Switzerland is a free and prosperous country.

That's because Tyrants and terrorists from Saddam to Bin Laden have their accounts there. This doesn't stop Muslims in Switzerland from arsoning Synagogues.

Switzerland BTW isn't a world power and has no strategic interests around the world. If Paul thinks Switzerland can be compared to the USA he should move there and run there for office.

We occupy two Arab countries.

Afghanistan is not Arab, Dr Paul. Back to school.

went to war, unconstitutionally

Wrong.

in order to fight this argument that the al-Qaida were in Iraq.

...and WMDs and Saddam breaking the ceasefire.

There were no al-Qaida in Iraq.

Wrong. Paul is either ignorant or a liar. I suspect both.

[CenTexConfederate]

Please read some history about the 1930s. How FDR tried to stack the supreme court because it kept finding his programs unconstitutional. Where does it say anything about the Federal Government creating these huge income transfere programs like Social Security.

[hedgetrimmer]

So you can’t tell us either?

[ejonesie22]

Damn, beat me...

What a bunch of clowns, huh...

[hedgetrimmer]

The 16th amendment authorizes federal education, entitlements etc? Show us.

[TexasAg1996]

So you can’t tell us either?

Two people, myself included, have just identified the 16th Amendment. Please now explain how that isn't "part of the Constitution" or how it doesn't allow income taxes.

[Hack]

Yet Rep. Paul obtains millions of dollars in earmarks for profitable businesses in his own district.

[ejonesie22]

16th AMENDMENT!

Damn...

[TonyInOhio]

CTC, here's the thing. Ron Paul has no chance of winning the GOP nomination; he can't even win support from a majority of the members of Free Republic, arguably the most conservative activist site on the Web.

So, why do we keep arguing over a candidate that has no chance to win? Or, do you really believe that Paul can win the nomination and then the general election?

[hedgetrimmer]

You must favor global socialist government by your support for an ever expanding federal government.

[ejonesie22]

You post states:

Since you're such an expert, why don't you cite the articles in the constitution that support federal income tax, etc..

Since you started this crap with that as your first question, well the rest is...

[hedgetrimmer]

Clearly you cannot substantiate anything you are saying.

[CenTexConfederate]

There were no WMDs in Iraq. They were never a threat to the United States. Saddam was a secular fascist. In the 1980s during the Reagan Administration, he was an ally of ours. The Iraqi Ambassador in DC was a regular on the old CNN show, Crossfire with Pat Buchanan, Robert Novak, and Tom Braden. This war was cooked up by Utopian dreamers prommising us a cakewalk. Our men and women would be greeted by crowds chanting USA USA and throwing flowers.

[samtheman]

All your points are excellent but I'd like to repeat this one:

Switzerland BTW isn't a world power and has no strategic interests around the world. If Paul thinks Switzerland can be compared to the USA he should move there and run there for office.

I thought about that too, while I was reading this article. Thanks for mentioning it. (It's pretty darn obvious, if you're not an RP cult member.)

[TexasAg1996]

You must favor global socialist government by your support for an ever expanding federal government.

He he. Can't you even be consistent for 3 posts? You asked what Constitutional authority there was for income taxes. We said the 16th Amendment. Somehow, you then equated that with a belief in a "global socialist government."

Nice straw man. Can I do it now? By not supporting the 16th Amendment, you clearly wish to suppress all religious freedom in the U.S. since you don't support Amendments to the Constitution. See, I can play the "random response to a clear answer" game, too.

[ejonesie22]

Wow man, you are a hoot...

I give you the answer, a link to support it and you still argue...

And you wonder why we have so much fun with you guys...

Damn, just damn ...

[trisham]

CTC, here's the thing. Ron Paul has no chance of winning the GOP nomination; he can't even win support from a majority of the members of Free Republic, arguably the most conservative activist site on the Web.

So, why do we keep arguing over a candidate that has no chance to win? Or, do you really believe that Paul can win the nomination and then the general election?

***************

Good question. Once Fred declares his candidacy, most of this nonsense will (hopefully) go away.

[samtheman]

thanks for showing up on all these RP sites

your posts are appreciated (at least by me)

[samtheman]

I meant: RP threads (not sites)

[ejonesie22]

I hope not, I am saving a sh*t load of cash on entertainment expenses with these RP threads...

[CenTexConfederate]

You’ll be on Social Security by the time old Fred declares :>)

[wideawake]

(1) Article I Sec. 9 authorizes Congress to lay and collect taxes.

The 16th amendment specifically included taxes on income as part of that authorization. Moreover, a perusal of The Federalist shows that the Founders contemplated taxes on income as a legitimate - but at the time impracticable - means of collecting federal revenue. Section 9 also authorizes Congress to make all laws necessary and proper for the execution of their powers under the Section.

Such laws as the law creating an Internal Revenue Service and placing it under the direction of the Treasury.

(2) Art I Section 9 also authorizes Congress to borrow on the credit of the United States and to regulate the value of money. The same section also authorizes Congress to make laws necessary and proper for the execution of these powers, including the creation of the federal Reserve System and placing it under the direction of the Treasury.

(3) Article I Section 9 also authorize Congress to lay and collect taxes for the general welfare of the United States. The same section also authorizes Congress to make laws necessary and proper for the execution of these powers - such as the Social Security Act, funding for public education, etc.

[trisham]

LOL!

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

I don't know about entitlement programs, BUT...

Amendment XVI of the U.S. Constitution

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.

[hedgetrimmer]

You haven’t done anything.

If you are such a constitutional scholar, explain it. Your links are not an argument.

[trisham]

:)We all had better hope he declares, considering the viable alternatives.

[ejonesie22]

Like I said it helps with my bottom line. I was going to spend some bucks to see the new comics tour down on the coast, but who needs that when RP is in the race...

I will be candid, I respect Paul's dedication to our nation and his service. I think he is wrong in many areas right now. But his supporters, man I love these guys.

Post a direct link that refutes one of their statements and they still argue...

[wideawake]

It’s obvious you don’t know what your talking about!

Oh, I know exactly what I'm talking about. Ron Paul is the one who needs to explain the Constitutional argument for his preposterous thesis that Congress does not have the Constitutional authority to create a Federal reserve Banking System, among his other lunatic claims.

[lormand]

[CenTexConfederate]

The "General Welfare" Clause. What Does It Really Mean?

[TexasAg1996]

If you are such a constitutional scholar, explain it. Your links are not an argument.

Dude, the 16th Amendment is one sentence long, and it's in post 41.

[CenTexConfederate]

You really do sound like an activist liberal.

[ejonesie22]

My links are the damn constitution, in English, or fancy American lawyer talk, if you prefer...

I tried to answer you in a serious manor, but...

For you own good, quit making your own whiskey, you could go blind...