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Posted on 08/08/2007 12:57:30 PM PDT by bnelson44
Update: According to video top right here, the Feds have moved to put a hold on the SC suspects as regards their immigration status, which means even if they do make bond they would be transferred to Federal Prison instead of being released. Also, even if cleared of any current charges, they could be deported depending on the outcome of that process. Also court documents specifically state "several pipe bombs" were in the trunk of their vehicle.
While the FBI has now seized home computers and Wal-Mart security tape in the investigation into Yousseff Samir Megahed and Ahmed Abda Mohamed h/t Rusty, it seems one as yet unidentified roommate left the country on Monday, after the investigation had begun. It's unclear if the FBI has been able to identify the individual, or if they even want to talk to him in the case. I suspect they may, as he seems pivotal given this latest report.
Ishtay, who rents a Temple Terrace house and works at Boston Market, said he met Mohamed and Megahed through a roommate. He said he didn't know the roommate's last name, but he was from Mauritania.
Another of Ishtay's roommates, Ghassan Salhab, 27, said the man from Mauritania moved here from Canada recently and returned there Monday.
Meanwhile, another spokesperson has emerged for the boys. M. Nachabe, who would appear to be Mahmood Nachabe. In perhaps an unfortunate coincidence, Nachabe has the distinction of being listed in the same Engineering College Faculty catalog as the now infamous Sami al-Arian.
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"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
Boys?
“Mohamed and Megahed through a roommate. He said he didn’t know the roommate’s last name”
OK show of hands here - how many people that had roommates in their lifetimes did not know there name?
They'll talk!
>>Boys?<<
I thought exactly the same thing!!!!!!!!
I don’t much care about what happened before 9/11/2001.
But who is letting these types keep on coming in? That seems to be Bush and State under Dr. Rice.
They believe if we educate the young people from muslim lands, they will turn out to be peaceful, democracy supporters. Go back home, change Egypt and Saudi from within.
But we see they stay here, and plot and plan and act to kill us.
So I think Bush and Dr. Rice live in make believe land.
Of the "Good Ol'" variety, if you ask CAIR...
I think Bush and Dr. Rice live in make believe land.
I’ve been describing it as LaLa Land.
Its not just Rice and Bush....the whole country is suffering
from a “self-destructive’syndrome. We are slowly committing
National Suicide and no one seems to give a damn.
Give me another George S. Patton, a real leader who’’ll kick some ass. Meanwhile, we dither.
There was no excuse before 9/11 either. Just because the MSM kept the majority of the public in the dark is no excuse for government officials who had access to detailed intelligence. Those of us who were paying even casual attention knew there was a problem.
Pipe-bomds...my @rse.....more like IED shaped charges ...or even shaped charges for uranium detonation.
If they’re cleared? Isn’t there some kind of law against pipe bombs?
New info on the SC arrest.
I wouldn’t know. I haven’t read enough about it. I think I did see that mentioned somewhere. Do you know this to be a fact, or are you just saying what you believe to be likely/obvious?
The Immigration hold may well be due only to the fact that the students appear to have violated their visa by not taking enough classes. It does, however, allow LEOs to do a more thorough check on them.
“Give me another George S. Patton, a real leader who’’ll kick some ass”
DH08
What I don’t understand was the urgency in destroying the evidence by the local police. I’m sure they took plenty of photos, though... I hope.
What does that mean? I am not following you there.
After the doctors suicide attempt in Glagow and with our borders still wide open seems logical to attampt to assemble such a device.....there was also a comment from a Border Patrol that a couple of times his radiation monitor indicated but no follow up.
Mysterious roommates who suddenly skip the country and whose last name you don't know...naw, move along. Nothing to see here...
PBS had a film on the WWII urnanium project...covered it well...the trick is to bring 2 (or more) subcritical lumps together rapidly....done with a shaped charge on two hemispheres of uranium.
Thanks to both of you for the pings on this. I have been at my Mom’s for two days (no internet access) and missed everything on this, so was so happy to get your pings today. Trying to catch up on email, pings, and watering my many flowers, veggies in garden.
Keep cool Grammy, it’s hot here.
I had a gut feeling there was more to this story, and was screaming at Mom’s TV yesterday about it. Why hasn’t ANY reporter asked this question: How far away is the route near the naval base these guys took from a practical one to get to their “supposed” destination? Don’t know much about that area but that should be asked.
What was described in the newspapers and what Freepers seem to have determined was that they had something that would not have been lethal in itself but was possibly a smoke bomb designed to create a distraction. It is possible that it was a triggering device for something else, but if the press reports were correct, their device was not extremely powerful. I have no idea what is necessary for uranium detonation and I know nothing about explosives in general, btw, and I am just summarizing what more knowledgeable people here have said.
They were caught fleeing from a military facility (which is why they were speeding - they obviously didn’t realize the entry would be guarded and they turned around and fled when they realized they’d been spotted).
I know the area slightly and it’s very wooded and secluded. There was no way they were there by accident.
I think these dumb jihadi bums - who had obviously been told to smile and look “cute” (difficult if you look like a Neanderthal, as they do) in their mugshots - really thought they were going to be able to take out an entrance to a secure facility and release some high profile Muslim prisoner being held there. I don’t know who that would be, but they probably do.
I suspect there were probably other people working with them, or at any rate, they thought there would be other people out there in the woods, and perhaps these people had already been caught or had simply never showed up. I don’t know, but whatever it is they were up to, I hope we deport them yesterday.
Deporting is better than trying them, because it gives the press less of a chance to get into action and defend them as poor, misunderstood “youths” simply engaging in the colorful native customs of their people...
It’s not totally clear that the guy was referring to his OWN roommate, rather that to a roommate of Mohamed’s. But to play devil’s advocate, college student living arrangements are often a bit chaotic, with people crashing here and there on a short term basis, and some overlap around beginning and end of summer and winter break, as residents of a house are arriving/leaving. I clearly recall a portion of a summer where I rented a room in a house where several students lived and each dealt directly with the landlord. I don’t think I knew the FIRST names of any of the other students in the house, much less their last names.
In addition, I’ve been renting rooms in my home to college students (of a rather different sort than M & M) and I had a lovely, very responsible young lady there last year who didn’t quite have the first name of the other young lady right, and I seriously doubt she knew her last name. Young lady number one was very busy, econ major, physics minor, working a lot of hours at a campus job, spent most weekends at her boyfriend’s apartment and all vacations with relatives a few hours away. Couldn’t have asked for a better renter, but hanging out with roommates wasn’t what her life was about — she was pretty serious about her goals in life, which may have been driven partly by the fact that her family’s home in New Orleans was destroyed in Katrina.
All that said, I don’t recall a single college roommate I had whose name I would have “remembered” when asked by a journalist covering a high profile investigation into something I didn’t have any reason to think the roommate was involved in. I just didn’t hate any of my roommates that much :-)
Unfortunately for us, Bush and Rice aren’t the only ones living in make believe land.
Sounds like they were lost, and turned around quick when they found themselves aiming into a military facility. But IF they are actually jihadists of some sort, I wouldn’t want them deported because they could then continue their jihading activities. I think they’re probably just stupid kids, but even if they are, they did break the law, and they are foreign nationals from Arab countries, so they should be tried.
They were not fleeing a military facility. Nor is the area they were stopped in heavily wooded. I am extremely familiar with the area. A huge shopping area and numerous housing developments are in the area. 176 is heavily traveled. It is a link from the upstate to 126 and I526 and 17 South and North.
There was a road block set up earlier in the day. How do I know? Well, because we went through it on the way to my cousin’s house at Old Mt Holly Road. They set these things up everywhere to check licenses and insurance, etc.
Megahed is a permanent legal resident and doesn’t need to be taking any classes at all to maintain his status. Mohamed is carrying a normal full time load for the summer (6 credits = two full length courses, each crammed into one of a pair of short summer sessions — 5-6 weeks each at most schools). Very few grad students would be carrying more than that.
They were not anywhere near the entrance to the Wpnsta.
Congressman Billybob
I don’t favor deportation for terrorists. If an American did this, it would be treason, even if our officials refuse to acknowledge it. And to release an enemy during war, so they can strike again, seems counterproductive.
Okay, I’m not familiar with the area. Just going by what another poster said. I think the speculation here is getting ridiculous. Authorities say they had pipe bombs that sounded like a firecracker when detonated, and now we’ve got FReepers suggesting they were planning to “take out” the entrance to a secure facility to get somebody out, and suggesting the pipe bombs were “shape charges” to be used to detonate uranium!
I thought they were on one of the smaller roads leading off the main road? I got lost there once and did end up at a heavily guarded military facility out in the woods. Of course it was daylight and we were legitimately looking for a rural property address. It was pretty freaky, but we just waved, turned around and drove away.
Interesting that the police had a roadblock set up. The first reports mentioned that they had been apprehended in the course of an “investigation in another jurisdiction.” Later reports said they were speeding (which CAIR seems to believe) and were arrested on a road leading away from one of the military bases or other facilities around there.
I guess we’ll probably never know - I don’t care, personally, but I do think that we should at least be informed enough to keep us on our toes and vigilant.
The Muslims are definitely trying to stage another attack, but so far, they seem to have been too dumb or amateurish to carry it off. AQ announced about a year ago (after several cells were broken up) that it was going to a freelance jihadi model, but fortunately it sounds as if this was a mistake.
“OK show of hands here - how many people that had roommates in their lifetimes did not know there name?”
I had a girl friend of several years, that lived with me in both California and Texas, I never learned her last name, so now I can’t look her up again.
Allah, is that a pipe bomb in your turban, or are you just happy to see me?
“So I think Bush and Dr. Rice live in make believe land.”
So do I!
I’d want them deported immediately because (a) they would be tried, sentenced and ultimately deported anyway (but at much greater expense) and (b) they’ll get back in any case, probably through Canada, but we will have paid much more to get rid of them if we try them than if we simply deport them. Plus, there’s always the possibility that some idiot judge will decide they’re just poor, innocent little sweeties being picked upon by the EEEVIL BUSH and CHENEY, and release them right back to Tampa.
I wondered that as well. Where they were is off the beaten track to get them to NC beaches? And I wonder if they had reservations somewhere in NC?
Sami al-Arian connection. Surprise, surprise.
We release them anyway. I was at a trial where the Pakistani defendant got 10 years for money laundering (he had turned state’s evidence and got a plea bargain), followed by deportation. The standard practice is to have them serve a sentence and then deport them.
Unless you can be sure they’ll get a really, really long sentence, I think it’s better to just get them out of the country, since it’s getting harder and harder to get a conviction or really punish them in any way.
Yeah, unfortunately we sometimes must compromise. If I had my druthers, we’d exterminate the bug and be done with it.
You’re welcome.
Similarities here to the OU bombing case. There was a roommate in that one, too, who hadn’t YET bugged out, but was on his way with a 1-way ticket to a ME country. But of course, that one “wasn’t terrorism” either, according to authorities.
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