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No reward for Poland's strong support of U.S. policies
The Warsaw Voice ^ | August 6, 2007

Posted on 08/08/2007 1:54:40 PM PDT by lizol

No reward for Poland's strong support of U.S. policies

Warsaw, Poland August 6, 2007

U.S. President George W. Bush signed an anti-terrorism bill into law on Friday. Among other provisions, the law allows visa-less entries into the U.S. for citizens of certain countries, but not for Polish citizens.

The issue is a touchy one in Poland because successive Polish Governments and Presidents have lobbied the U.S. to eliminate visa restrictions on Poles, thus far with no success. In the current bill, Czech citizens will have visa requirements lifted.

Poland has been a strong ally of U.S. war efforts in both Afghanistan and Iraq and the Bush Administration has repeatedly said that it is pushing Congress to lift visa requirements. Apparently, Congress has not been convinced.

The anti-missile defense shield that the U.S. is planning to place a part of in Poland has not been formally approved yet by the Polish Government. It will be interesting to see if negotiations continue to move along as positively as they have up until this point.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: allies; allypoland; poland

1 posted on 08/08/2007 1:54:44 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

Shame, Poland has been a good ally.


2 posted on 08/08/2007 1:55:39 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: lizol
I don't understand this. Poland has been a vocal and strong pro-American voice in Eastern Europe. What's with the cold shoulder?

We should be lavishing them with favors to demonstrate that it's a Good Idea to support the USA.

3 posted on 08/08/2007 1:56:59 PM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: lizol

Bush gets stupider and stupider as his presidency draws to a close.

He continues to do one thing right: fight the war in Iraq.

On almost all other issues, he comes down on the wrong side.

What a blinkered, blundering fool.


4 posted on 08/08/2007 2:00:13 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: TChris
Outrageous. El President only respects Fatah (and thus,Hamas) and Mexico.

Poland is the new Europe -- America's ally.

5 posted on 08/08/2007 2:03:11 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: lizol

Bend over backwards for those who hate us and Sh#t on our friends. Typical Washington stupidity.


6 posted on 08/08/2007 2:03:41 PM PDT by snowman1
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To: lizol

I see all the good Journalistic values of Who, When, What, Where, etc., in this article, but missing is “WHY”.


7 posted on 08/08/2007 2:04:53 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: samtheman
Bush gets stupider and stupider as his presidency draws to a close.

I am beginning to think that Bush's popularity poll number and his IQ are the same. I voted for the guy TWICE, so what does that say about my own IQ? Duh!

8 posted on 08/08/2007 2:08:52 PM PDT by vox humana
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To: lizol
I have never understood this.
It is the same problem for Slovaks. They go through humiliation and hell to get a simple tourist visa, and they no more want to stay in the US then in Afghanistan.
Frankly, neither would I.

In 2005, I stood in the snow to listen to Bush proclaim
that the visa restrictions would be lifted, but to my knowledge there has been no change.

9 posted on 08/08/2007 2:09:37 PM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia. Happy not to be back in the USA for now.)
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To: lizol

Well, it’s understandable. First, we have to let in all the muzzies with Western European citizenships, without requiring visas, and then we can think of our Eastern European allies. First things first.


10 posted on 08/08/2007 2:12:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: lonevoice

I don’t understand this at all.


11 posted on 08/08/2007 2:28:18 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: samtheman

Right you are. You have to treat the US like crap to get a favor from Bush.


12 posted on 08/08/2007 2:31:22 PM PDT by GunsareOK
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To: Pride in the USA
I think I kinda do understand it. Below is copied from the article. In spite of knee jerk Bush-bashers, the article clearly states that the Bush administration has pushed Congress to treat Poland like the fantastic ally they are, and lift the visa requirements. It's Congress that is mistreating the Poles. My guess is that the majority Congress hates Poland, precisely because Poland is a staunchly pro-American ally. Can't have that, you know.

Poland has been a strong ally of U.S. war efforts in both Afghanistan and Iraq and the Bush Administration has repeatedly said that it is pushing Congress to lift visa requirements. Apparently, Congress has not been convinced.

13 posted on 08/08/2007 2:45:31 PM PDT by lonevoice (It's always "Apologize to a Muslim Hour"...somewhere)
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FRmail me to be added or removed from this Eastern European ping list

14 posted on 08/08/2007 2:59:38 PM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lonevoice

Perhaps President Bush ought to issue an Executive Order to lift visa requirements for Poland. It appears like the Bush Administration is ignoring the mistreatment of the Poles.


15 posted on 08/08/2007 3:25:46 PM PDT by olezip
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To: lizol

I don’t understand this. Poland was instrumental in helping us overturn Communisma nd has always been a staunch ally of ours. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.


16 posted on 08/08/2007 3:58:00 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: lonevoice

How dare you inject reason into my angst?


17 posted on 08/08/2007 4:03:15 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: lizol
I have a question: does anyone know if the other 3 central European countries--the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia--have similar restrictions? I know that the Czechs also needed visas to get into the U.S. in the early 90's.

When I was stationed in Nurnberg in the early 90's I was engaged to a girl from the Czech Republic. She had a brother who lived in Atlanta. She had difficulties obtaining a visa even though she had a U.S. GI as her fiancee and a blood relative in the U.S. already (We broke up, but I drove her to the consulate in Munich, lied to the functionary that she was still my fiancee, and she got her visa. It was a parting gift).

Sadly, I'm afraid the Central Europeans have been assigned to the "Euro-zone" sphere of influence. Germany and France need their own Mexico, don't you know? Wish it weren't that way, but it appears to be so. There are larger political forces at work in this than just Polish-American cooperation. Our President and Congressmen are mostly globalist and won't rock the globalist boat. Poles, Czechs, et al, are the "cheap labor" of the European Union. The Euro elites want their cheap labor. Our elites won't go counter to the Euro elites without a very important reason.

And as far as the U.S. is concerned, letting in numerous Central and Eastern Europeans who would be willing to adapt to U.S. society, learn English, provide valuable skills, etc, would run counter to the 1965 immigration act. The goal of that act was to make the U.S. less European and more like a third world country.

Although this is wildly unfair to Poles (and I suspect Czech, Hungarians, and Slovaks), look on the bright side, lizol: if thousands of Poles came to the U.S., who would be left to re-evangelize Europe? Maybe that's your collective, providential task at this time. Besides, we Ami's still pretty much believe in God, whereas the west-Euros are much farther along the road of secularization. You Poles will have to "re-civilize" those barbaric atheist Germans and Frenchmen (heh, heh...).

18 posted on 08/08/2007 4:12:41 PM PDT by ishmac
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To: lizol
The main reason for this is the large number of Polish illegal aliens who overstayed their visas. If we don't carefully screen who we do or don't let visit, more will do the same.

Of course, if we had an effective employment eligibility verification system, it would be unnecessary. But we don't, so given the magnitude of our illegal alien problem, as much as it pains me to say it, I don't see any alternative to the current policy.

19 posted on 08/08/2007 4:12:41 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: TChris
I wonder if it has to do with fears of russian spying? More likely it is Poland's stance on gay issues and abortion. Sadly it is true that no good deed goes unpunished.
20 posted on 08/09/2007 10:37:04 AM PDT by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: lonevoice

To the left, Poland is the new “Apartheid-era South Africa,” because of their deep religious values, and that they don’t kowtow to the radical gay agenda.


21 posted on 08/09/2007 10:39:22 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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