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Archaeologists discover 8-million-year-old forest in Hungary
BreitBart ^ | August 6, 2007 | Staff

Posted on 08/08/2007 3:09:13 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

Archaeologists have found an eight-million-year old forest of cypresses, well preserved and not fossilised, in Bukkabrany in north eastern Hungary.

"The discovery is exceptional as the trees kept their wooden structure, they neither turned into coal nor were petrified," Tamas Pusztai, the deputy director and head of the archaeological department at the local Otto Herman museum who oversaw the excavation, told AFP.

Archaelogists announced the find last week after uncovering the mysterious forest of taxodiums, a kind of swamp cypress, after a few days of digging.

Miners working in a brown coal mine had first uncovered several tree trunks that had been turned into coal, a common occurrence in this kind of environment.

"But further down, we found 16 trees that had remained where they had grown some eight million years ago and that are very well preserved," Pusztai said.

Catching a glimpse of these ancient tree trunks, which look like they belong on the set of a science-fiction film, requires descending about 60 metres (200 feet) into a 3,500-square-metre (37,670-square-foot) large open mine.

All that is left of the trees is their trunks, two to three metres in diametre and six metres in height, although the original taxodiums must have reached to between 30 to 40 metres.

"The trunks were preserved in their original form and material," said Miklos Kazmer, the director of the paleontology department at the Loran Eotvos Natural Science University in Budapest. During the Miocene period, which began over 10 million years ago, the region was covered by a giant lake with muddy and marshy shores, Lake Pannon, he added.

"The exceptional state of preservation of the trees is due to a sudden sandstorm which covered the forest (with sand) up to a height of six metres," Kazmer said.

All that was above perished but "the part that was buried under the sand remained beautifully intact," he added.

The eight-million-year old tree trunks still feel like wood to the touch, as an AFP journalist was able to attest for himself.

Although 60 metres underground, the trunks cannot be moved as they "crumble" when exposed to air and sunlight, which are especially harmful given the wood's age, the site's chief archaeologist Janos Veres said.

As a result, strict security measures have been put in place: access to the mine has been limited to journalists and archaelogists, and forbidden to locals from nearby villages, intrigued by images shown on Hungarian television of the "lunar landscape" in their backyard.

The site is to close again soon and the archaelogists have started taking measures to preserve the trees.

Veres said the taxodiums were drying up before his eyes as the trunks "have lost their cellulose, which worked as a glue for the trees' cell membranes."

Since the trunks are made of organic material, it is possible to conduct dendrochronology tests, which study tree rings to determine climatic changes during a tree's life, a visibly enthusiastic Veres said.

The trees were probably 300 to 400 years old when they died "but since the trees did not (all) sprout on the same day, it is possible to study a period spreading over 1,000 to 1,500 years," he added.

A similar forest was already found in Japan, where archaelogists preserved it in a cement sarcophagus.

For the Bukkabrany site, between 40 and 50 million forint (160,000-200,000 euros, 220,000-270,000 dollars) would be needed to preserve the taxodiums, scientists said.


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The original title said "Archaelogists"! [Sic(k)]!
1 posted on 08/08/2007 3:09:17 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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How can a forest survive 8 million years intact? They say the wood crumbles when exposed to sunlight, but anyone with a wood pile in their back yard can tell you that will happen in a scant few years. This sounds like another one of those darn "living fossils."
2 posted on 08/08/2007 3:10:54 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Being normal is not neccessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage.")
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3 posted on 08/08/2007 3:11:46 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("Being normal is not neccessarily a virtue. It rather denotes a lack of courage.")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
How can a forest survive 8 million years intact? They say the wood crumbles when exposed to sunlight, but anyone with a wood pile in their back yard can tell you that will happen in a scant few years. This sounds like another one of those darn "living fossils."

"The exceptional state of preservation of the trees is due to a sudden sandstorm which covered the forest (with sand) up to a height of six metres," Kazmer said. All that was above perished but "the part that was buried under the sand remained beautifully intact," he added.

4 posted on 08/08/2007 3:13:37 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Since the trunks are made of organic material, it is possible to conduct dendrochronology tests, which study tree rings to determine climatic changes during a tree's life, a visibly enthusiastic Veres said.

Makes me want to "put another log on the fire", however I can't afford the carbon credits it would cost me to do it. ; )

5 posted on 08/08/2007 3:17:22 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: lesser_satan

Works for mummies and beef jerky; no reason trees would be different.


6 posted on 08/08/2007 3:17:23 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Amazing. Giant sandstorms in Hungary that long ago. Times have changed, haven’t they? I hope we can see some pictures of these trees.


7 posted on 08/08/2007 3:18:50 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Why 8 million, why not 80 million - I mean as long as they are playing “Once upon a time” why not more? It’s like the number of uninsured who can’t get health insurance or deaths due to global warming or women dying from back alley abortions just pick a number - the higher the better chance of getting funded!


8 posted on 08/08/2007 3:20:39 PM PDT by DaveyB (Ignorance is part of the human condition - atheism makes it permanent!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
A similar forest was already found in Japan, where archaelogists preserved it in a cement sarcophagus.

Why?/snicker

I thought worship of inanimate objects went out with the Pharaohs.

9 posted on 08/08/2007 3:21:07 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The site is to close again soon and the archaelogists have started taking measures to preserve the trees.

What the hell are archaelogists doing with the preservation? Where are the paleontologists?
10 posted on 08/08/2007 3:23:20 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The site is to close again soon and the archaelogists have started taking measures to preserve the trees.

Now just wait a minute.....

Didn't they do just fine on their own? LOL!

11 posted on 08/08/2007 3:23:20 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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Pic from this link http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/070731-fossilized-trees.html.
12 posted on 08/08/2007 3:25:02 PM PDT by kinoxi
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To: DaveLoneRanger; trussell
For the Bukkabrany site, between 40 and 50 million forint (160,000-200,000 euros, 220,000-270,000 dollars) would be needed to preserve the taxodiums, scientists said.

Now we get to the crux of the matter.

13 posted on 08/08/2007 3:25:18 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SueRae
Ask and ye shall receive:

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14 posted on 08/08/2007 3:25:34 PM PDT by lesser_satan (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; SunkenCiv
Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
15 posted on 08/08/2007 3:27:04 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: lesser_satan

dang it, ya beat me to it!


16 posted on 08/08/2007 3:27:48 PM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: SueRae
I hope we can see some pictures of these trees.

Ohhhh, awwww is all I can say for I am speechless via impression.

17 posted on 08/08/2007 3:30:26 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
How can a forest survive 8 million years intact? They say the wood crumbles when exposed to sunlight, but anyone with a wood pile in their back yard can tell you that will happen in a scant few years. This sounds like another one of those darn "living fossils."

organisms that rot wood need water and oxygen. Remove one or the other and wood will not rot. that is why wool piles have held up city buildings for centuries because they are under water blocking oxygen.

18 posted on 08/08/2007 3:32:18 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The only good Mullah is a dead Mullah. The only good Mosque is the one that used to be there.)
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To: DaveyB
It’s like the number of uninsured who can’t get health insurance or deaths due to global warming or women dying from back alley abortions just pick a number - the higher the better chance of getting funded!

When it comes to hard earned labor transference higher numbers ALWAYS generate a greater cash flow.

Even if the numbers aren't there, the perception of importance must be maintained to keep the cash flow. ; )

19 posted on 08/08/2007 3:44:25 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: dynachrome

To all of you who responded, thank you!!! Isn’t that incredible? Anyone curious as to what climate/weather will be revealed by those tree rings? :-)


20 posted on 08/08/2007 3:46:51 PM PDT by SueRae
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