Posted on 08/09/2007 10:49:28 PM PDT by xzins
I was on vacation near Asheville NC when I saw this headline about Hensley grieving mother in the Asheville paper. We can’t post the Asheville Citizen Times on Free Republic, so I found the information elsewhere.
I’m not familiar with the Iskandariyah charges against Hensley & Sandoval.
Anyone know anything?
Eisenhower had a very good grasp on the connection between the military and politics ... I think we're seeing a simular phenomenom.
I honestly didn’t hear of this one
When they get his friends to take plea bargains, that is all that will matter, he will be convicted regardless of the evidence
I am sick of this dragging our troops before tribunals based on the accusations of Muslims. There is something terrible about offering the so-called bereaved money when they have a family member killed. There is something terrible about receiving accusations but refusing to insist on forensic evidence.
I suppose they believe our soldiers keep AK47’s that they can just pull them out when they need them???
If these troops DID put AKs with bodies, wouldn’t they be saying that these AKs were found at the site of the firefight??? What is so wrong with that?
Can’t they simply explain that fact and be told to drive on with their mission?
Should have pinged you to the article, CB, this is Shuler’s District. Someone should note whether he tries to help this soldier or just gives his family the old razzle-dazzle.
Should have pinged you to the article, CB, this is Shuler’s District. Someone should note whether he tries to help this soldier or just gives his family the old razzle-dazzle. (The Citizen-Times says Shuler knows about this.)
I don't have much to jeapordize by things I say, and I'll wager other men are in the same position.
We may not understand how or why younger people come to the conclusions they do, or why they do what they do.
It's easy for me to sit here and feel the angst about a matter ... because I jeapordize no one .. not even myself.
A younger man is looking into a future that, at best, reveals only that he is (will be) alive.
All his plans and dreams vaporize when he is accused of something that invalidates all the decisions he's made to date.
We whom dare, must expose the socialists and confront them at every turn ... hoping that we might validate our own existence ... that of the framer's posterity.
As your home page reveals ... some things are of prayer only.
This is the uncle of Sgt. Evan Vela. He has told the family he was
ordered to fire by a superior officer and followed that order. The person
in question was identified as a person on an Al Queada list.
Vela has been offered a plea agreement. WE are pissed. The military
says he has been trained to distinguish an “illegal” order from a “legal”
order and didn’t have to follow that order. More B.S. My brother has
been in contact with Senator Mike Crapo’s office, who say they can’t help.
The military has more or less decided his fate. If this person was the
enemy, then why the charges? What did The President send those people over
there for? Who cares if this bastard was executed? Do you think the
families of all the Americans, from the Revolutionary War to the
present, who have died to make and keep this the best place on the
planet to live, really care?
These people hide behind
womens skirts, slaughter us, slaughter their own, and then cry foul. If we are now so seemingly
willing to eat our young, then it is past time to wave the white flag, and
bring everyone home. If we are going to turn on our own, then we need to
stand and cheer every time another American dies.
It is good to hear from you. I’m glad you signed up for Free Republic today. Welcome.
I have read your comments, and it sounds like they were in a combat or insurgent environment and were doing their job....catching or killing terrorists.
Is there a newspaper article anyplace that covers what supposedly happened at Iskandiriyah with Hensley, Sandoval, and Vela?
This whole thing sounds fishy to me.
Where do soldiers GET AK7’s in the first place? They get them from the enemies they’ve just shot. My comment on that is: “What’s wrong with that?”
I know that our troops were FORBIDDEN to have contraband weapons they had taken from the enemy, so it’s not like our guys have such things stashed in their bunks and vehicles. It simply doesn’t happen that way.
Those AK’s were on the battlefield that day. AK’s are the weapons of the enemy. What were they doing there?
Also, Uncle, do you know if there was a firefight that day?
I pray that he is exonerated. Something stinks about this whole episode.
My nephew has told the family his mission has been part of what I call a Hunter/Killer squad. They are given files on people and then sent out to find these people, whether on patrols or in a sniper scenario, where they wait, sometimes for days. When the target is identified, the target is eliminated. SOP is two shots to the head. If they are planting weapons then I believe it is sanctioned. But like in Mission Impossible, if any of your team is caught, then the government will disavow any knowledge or culpability. And you are fed to the wolves. Evan’s plea offer is 17 years in Leavenworth. The alternative is life. In the military, life is life, whereas,in Idaho, you can be eligible for parole in 25. His JAG attorney, a career man, I’m sure, has been told the best bet is to take the deal. The Judge is the C.O. of the 101 first and said to be a hanging judge. The JAG atty. indicated the military wants it over and capped. My brother has told JAG to slow this down, they want it over by Aug. 31. But we want more information. And we cannot afford private council, which will be the only way hard questions are asked. Hoping, Praying for a better outcome.The people/person giving these orders have (effectively) killed 6 people, 3 of theirs, 3 of our own.
The uncle says in #14 below that they are snipers.
They are light infantry, so that type of mission is possible. It would not necessarily, then, be in the context of a firefight.
My name is Clayton Carnahan. I am Evan Vela’s uncle. I will be speaking with the Idaho State Attorney General’s office On Monday 8/13/2007, in reference to starting a defense fund and then start asking for contributions. I am searching for any people or organizations who can help in this endeavor. I live in Shelley, Idaho. I will be coordinating these efforts with another of Evan’s uncles, David Vela. Further info to follow when we have the proper paperwork filed and a website up and running.
It appears that the fights in question occurred between April and June....that's the nearest I can tell from the news articles I have seen.
What we don't have is a description of those battles at that time. I haven't found a single article on the subject.
What we need is some description of what was going one:
1. We need it from the perspective of each of the young troops involved.
2. We need it from the perspective of other unit members.
3. We need anything written by any investigators, reporters, or witnesses.
Even without all these things, I will automatically side with our troops, because (1)they are in the middle of a war and deserve the benefit of any doubt; and (2) our system says they are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty.
The one bit of info that we do have that troubles me is that they are accused of planting AK47's on the bodies. As everyone knows, our troops don't have AK's; they aren't allowed to "save" AK's, but have to turn them in; and AKs aren't just lying around everywhere, easy to pick up anytime on wants one.
In short, they got those AKs during a battle/fight, and it makes most sense that they got them during that particular battle/fight. Did anyone even bother to check if they'd been fired?
Has anyone read the article on the soldiers who were sent to raid an island and to “kill any man of military age there” which they did while trying to take three men prisoner. They say the three offered resistance and felt under their ROE that their action was justified. Or the article where NCO’s are telling troops to watch news feeds to learn what not to do in Iraq. Aren’t our soldiers trained to rely on the command structure? Under the duress of any field operation, surely any soldiers reliance is in the command structure. If that structure is a house of cards, any little breeze causes it to fall...
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